Why is Cannabis still illegal?
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e30m3Mark said:
Yet the top 5 weeds sold in Amsterdam are White Widow, Super Silver Haze, Amnesia Haze, OG Kush and Girl Scout Cookies, all of which are listed as being strong to very strong, with White Widow being one of the strongest available.
If legalised / legislated for, there may well be a number of people who'll choose their weed akin to choosing a fine wine. equally there will be many who's decision will be based on cost / strength and if the choice is medium grade legal vs super strength black market, you can see why a black market will continue.
In recent times I have worked with clients who chose synthetic weeds, such as Spice, due to it's increased strength and reduced cost, when compared to natural weed. Even when we point out that drugs like Spice are not in any way related to Cannabis they ignore the facts.
People who truly appreciate and enjoy cannabis do not move onto spice. Many of the aspects that those who truly appreciate their bud; The variance in genetics in regards to what you smell, see, taste and touch, the medicinal properties and the different types of high dependent on strain, are all stripped out. If legalised / legislated for, there may well be a number of people who'll choose their weed akin to choosing a fine wine. equally there will be many who's decision will be based on cost / strength and if the choice is medium grade legal vs super strength black market, you can see why a black market will continue.
In recent times I have worked with clients who chose synthetic weeds, such as Spice, due to it's increased strength and reduced cost, when compared to natural weed. Even when we point out that drugs like Spice are not in any way related to Cannabis they ignore the facts.
Its those people who want to get blitzed for the lowest amount possible who give spice a go. I can understand if they might have been cannabis users beforehand, but I am convinced they were going to move onto harder stuff anyway, with or without cannabis. A cannabis high is pretty tame in the grand scheme of trips, and those people who are after an all consuming intense high get bored with it very quickly.
That's why when you could until a few years ago go to to the high street and buy all the spice you wanted, people would still visit Amsterdam and try some of the strains you mentioned. Outright strength in the relevance of drugs is not the be all or end all, instead people want the complete experience like the fine wine analogy you mentioned, and enjoy the environment and choice that decriminalization offers.
The only way a black market would occur is if their was some sort strength limits that would be set far too low. Those stains you mentioned are already out there in the UK, because the cost vs strength vs yield analysis which get used to choose what gets grown and sold in the black market.
Some would continue to use the strong stains, but I suspect given the choice, many would try some potentially weaker strains that suited them better.
HustleRussell said:
Great, thanks- and at least we understand your position now (for the purposes of this thread I will charitably consider your ignorance a ‘position’)
What you mean that SC is ignorant of the detail of drugs and doesn’t live a life seemingly centred around drug usage, whilst maintaining its not addictive and risk free and wanting others to do likewise?That kind of ignorant?
It should also be pointed out that in a decriminalised society, Spice probably wouldn't exist
Legal highs were a loophole for all Classes for a while, MCAT was borne out of it as. Spice as the others was an accidental success, what it's actually created now it's illegal is a whole new black market with much worse effects than weed and people zombies in the street
Legal highs were a loophole for all Classes for a while, MCAT was borne out of it as. Spice as the others was an accidental success, what it's actually created now it's illegal is a whole new black market with much worse effects than weed and people zombies in the street
Nanook said:
V6 Pushfit said:
What you mean that SC is ignorant of the detail of drugs and doesn’t live a life seemingly centred around drug usage, whilst maintaining its not addictive and risk free and wanting others to do likewise?
That kind of ignorant?
No, nothing like that at all.That kind of ignorant?
But congratulations on once again showing how ignorant you are of the entire topic of conversation.
Funny how you dodge all the pertinent questions, then pop back in to act smarmy and witty, when you're really ill-informed and a bit thick.
9 percent of people who use marijuana will become dependent on it, rising to about 17 percent in those who start using in their teens
a growing number of studies in humans indicate that marijuana exposure during development can cause long-term or possibly permanent adverse changes in the brain
marijuana use disorder with frequent use starting in adolescence was associated with a loss of an average of 6 or up to 8 IQ points measured in mid-adulthood
etc etc
And some on here want it legalised. For obvious reasons:
1. Lowers the costs
2. Removes the stigma
Forget the truth, the facts and the damage it causes - as long as you can get it cheaper and legal then naturally who cares about damage to anyone else?
And on that note I'm off to do something a bit more interesting and healthy and a little less self centred and damaging in my spare time... so I'm out
a growing number of studies in humans indicate that marijuana exposure during development can cause long-term or possibly permanent adverse changes in the brain
marijuana use disorder with frequent use starting in adolescence was associated with a loss of an average of 6 or up to 8 IQ points measured in mid-adulthood
etc etc
And some on here want it legalised. For obvious reasons:
1. Lowers the costs
2. Removes the stigma
Forget the truth, the facts and the damage it causes - as long as you can get it cheaper and legal then naturally who cares about damage to anyone else?
And on that note I'm off to do something a bit more interesting and healthy and a little less self centred and damaging in my spare time... so I'm out
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 3rd July 14:55
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Just look at yourself. Clueless. 'Oh lets get back to alcohol that's an easy one' Keep on barrel scraping - you cant even remember having contradicted yourself earlier but I honestly cant be arsed raising it as thank Christ I don't have to deal with people like you any more.
Today we've already had 'why oh why are they punishing the poor cannabis users when all it will take is sacrificing the mental health of 17 others to keep 83 of us in legal weed'
Unbelievable.
Disastrous said:
100%.
He still can’t comprehend that the people arguing for legalisation are mostly non-users.
Ironic that the people he is accusing of being dopeheads (who have mental issues you know!) are the ones calmly constructing decent and cogent arguments whilst he froths and rages and leaves the thread over and over again - hardly an exemplar for the benefits of abstention!
Come on you're being unfairHe still can’t comprehend that the people arguing for legalisation are mostly non-users.
Ironic that the people he is accusing of being dopeheads (who have mental issues you know!) are the ones calmly constructing decent and cogent arguments whilst he froths and rages and leaves the thread over and over again - hardly an exemplar for the benefits of abstention!
Don't forget everyone he's ever met has had MH issues due to Cannabis
Disastrous said:
Nanook said:
V6 Pushfit said:
Just look at yourself. Clueless. 'Oh lets get back to alcohol that's an easy one'
Keep on barrel scraping - you cant even remember having contradicted yourself earlier but I honestly cant be arsed raising it as thank Christ I don't have to deal with people like you any more.
Today we've already had 'why oh why are they punishing the poor cannabis users when all it will take is sacrificing the mental health of 17 others to keep 83 of us in legal weed'
Unbelievable.
Thought you were leaving?Keep on barrel scraping - you cant even remember having contradicted yourself earlier but I honestly cant be arsed raising it as thank Christ I don't have to deal with people like you any more.
Today we've already had 'why oh why are they punishing the poor cannabis users when all it will take is sacrificing the mental health of 17 others to keep 83 of us in legal weed'
Unbelievable.
No? Back to spout more nonsense, nothing of note, then disappear again?
People like me?
What, people that have to pass random drug tests to retain their security clearance and contract?
You're so blinded by your idiocy, that you can't discuss it rationally, so you don't actually discuss it. You don't address any of the points, any of the questions people ask you, because that would involve admitting you're not quite right. You just make things up, then accuse people of saying things that you've made up
It's quite sad.
Actuallly, it's f
king pathetic. Edited by Nanook on Tuesday 3rd July 17:58
He still can’t comprehend that the people arguing for legalisation are mostly non-users.
Ironic that the people he is accusing of being dopeheads (who have mental issues you know!) are the ones calmly constructing decent and cogent arguments whilst he froths and rages and leaves the thread over and over again - hardly an exemplar for the benefits of abstention!
technodup said:
uck it, I'll try one more time..
It's illegal now. Lot of people take it. Some develop problems. What should we do?
I don't mean 'keep it illegal'. I mean practical and reasonable ways to address the 'problem' as you see it. Because everything we've tried for decades and longer hasn't worked. What's your solution?
Do a censusIt's illegal now. Lot of people take it. Some develop problems. What should we do?
I don't mean 'keep it illegal'. I mean practical and reasonable ways to address the 'problem' as you see it. Because everything we've tried for decades and longer hasn't worked. What's your solution?
At Census check do a mandatory drug test, if positive you get a 5 year stretch
After the first village they'll give up and legalise the f
king lot- Well it's as sensible as anything V6 will say*
andy_s said:
You sound a bit wound up about things that weren't said old sport - take a breath and have a think - it's better for the blood pressure than even a glass of red...
No issue here chap, just the usual bother with the space cadets ten on one. Thanks for the advice though I may just open a bottle to test your theory!Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 3rd July 22:30
V6 Pushfit said:
andy_s said:
You sound a bit wound up about things that weren't said old sport - take a breath and have a think - it's better for the blood pressure than even a glass of red...
No issue here chap, just the usual bother with the space cadets ten on one. Thanks for the advice though I may just open a bottle to test your theory!Sorry guys but SC was correct.
technodup said:
think on this thread it's you who's the lost cause.
Unlikely to be anything other than due to numbers but for my part it’s standing up against the bullst that led my colleagues kids and then my own son to very dark places. He’s out of it now but 18 months ago things were very different as weed led to LSD (another supposedly ‘creative’ drug if you believe the bulst from users online) and then 4 months of utter chaos as the whole delusion that drugs are safe took hold. He was a cats whisker from having to leave uni as deadlines were missed and exams resat. Driving for 4 hours at night to bring him home due to a bad smoking trip (and exam missed) is not great. Yes he got a degree - thanks to uni accepting the shrink report that he had MH issues from cannabis and they moderated his marks. He’s clean now but the scars are plainly visible.Those that will ultimately decide for it or against are thankfully from a demographic where the pro arguments on here aren’t likely to wash.
It’s been good and I wish you all well.
technodup said:
Nanook said:
If you're expecting him to answer anything for you, you'll wait a long time.
His son got into acid, but it's the weeds fault. Not his sons, not his, the weeds. And it was so bad, that he still passed all his exams and got his degree. That's if you believe a single word he's typed.
Don't forget the 'wrong crowd' he no doubt fell in with at uni.His son got into acid, but it's the weeds fault. Not his sons, not his, the weeds. And it was so bad, that he still passed all his exams and got his degree. That's if you believe a single word he's typed.
Wrong demographic, you see?
I could drive a horse and cart through the pro arguments here, they’re baseless from vested interests and to hell with anyone else.
Safety in numbers doesn’t interest me, neither does your puerile baiting and belief you are mainstream and cool. You aren’t either and never will be.
vsonix said:
V6 Pushfit said:
9 percent of people who use marijuana will become dependent on it, rising to about 17 percent in those who start using in their teens
So you'd punish 91% (rising to 83%) of people because of the small minority that has an issue. Doesn't that remind you of unfair teachers keeping the whole class in after school because little Kevin Chavson has ADHD and can't sit still when the teacher is talking?
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Are you sure that’s all cannabis users will do if legalised? Really? Are your sure?How do you know that.
Statistics and references please.
In the likely absence of which, it makes your assertion that I’m stupid rather ironic. And I’ll raise you to naive in the extreme.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 4th July 14:19
Sway said:
V6 Pushfit said:
Like dealing with a child. Whats wrong with you?
oh, wait.
I'd imagine that it's pretty foh, wait.
king annoying when somebody looks around the globe, sees an approach that appears to be overall net better than the one that we're following - and then all that happens are certain individuals, claiming intellectual superiority whilst actually articulating that they have the parenting skills significantly below average (after all, well over half the population try weed at uni, yet it's your son that fked up big time) - just keep sniping. It's easy to criticise. How about you use your superior intellect to come up with a better approach. Your own testimony shows how today's approach isn't working. What do you think would?
So you carry on attacking reality and making every excuse you can come up with to justify, and we'll just as happily carry on in the real world without the burden of legalised cannabis. See? No losers.
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