Pret - 1 in 50 job applicants are British

[battered]

I have done hygiene inspections at pret,they a re good places. Full of Europeans and nice places to work. They are not insular, the kitchens are full of bright, chatty people from all over. If I were young and needed a stopgap I'd be round there. I'd be all over a Spanish girl or two as well, there are some lovely creatures there and a young man could have a very good time.

[powerstroke]

John145 said:

powerstroke said:

First I would scrap the chav breeding program , and put the money into childcare for working people instead,
It would be great if we valued and had respect for people who provide the services we all need like cleaners
and waiters , instead of belittling these jobs and telling people one day you will get a real job ...
for instance without a clean hospital people will die from infection so the cleaning staff are no less important than the medics ...

The only reason for me that people don't want to see themselves or their children in these service jobs is that we all know that the salary is so poor you'll always be struggling to get by. If the salaries were sensible or even good the shift in culture would be noticeable.

maybe things will change post brexit ?? if there isn't limitless cheap labour avalable wages must rise , it would be better for our economy if wages stayed in the
country , the cost of migrant workers is huge to tax payers it would be ok if they were immigrants I have no problem with that ....

[John145]

powerstroke said:

John145 said:

powerstroke said:

First I would scrap the chav breeding program , and put the money into childcare for working people instead,
It would be great if we valued and had respect for people who provide the services we all need like cleaners
and waiters , instead of belittling these jobs and telling people one day you will get a real job ...
for instance without a clean hospital people will die from infection so the cleaning staff are no less important than the medics ...

The only reason for me that people don't want to see themselves or their children in these service jobs is that we all know that the salary is so poor you'll always be struggling to get by. If the salaries were sensible or even good the shift in culture would be noticeable.

maybe things will change post brexit ?? if there isn't limitless cheap labour avalable wages must rise , it would be better for our economy if wages stayed in the
country , the cost of migrant workers is huge to tax payers it would be ok if they were immigrants I have no problem with that ....

The biggest risk are the Murph's of this country. fk them, their fault for being in service sector, cut the benefits so they have to work at st salaries and cut NMW whilst we're at it.

[battered]

powerstroke said:

maybe things will change post brexit ?? if there isn't limitless cheap labour avalable wages must rise , it would be better for our economy if wages stayed in the
country , the cost of migrant workers is huge to tax payers it would be ok if they were immigrants I have no problem with that ....

No, migrant workers and immigrants are net contributors to tax payers and UK PLC. Source: ONS.

[davepoth]

battered said:

No, migrant workers and immigrants are net contributors to tax payers and UK PLC. Source: ONS.

Usually we go with a web link rather than just saying they said it.

The study in question was somewhat selective though. Overall, it's a net positive but for the lowest earners immigration is negative in terms of wages.

http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources...

[speedyman]

Given the profit margins in coffee wages could be a lot higher.

[Rich_W]

REALIST123 said:

audidoody said:

We're hired an Italian girl on a short-term contract (event organising). Sharp, punctual, hard-working, doesn't miss a trick, initiative, never have to explain anything twice.

Compare that to the locals we've employed in previous years on the same job - habitually late, days off ill, admin cock-ups, mistakes, copping an attitude when mistakes are pointed out, lazy, unreliable.

Reminds me of when I interviewed and Italian guy a few years ago. He'd been working at a local manufacturer of luxury food products.

I knew that when he brought to the interview a few samples he'd lifted from the line, to give to me n the hope of smoothing the path.

Didn't give him the job.

A lot of Italians do like to think they are in the Mafia...

davepoth said:

battered said:

No, migrant workers and immigrants are net contributors to tax payers and UK PLC. Source: ONS.

Usually we go with a web link rather than just saying they said it.

The study in question was somewhat selective though. Overall, it's a net positive but for the lowest earners immigration is negative in terms of wages.

http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources...

Bit in bold.

This is WHY people don't go for a job at Pret. Now I know what I'm worth in my career. And I'm relatively insulated from cheaper labour because I have a lump of experience that most employers are looking for. So I wouldn't do my job for significantly less if I didn't have to.

But I do worry for those at the lower end not getting a look in since they aren't prepared to work 50 hour weeks for nmw. Whereas intelligent migrant workers are using it as a stop gap before getting another better job. When they do move on to something better for £22K a year. Who fills their space in Pret? More migrant workers. The conveyor belt isn't stopping.

Though to a degree I hope Brexit will slow it.

[gizlaroc]

Rich_W said:

But I do worry for those at the lower end not getting a look in since they can't work 50 hour weeks for nmw. Whereas intelligent migrant workers are using it as a stop gap before getting another better job. When they do move on to something better for £22K a year. Who fills their space in Pret? More migrant workers. The conveyor belt isn't stopping.

Though to a degree I hope Brexit will slow it.

Bingo!

It is no different to the Aussies getting pissed off with Brits going over to NSW, they turn up for 12 months or so, live in a hostel at £10 a night, buy a car between 5 of them and go pick the fruit and work in bars for far less than locals can afford to work for.


The problem we have in the UK is the UK is very desirable for many from Europe, for some reason everyone loves London. Don't get me wrong I do, but only when I have plenty of money.


A never ending supply of cheap labour from overseas can only suppress wages for locals, no matter what country you're in. Another reason an open Europe simply can't work long term, a nice idea, but not practical.

[Adam B]

gizlaroc said:

The problem we have in the UK is the UK is very desirable for many from Europe, for some reason everyone loves London. Don't get me wrong I do, but only when I have plenty of money.

Because English is the most valuable language to learn, and most have learnt some already

Edited by Adam B on Sunday 12th March 03:07

[mike74]

In my small village there are around 10 youngsters all unemployed, don't know just what benefits they're on (ESA, JSA?) but they certainly don't work.

A couple of miles up the road there is a chicken processing factory with an unskilled workforce of around 200 people, about one third of these are Eastern Europeans.

Why are we paying UK nationals unemployment benefits whilst at the same time employing unskilled migrants?

[Adam B]

mike74 said:

In my small village there are around 10 youngsters all unemployed, don't know just what benefits they're on (ESA, JSA?) but they certainly don't work.

A couple of miles up the road there is a chicken processing factory with an unskilled workforce of around 200 people, about one third of these are Eastern Europeans.

Why are we paying UK nationals unemployment benefits whilst at the same time employing unskilled migrants?

Have you asked the 10 if they would be willing to work in the chicken factory for the wage offered? That would give you the answer

[powerstroke]

Adam B said:

mike74 said:

In my small village there are around 10 youngsters all unemployed, don't know just what benefits they're on (ESA, JSA?) but they certainly don't work.

A couple of miles up the road there is a chicken processing factory with an unskilled workforce of around 200 people, about one third of these are Eastern Europeans.

Why are we paying UK nationals unemployment benefits whilst at the same time employing unskilled migrants?

Have you asked the 10 if they would be willing to work in the chicken factory for the wage offered? That would give you the answer

Exactly , like I said earlier we should scrap the chav breeding program /lifestyle choice that our over generous benefit system allows..

[zygalski]

powerstroke said:

Adam B said:

mike74 said:

In my small village there are around 10 youngsters all unemployed, don't know just what benefits they're on (ESA, JSA?) but they certainly don't work.

A couple of miles up the road there is a chicken processing factory with an unskilled workforce of around 200 people, about one third of these are Eastern Europeans.

Why are we paying UK nationals unemployment benefits whilst at the same time employing unskilled migrants?

Have you asked the 10 if they would be willing to work in the chicken factory for the wage offered? That would give you the answer

Exactly , like I said earlier we should scrap the chav breeding program /lifestyle choice that our over generous benefit system allows..

Christ you sound jaded.
Why don't you go on a door to door in your local council estate demanding to know why those who are unemployed or on benefits don't get a NMW job?
Let us know how you do.

[powerstroke]

zygalski said:

Christ you sound jaded.
Why don't you go on a door to door in your local council estate demanding to know why those who are unemployed or on benefits don't get a NMW job?
Let us know how you do.

I don't need to!! its fking obvious if work pays little more than benefits , you are going to be down at Greggs getting the baby a sausage roll
at 11.00 on a monday not plucking chickens !!!

[Robertj21a]

powerstroke said:

zygalski said:

Christ you sound jaded.
Why don't you go on a door to door in your local council estate demanding to know why those who are unemployed or on benefits don't get a NMW job?
Let us know how you do.

I don't need to!! its fking obvious if work pays little more than benefits , you are going to be down at Greggs getting the baby a sausage roll
at 11.00 on a monday not plucking chickens !!!

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Sorry to say, but this is the reality of the situation.

[battered]

davepoth said:

battered said:

No, migrant workers and immigrants are net contributors to tax payers and UK PLC. Source: ONS.

Usually we go with a web link rather than just saying they said it.

The study in question was somewhat selective though. Overall, it's a net positive but for the lowest earners immigration is negative in terms of wages.

http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources...

Now who's being selective? We can all cherry pick a part of a report. The ONS aren't known for bias.

[Andehh]

Murph7355 said:

NordicCrankShaft said:

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All good and well saying that 1 in 50 is British when that actual 1 is probably the only British person to apply, seems like the article is more intent on giving Johhny Foreigner a bad name, for actually working rather than trying to play the benefits system.

I took the opposite from it... That the problem isn't immigrants but the indigenous who cannot be arsed.

Yep, and teenagers/etc who "want a proper job" but arnt sure what it is yet, so will hang back until it finds them.


Few week ago on pistonheads in the employment forum, guy came on asking for advice in finding a job. Said he wanted to buy a van, but needs a job that would use it. I pointed out I spent several year working in pubs, bars and restaurants etc and earned good money. He disagreed, saying he wanted to job that would use his not-yet-bought can.

It's ridiculous expectations & priorities combined with a high sence of self importance/entitlement the "yoof of today" have that prevent them lowering their standards to somewhere like Pret.

[Robertj21a]

Andehh said:

Yep, and teenagers/etc who "want a proper job" but arnt sure what it is yet, so will hang back until it finds them.


Few week ago on pistonheads in the employment forum, guy came on asking for advice in finding a job. Said he wanted to buy a van, but needs a job that would use it. I pointed out I spent several year working in pubs, bars and restaurants etc and earned good money. He disagreed, saying he wanted to job that would use his not-yet-bought can.

It's ridiculous expectations & priorities combined with a high sence of self importance/entitlement the "yoof of today" have that prevent them lowering their standards to somewhere like Pret.

Fortunately, the likes of Pret set their standards at a sufficiently high level to never need to employ such people.

[davepoth]

battered said:

Now who's being selective? We can all cherry pick a part of a report. The ONS aren't known for bias.

And what they said was correct; immigration is a net positive for the country. What I was pointing out was that if you dive more deeply into the figures (which the ONS didn't do) you find that the poorest workers are negatively affected by immigration.

The ONS have unconsciously confirmed the economic orthodoxy, and that is an issue in the field of economics.

[battered]

davepoth said:

The ONS have unconsciously confirmed the economic orthodoxy, and that is an issue in the field of economics.

Eh? What does this sentence even mean?