Junior Doctor's contracts petition

[Dixy]

For a man that has criticized other iefor weaponising the NHS he is playing with fire, I wish he was clearer as to why he believes this. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/26/nh...

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Adam, interesting opinions, you have been asked several times what horse you have running in this race, would it be too much to ask again.My sample may be smallish but of the JDs I have asked only one gave answers to make me suspect they had political motivation, the rest see it as a dispute with their employer, who happens to be the SoS.
The new contract has shorter working hours like the EU WTD has shorter working hours.

"Virtually every developed country does it far better." I agree with 2 caveats, for those who can afford it, and you ironically despise lies but seem to love statistics.

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Adam do you think that health care would be better if it was controlled locally, of course we could follow the Welsh system who have local control, all prescriptions are free but you wait 3 months when you find a lump on your testicle because who wants to rush seeing an oncologist.

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If any of you are wondering why I am so anti Hunt read half way down this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36015693
No he can not be blamed completely for this tragedy but he should shoulder some of the responsibility.
So when you say they wont leave the profession or the country, think again and reallise we will suffer the consequences.

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mph1977 said:

what you have to remember is that junior doctors, especially towards the start of their careers have finally had something hit home - they are not the special stars they have been all the way through their childhood ( top 0.5- 1 % of their peer group) and into their university lives,

Thank you for that informative statement, I will use it in the future to support my assertion that you have no idea what you are talking about. Most doctors decide at the age of about 6 that they want to be a medic, their parents say that's nice dear, you do realize you will have to work incredibly hard at school and give up much of your social life.

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Interesting that you challenge part of someone else connection but don't state your own.

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All very interesting but off topic, for those that say the JDs will have to suck it up cos they wont leave, explain the Chorley A&E problem where they have to close because they can not get doctors.
Hunt is not only going to be hated by the NHS but also future SoS who will have to pay over the odds for a scarce resource.

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Sorry MPH but I have read what you have written twice and have no idea of the point you are trying to make.

[Dixy]

I thought they had downgraded themselves from an emergency department because they were unable to recruit either full time or locum doctors.

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So tomorrow the Junior Doctors will try again to get Hunt to talk, they have tried offering things as compromises and Hunt just refuses.
Is this a battle he may win at our expense.

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Adam Ansel said:

The junior doctors are incredibly naive to believe what the BMA are telling them, they don't understand that they are just pawns for extreme lefties to use for purely political ends.

Or to become a Junior Doctor in the first place you have to be the brightest of the bright and are more than capable of reading the contract themselves, which is what they have done. They are capable of doing simple sums themselves and can work out how much worse off they will be. They also know how the trusts run roughshod over the working time rules at present and under the new contract they will have no effective penalty.

As for the country having trained them they leave university like any other student with a degree that they have paid for, unlike most grads they then pay for all of the subsequent courses and exams themselves, take leave to do them and do that for at least the next 9 years.

Those that say this is a political stand by lefties, just prove that they have no idea what they are talking about.

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For a card carrying capitalist you seem pretty clueless about supply and demand, when the demand goes up and the supply goes down the price goes up.

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Hosenbugler said:

Presumably, if your wife cares passionately for her patients, and she is a JD, then like my daughter in Law, she is in work today?

Strange as it may seem, I'm of the opinion that standing in the street chanting juvenile slogans and waving equally juvenile placards does nothing for patient care.

That is because you cant see beyond the end of your nose. An adequate supply of doctors is a fundamental requirement of any hospital, today most JDs are standing up and being counted for the good of tomorrow. They could of course say "whatever" but in a few years time when there are just too few Doctors for the demand of patients, what then.
So your Daughter in law is putting the care of a few patients today ahead of many patients in the future.
Of course it will be great for her as in the future she wont have to negotiate, just name her price, how very mature.

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Wow what fantastic logic, you are going to solve the problem of having doctors in on Saturday and Sunday by not having them in on Wednesday and Thursday. Or to put it another way you wish to reorganize the deck chairs.

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GavinPearson said:

The BMA needs to be treated like Thatcher treated the NUM.

Good suggestion, she got rid of all the British miners, Hunt is going to get rid of all the British doctors, who needs doctors anyhow.

[Dixy]

And how much of any of this has what to do with the Junior Doctors contract?

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turbobloke said:

spaximus said:

BlackLabel said:

Some good news.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/may/04/jun...

"Junior doctors have agreed to temporarily hold off calling further strikes to enable fresh talks to take place with the government, giving hope that the long-running pay dispute could finally be heading towards resolution."

The JD's are being pragmatic, remove the threat of strikes and it will show who really wants to end this.

Possibly, but it's also possible that they realise public support while strong so far is starting to erode with the impact of lack of emergency cover and publicity being given to other consequences e.g. impact on cancer patients, and the BMA's days taking on the government are numbered. It's one or the other. Whichever it is, here's hoping for a permanent resolution in the near future.

The SoS has said no this morning, so much for jaw jaw being better than war war.
The Junior Doctors have 3 main options, give in, all out strike, mass resignation. Hell of a gamble Hunt with our health.

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And all that has what to do with the Junior Doctors contracts.

Start your own thread if you want to discuss something else.

[Dixy]

Is starting your own thread that difficult for you?

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Why is public support of any relevance.