Cyclist killed by Olympic bus

[thinfourth2]

What we really need is a public awareness campaign that basically says

Cyclists Remember you're squishy

[andymadmak]

thinfourth2 said:

What we really need is a public awareness campaign that basically says

Cyclists Remember you're squishy

Somebody "talented with the computer graphic arts" on PH simply HAS to do that poster!

[IroningMan]

[Calvin & Hobbes]

'Be careful, or be roadkill.'

[/Calvin & Hobbes]

[oyster]

eccles said:

oyster said:

will_ said:

Zaxxon said:

How often do you see cyclists signalling their intention??

And if they did.....just how many driver would have a clue what the stop hand movement meant? They would probably think that the cyclist was calling them a wker and then run them off the road

How often does that really matter though? How often does a cyclist crush another road user by turning accross them?

Exactly.

And also cyclists aren't being paid.

Just as I expect airline pilots to fly to a higher standard than the weekend flyer in his Cessna, then so should cab drivers drive better than Doris in her Micra going to the shops.

So using that logic, cycle couriers should be the paragon of virtue as well

Ooops. Backfire.....

[JDRoest]

aizvara said:

I did wince this morning when I watched a girl on a bike try to squeeze to the left of a slowing bus. I don't really understand the thought process involved; everyone must be fairly aware of the fact that buses frequently pull in left to stop. Perhaps it is the painted on cycle lanes that make people think this is a good idea? (Not that there was one in this situation). However it seems to me that this is fairly similar to those people who put their cars alongside long vehicles on roundabouts; not really thinking about space and consequences.

I've spent the last month watching thousands of cyclists on a Italian mountain, and I've decided that what nearly everyone suffers from is a total lack of patience. So few people will actually wait a few seconds more to make the whole transaction of avoiding each other go a little bit easier. To be honest, nearly all the road users lack patience, not just the cyclists.

Cyclists stand out in the last few days as workmen have been repairing the walls next to the roadway. Every so often, maybe for 2-3 minutes they have to block the road to pour some ballast or concrete behind the bit of wall they've repaired and to fill in the gap. Or sometimes get more rocks onto the scaffold.

I think today took the piss, when several cyclists got bored of waiting, and decided that whilst the arm of the digger was outstretched, to cycle under it, rather than wait the extra 60s for the process to complete. I mean, there is the guy on the digger trying to make sure he's positioning his bucket correctly that is probably 10-12 feet away, trying to not to knock the guy on the scaffolding who is directing the bucket which must contain half to a ton of material, and three cyclists decided that enough is enough and cycle under the bucket whilst the digger is creeping forward??!!!

You get this on corners as well when the car drivers screw up a hairpin, and they are all nose to tail nudging each other through tiny gaps, can a cyclist give them just a few moments to untangle themselves? No, through he goes.

And then you have to feel sorry for guys on motorbikes when someone can't be patient, they are forced to stop unexpectedly, down goes the foot to steady themselves - and as any biker knows, on a bend, the ground is 6-12" lower than where you think it should be. I genuinely feel sorry for when bikers go down, as if falling off isn't embarrasing enough, the bike landing on you afterwards does not look pleasant either.

No one really gets out of this with any honour, especially not car drivers, who fail to turn the steering wheel on a corner, and who have all the eloquence on their brakes as a 30st ballerina. They literally close the gaps on poor old bikers and cyclists. But then, not like those guys could wait a few moments to let the RV clear the bend.

But whenever there is a problem on a corner, the contributing factor is a lack of patience from nearly every road user.

And quite why people have to beep when they get to a corner???!! What the hells that all about? Is the biker half way round the corner going to leap off his bike? Or the biker who beeped through a tunnel yesterday whilst on the wrong side of the road - where exactly do I put myself when you're on my side??

Patience, or lack of, is the problem.

[Jasandjules]

thinfourth2 said:

What we really need is a public awareness campaign that basically says

Cyclists Remember you're squishy

And don't undertake. Or run red lights. Because the other things on the road are not as squishy as you are.

[jagracer]

Zaxxon said:

Have you ever met a black cab driver? You're expecting standards?

Generalising they seem to be some of the worst (professional) drivers going and I don't mean bad mannered, they jut don't seem to be able to drive with any level of competency. I've seen plenty that can't judge gaps, are unaware of what's going on around them, couldn't reverse in a straight line if their lives depended on it and some of the biggest MLMs going.

[glazbagun]

jagracer said:

Zaxxon said:

Have you ever met a black cab driver? You're expecting standards?

Generalising they seem to be some of the worst (professional) drivers going and I don't mean bad mannered, they jut don't seem to be able to drive with any level of competency. I've seen plenty that can't judge gaps, are unaware of what's going on around them, couldn't reverse in a straight line if their lives depended on it and some of the biggest MLMs going.

I wonder how much of that is due to learning the Knowledge on scooters.

[Mojocvh]

oyster said:

Mojocvh said:

Until we have some enlightened road planning these terrible incidents will continue.

RIP.

I disagree. The roads are fine - it's the people on them that are the problem. Wiggins was spot on when all we need is a bit of give and take.

As a cyclist I don't want to have my journey slowed down by excessive segregated cycle lanes just because a small percentage of motorised vehicle users can't follow something as simple as the highway code.

Well, if I take what you have just written as your attitude on the road, then you are an idiot.

Segregation of cyclists onto separate protected [and not by white line] pathways [as on the continent] would give even the densest of motorists/cyclists the survival space to avoid a momentary lapse of judgement becoming a tragedy.



But do carry on at your own risk.



I'm actually on you're [the cyclists side] but you appear too DENSE to realise it

Edited by Mojocvh on Friday 3rd August 23:17

[HOGEPH]

andymadmak said:

thinfourth2 said:

What we really need is a public awareness campaign that basically says

Cyclists Remember you're squishy

Somebody "talented with the computer graphic arts" on PH simply HAS to do that poster!

I seem to recall a road safety poster from the 80's that showed a cyclist side on with "Crumple Zone" where the rider was.