Another American shooting incident.

[968]

Mojocvh said:

968 said:

Mojocvh said:

968 said:

elster said:

968 said:

Muntu said:

Wadeski said:

the American right has got wayyyyyy to cozy with the crazies. I'm not surprised this has happened, sadly.

He appears to be a Leftie. Favourite video is the burning of a US flag on his youtube account.

How do you know what his political persuasions are?

One of his favourite books on facebook was listed as mein Kampf.

And the other the communist manifesto. So both ends of the political spectrum represented. It's irrelevant, however, other than for fanboys on both sides to try and shamelessly gain some higher ground over their opposite number at the expense of this poor woman and the 6 dead around her including a child. The most relevant issue that we can be certain of with this chap is that he is mentally ill and I would suggest anyone advocating or sympathising with the attempted murder of any politician may have a problem too.

Wow, what's it like in utopia, 968?

You think it's ok to sympathise with an attempted murder?

edited for accuracy

Edited by 968 on Sunday 9th January 14:55

bla, bla, bla it's ALWAYS the same agenda from you.

I doubt that you actually give a st about the slain, it's all about YOUR anti US slant and it became BORING a LONG time ago.

[FYI: Actually I have been debarred from a prominent US based aviation/discussion forum for pointing out that they seem (via the likes of TSA etc) to be sleepwalking into a kind of unaccountable neo fascist state, so don't even TRY your usual CRAP as a reply, not that I'm holding my breath ]

Are you feeling well? I've said nothing anti-american whatsoever in any of my posts. I think this is a terrible event and a tragic loss of life, victims of someone clearly mental. My only point has been the rather unedifying need for some here to pin the blame on one political persuasion or the other, as Ernest has already observed, no one knows what this chaps motives were. His reading list is an eclectic one, and cannot really be used as a marker for the political actions of any particular group.

I genuinely don't know what your beef is with me, on this thread. I'd welcome you to let me know. PM me if necessary.

Edited by 968 on Sunday 9th January 22:46

[968]

Jimbeaux said:

tinman0 said:

Jimbeaux said:

Bingone said:

I was watching the press conference with the local sheriff who seemed a thoroughly decent old guy. He said that Arizona was like the Mecca for bigotry. Not sure what he meant but the Mayor had a slightly 'softer' approach. Two members of the public brought the fecker down, one being a woman. It's a little ironic that his target took a bullet THROUGH the head and will survive whilst the 6 dead are, well..............dead, including a 9 year old girl.

This NRA boollocks about "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" has got to be shown for what it is. The constitutional right to bear arms has been abused for generations, it was only ever meant to protect America as a land, not individuals land as it is now interpreted. Charlton Heston and his cronies in the NRA have a lot of blood on their hands as far as I'm concerned and the sooner the big boys in American legislature grow some balls and rebut this ridiculous 'interpretation' of the constitution the better.

That moose hunting backwater sow Sarah Palin wants a good hiding as well for the leaflets her 'campaign' has produced which actually showed Giffords behind the crosshairs as a target! Erm, hello!!!! There are nutters out there with guns!!

Another sad day for the world's largest democracy.

Can you get anymore brainwashed and ignorant??

Dunno, where's 968 when you need him?

It's nice to see that the cg trio have been reunited. After you've finished with Jim, your other buddy could benefit from your services.

Perhaps, instead, you'd like to discuss the actual issue at hand?

[Jimbeaux]

Ayahuasca said:

Jimbeaux said:

Bingone said:

I was watching the press conference with the local sheriff who seemed a thoroughly decent old guy. He said that Arizona was like the Mecca for bigotry. Not sure what he meant but the Mayor had a slightly 'softer' approach. Two members of the public brought the fecker down, one being a woman. It's a little ironic that his target took a bullet THROUGH the head and will survive whilst the 6 dead are, well..............dead, including a 9 year old girl.

This NRA boollocks about "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" has got to be shown for what it is. The constitutional right to bear arms has been abused for generations, it was only ever meant to protect America as a land, not individuals land as it is now interpreted. Charlton Heston and his cronies in the NRA have a lot of blood on their hands as far as I'm concerned and the sooner the big boys in American legislature grow some balls and rebut this ridiculous 'interpretation' of the constitution the better.

That moose hunting backwater sow Sarah Palin wants a good hiding as well for the leaflets her 'campaign' has produced which actually showed Giffords behind the crosshairs as a target! Erm, hello!!!! There are nutters out there with guns!!

Another sad day for the world's largest democracy.

Can you get anymore brainwashed and ignorant??

Which part is brainwashed and ignorant?

Which part is not is a shorter task. For him to interpret what our amendments should mean is arrogant. To categorize hunters as ignorant and bloodthirsty indicate a lack of understanding of a country and its traditions that should raise the irony flag.

[968]

Jimbeaux said:

Ayahuasca said:

Jimbeaux said:

Bingone said:

I was watching the press conference with the local sheriff who seemed a thoroughly decent old guy. He said that Arizona was like the Mecca for bigotry. Not sure what he meant but the Mayor had a slightly 'softer' approach. Two members of the public brought the fecker down, one being a woman. It's a little ironic that his target took a bullet THROUGH the head and will survive whilst the 6 dead are, well..............dead, including a 9 year old girl.

This NRA boollocks about "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" has got to be shown for what it is. The constitutional right to bear arms has been abused for generations, it was only ever meant to protect America as a land, not individuals land as it is now interpreted. Charlton Heston and his cronies in the NRA have a lot of blood on their hands as far as I'm concerned and the sooner the big boys in American legislature grow some balls and rebut this ridiculous 'interpretation' of the constitution the better.

That moose hunting backwater sow Sarah Palin wants a good hiding as well for the leaflets her 'campaign' has produced which actually showed Giffords behind the crosshairs as a target! Erm, hello!!!! There are nutters out there with guns!!

Another sad day for the world's largest democracy.

Can you get anymore brainwashed and ignorant??

Which part is brainwashed and ignorant?

Which part is not is a shorter task. For him to interpret what our amendments should mean is arrogant. To categorize hunters as ignorant and bloodthirsty indicate a lack of understanding of a country and its traditions that should raise the irony flag.

I don't think this is a gun issue per se, the only gun ownership issue here is how someone so mentally ill could get access to one. Did he actually have a license for one? If so how would he have obtained it? This is a genuine question for Jim.

[Jimbeaux]

968 said:

Jimbeaux said:

tinman0 said:

Jimbeaux said:

Bingone said:

I was watching the press conference with the local sheriff who seemed a thoroughly decent old guy. He said that Arizona was like the Mecca for bigotry. Not sure what he meant but the Mayor had a slightly 'softer' approach. Two members of the public brought the fecker down, one being a woman. It's a little ironic that his target took a bullet THROUGH the head and will survive whilst the 6 dead are, well..............dead, including a 9 year old girl.

This NRA boollocks about "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" has got to be shown for what it is. The constitutional right to bear arms has been abused for generations, it was only ever meant to protect America as a land, not individuals land as it is now interpreted. Charlton Heston and his cronies in the NRA have a lot of blood on their hands as far as I'm concerned and the sooner the big boys in American legislature grow some balls and rebut this ridiculous 'interpretation' of the constitution the better.

That moose hunting backwater sow Sarah Palin wants a good hiding as well for the leaflets her 'campaign' has produced which actually showed Giffords behind the crosshairs as a target! Erm, hello!!!! There are nutters out there with guns!!

Another sad day for the world's largest democracy.

Can you get anymore brainwashed and ignorant??

Dunno, where's 968 when you need him?

It's nice to see that the cg trio have been reunited. After you've finished with Jim, your other buddy could benefit from your services.

Perhaps, instead, you'd like to discuss the actual issue at hand?

How so very pathetic of you. I said nothing to you or about you. So, to follow your classy example, go fk yourself you government doc.

[Jimbeaux]

968 said:

Jimbeaux said:

Ayahuasca said:

Jimbeaux said:

Bingone said:

I was watching the press conference with the local sheriff who seemed a thoroughly decent old guy. He said that Arizona was like the Mecca for bigotry. Not sure what he meant but the Mayor had a slightly 'softer' approach. Two members of the public brought the fecker down, one being a woman. It's a little ironic that his target took a bullet THROUGH the head and will survive whilst the 6 dead are, well..............dead, including a 9 year old girl.

This NRA boollocks about "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" has got to be shown for what it is. The constitutional right to bear arms has been abused for generations, it was only ever meant to protect America as a land, not individuals land as it is now interpreted. Charlton Heston and his cronies in the NRA have a lot of blood on their hands as far as I'm concerned and the sooner the big boys in American legislature grow some balls and rebut this ridiculous 'interpretation' of the constitution the better.

That moose hunting backwater sow Sarah Palin wants a good hiding as well for the leaflets her 'campaign' has produced which actually showed Giffords behind the crosshairs as a target! Erm, hello!!!! There are nutters out there with guns!!

Another sad day for the world's largest democracy.

Can you get anymore brainwashed and ignorant??

Which part is brainwashed and ignorant?

Which part is not is a shorter task. For him to interpret what our amendments should mean is arrogant. To categorize hunters as ignorant and bloodthirsty indicate a lack of understanding of a country and its traditions that should raise the irony flag.

I don't think this is a gun issue per se, the only gun ownership issue here is how someone so mentally ill could get access to one. Did he actually have a license for one? If so how would he have obtained it? This is a genuine question for Jim.

Perhaps he is not obviously a mentalist or can hide it long enought to fool some folks. If he is in a database as a dangerous mental case, he could not, legally. However, guns can be obtained illegally all day long to a determined seeker. As may be noted, "legal" does not seem to be his concern.

[968]

Jimbeaux said:

968 said:

Jimbeaux said:

tinman0 said:

Jimbeaux said:

Bingone said:

I was watching the press conference with the local sheriff who seemed a thoroughly decent old guy. He said that Arizona was like the Mecca for bigotry. Not sure what he meant but the Mayor had a slightly 'softer' approach. Two members of the public brought the fecker down, one being a woman. It's a little ironic that his target took a bullet THROUGH the head and will survive whilst the 6 dead are, well..............dead, including a 9 year old girl.

This NRA boollocks about "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" has got to be shown for what it is. The constitutional right to bear arms has been abused for generations, it was only ever meant to protect America as a land, not individuals land as it is now interpreted. Charlton Heston and his cronies in the NRA have a lot of blood on their hands as far as I'm concerned and the sooner the big boys in American legislature grow some balls and rebut this ridiculous 'interpretation' of the constitution the better.

That moose hunting backwater sow Sarah Palin wants a good hiding as well for the leaflets her 'campaign' has produced which actually showed Giffords behind the crosshairs as a target! Erm, hello!!!! There are nutters out there with guns!!

Another sad day for the world's largest democracy.

Can you get anymore brainwashed and ignorant??

Dunno, where's 968 when you need him?

It's nice to see that the cg trio have been reunited. After you've finished with Jim, your other buddy could benefit from your services.

Perhaps, instead, you'd like to discuss the actual issue at hand?

How so very pathetic of you. I said nothing to you or about you. So, to follow your classy example, go fk yourself you government doc.

Actually I work in both public and private sectors so....

Sorry to tar you with the same brush as your friend tinman. It was wrong and I apologise.

Edited by 968 on Sunday 9th January 23:00

[968]

Jimbeaux said:

968 said:

Jimbeaux said:

tinman0 said:

Jimbeaux said:

Bingone said:

I was watching the press conference with the local sheriff who seemed a thoroughly decent old guy. He said that Arizona was like the Mecca for bigotry. Not sure what he meant but the Mayor had a slightly 'softer' approach. Two members of the public brought the fecker down, one being a woman. It's a little ironic that his target took a bullet THROUGH the head and will survive whilst the 6 dead are, well..............dead, including a 9 year old girl.

This NRA boollocks about "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" has got to be shown for what it is. The constitutional right to bear arms has been abused for generations, it was only ever meant to protect America as a land, not individuals land as it is now interpreted. Charlton Heston and his cronies in the NRA have a lot of blood on their hands as far as I'm concerned and the sooner the big boys in American legislature grow some balls and rebut this ridiculous 'interpretation' of the constitution the better.

That moose hunting backwater sow Sarah Palin wants a good hiding as well for the leaflets her 'campaign' has produced which actually showed Giffords behind the crosshairs as a target! Erm, hello!!!! There are nutters out there with guns!!

Another sad day for the world's largest democracy.

Can you get anymore brainwashed and ignorant??

Dunno, where's 968 when you need him?

It's nice to see that the cg trio have been reunited. After you've finished with Jim, your other buddy could benefit from your services.

Perhaps, instead, you'd like to discuss the actual issue at hand?

How so very pathetic of you. I said nothing to you or about you. So, to follow your classy example, go fk yourself you government doc.

Actually I work in both public and private sectors so....

Sorry to tar you with the same brush as your friend tinman. It was wrong and I apologise.

Edited by 968 on Sunday 9th January 23:00

[ErnestM]

I have to say that on this thread I have found 968's posts to be balanced and reasonable. I agree with him that jumping to conclusions regarding political motivations is wrong for either side of the political spectrum at this point in the investigation.

I have found a few things out:

1. This chap apparently has a history of aberrant behaviour

2. His firearm (Glock 19) was purchased legally around Nov 30 as was his high capacity mag (30 round)

3. He, apparently, failed the unrinalysis when he tried to join the US Army in 2008

4. He is not currently talking to the police

5. The situation was ended, in part, by two heroic individuals who acted quickly and may have actually interfered with his ability to keep shooting (conflicting reports of interfereing with his magazine replacement)

6. The alleged perpetrator has been in trouble with the law in the past but his infractions have been nol prosed or reduced. (This could be very important but I will withhold the reason why until I get more information)

- - -

I will wait until I have further information to formulate other opinions.

However, I don't think that this will have any impact one way or the other regarding the 2nd amendment as that is settled law (DC Vs. Heller) and it is, after all, an individual (again - Heller) right as are all rights under the bill of rights.

[Ayahuasca]

Jimbeaux said:

Ayahuasca said:

Jimbeaux said:

Bingone said:

I was watching the press conference with the local sheriff who seemed a thoroughly decent old guy. He said that Arizona was like the Mecca for bigotry. Not sure what he meant but the Mayor had a slightly 'softer' approach. Two members of the public brought the fecker down, one being a woman. It's a little ironic that his target took a bullet THROUGH the head and will survive whilst the 6 dead are, well..............dead, including a 9 year old girl.

This NRA boollocks about "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" has got to be shown for what it is. The constitutional right to bear arms has been abused for generations, it was only ever meant to protect America as a land, not individuals land as it is now interpreted. Charlton Heston and his cronies in the NRA have a lot of blood on their hands as far as I'm concerned and the sooner the big boys in American legislature grow some balls and rebut this ridiculous 'interpretation' of the constitution the better.

That moose hunting backwater sow Sarah Palin wants a good hiding as well for the leaflets her 'campaign' has produced which actually showed Giffords behind the crosshairs as a target! Erm, hello!!!! There are nutters out there with guns!!

Another sad day for the world's largest democracy.

Can you get anymore brainwashed and ignorant??

Which part is brainwashed and ignorant?

Which part is not is a shorter task. For him to interpret what our amendments should mean is arrogant. To categorize hunters as ignorant and bloodthirsty indicate a lack of understanding of a country and its traditions that should raise the irony flag.

But I believe he is correct in that the 'right to bear arms' has been abused. It was introduced in 1791 when many things - including, for instance, slavery - were legal; I am sure you agree that times have since moved on. I do not believe it is arrogance to gently point this out.

Sarah Palin did put out publicity material with crosshairs representing Gifford (as well as some other 'targets'). I am sure she regrets this now but, as our man said, there are definitely a lot of nutters with guns in the USA. Maybe it would be wise to introduce mandatory pyschological testing in order to qualify for gun ownership?

[ErnestM]

Ayahuasca said:

Maybe it would be wise to introduce mandatory pyschological testing in order to qualify for gun ownership?

"...shall not be infringed"

The current tests are good enough. If you don't pass the background check, you cannot buy a gun.

[Jimbeaux]

968 said:

Actually I work in both public and private sectors so....

Sorry to tar you with the same brush as your friend tinman. It was wrong and I apologise.

Edited by 968 on Sunday 9th January 23:00

Accepted. I too apologize.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Sunday 9th January 23:20

[Jimbeaux]

ErnestM said:

I have to say that on this thread I have found 968's posts to be balanced and reasonable. I agree with him that jumping to conclusions regarding political motivations is wrong for either side of the political spectrum at this point in the investigation.

I have found a few things out:

1. This chap apparently has a history of aberrant behaviour

2. His firearm (Glock 19) was purchased legally around Nov 30 as was his high capacity mag (30 round)

3. He, apparently, failed the unrinalysis when he tried to join the US Army in 2008

4. He is not currently talking to the police

5. The situation was ended, in part, by two heroic individuals who acted quickly and may have actually interfered with his ability to keep shooting (conflicting reports of interfereing with his magazine replacement)

6. The alleged perpetrator has been in trouble with the law in the past but his infractions have been nol prosed or reduced. (This could be very important but I will withhold the reason why until I get more information)

- - -

I will wait until I have further information to formulate other opinions.

However, I don't think that this will have any impact one way or the other regarding the 2nd amendment as that is settled law (DC Vs. Heller) and it is, after all, an individual (again - Heller) right as are all rights under the bill of rights.

Actually, I agree with 968 as well that this need not be put down to one political view or another, just plain nuttery. On his weapon being purchased legally, was his past record or mental state on a database?

[Jimbeaux]

Ayahuasca said:

Jimbeaux said:

Ayahuasca said:

Jimbeaux said:

Bingone said:

I was watching the press conference with the local sheriff who seemed a thoroughly decent old guy. He said that Arizona was like the Mecca for bigotry. Not sure what he meant but the Mayor had a slightly 'softer' approach. Two members of the public brought the fecker down, one being a woman. It's a little ironic that his target took a bullet THROUGH the head and will survive whilst the 6 dead are, well..............dead, including a 9 year old girl.

This NRA boollocks about "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" has got to be shown for what it is. The constitutional right to bear arms has been abused for generations, it was only ever meant to protect America as a land, not individuals land as it is now interpreted. Charlton Heston and his cronies in the NRA have a lot of blood on their hands as far as I'm concerned and the sooner the big boys in American legislature grow some balls and rebut this ridiculous 'interpretation' of the constitution the better.

That moose hunting backwater sow Sarah Palin wants a good hiding as well for the leaflets her 'campaign' has produced which actually showed Giffords behind the crosshairs as a target! Erm, hello!!!! There are nutters out there with guns!!

Another sad day for the world's largest democracy.

Can you get anymore brainwashed and ignorant??

Which part is brainwashed and ignorant?

Which part is not is a shorter task. For him to interpret what our amendments should mean is arrogant. To categorize hunters as ignorant and bloodthirsty indicate a lack of understanding of a country and its traditions that should raise the irony flag.

But I believe he is correct in that the 'right to bear arms' has been abused. It was introduced in 1791 when many things - including, for instance, slavery - were legal; I am sure you agree that times have since moved on. I do not believe it is arrogance to gently point this out.

Sarah Palin did put out publicity material with crosshairs representing Gifford (as well as some other 'targets'). I am sure she regrets this now but, as our man said, there are definitely a lot of nutters with guns in the USA. Maybe it would be wise to introduce mandatory pyschological testing in order to qualify for gun ownership?

Logical arguments. However, I do not agree that the 2nd amendment has been "abused". Gun ownership has without question been abused by various individuals, yes.

[ErnestM]

Jimbeaux said:

ErnestM said:

I have to say that on this thread I have found 968's posts to be balanced and reasonable. I agree with him that jumping to conclusions regarding political motivations is wrong for either side of the political spectrum at this point in the investigation.

I have found a few things out:

1. This chap apparently has a history of aberrant behaviour

2. His firearm (Glock 19) was purchased legally around Nov 30 as was his high capacity mag (30 round)

3. He, apparently, failed the unrinalysis when he tried to join the US Army in 2008

4. He is not currently talking to the police

5. The situation was ended, in part, by two heroic individuals who acted quickly and may have actually interfered with his ability to keep shooting (conflicting reports of interfereing with his magazine replacement)

6. The alleged perpetrator has been in trouble with the law in the past but his infractions have been nol prosed or reduced. (This could be very important but I will withhold the reason why until I get more information)

- - -

I will wait until I have further information to formulate other opinions.

However, I don't think that this will have any impact one way or the other regarding the 2nd amendment as that is settled law (DC Vs. Heller) and it is, after all, an individual (again - Heller) right as are all rights under the bill of rights.

Actually, I agree with 968 as well that this need not be put down to one political view or another, just plain nuttery. On his weapon being purchased legally, was his past record or mental state on a database?

See item 6 above - no. All dismissed or "reduced" by the justice system. If they don't convict (or don't record, or whatever the AZ equivelant is of section 8ing him) then there is nothing there to "hit"

The rules for weapon purchase are good. They are, however, subject to the vagaries of judicial whim.

[Jimbeaux]

ErnestM said:

Jimbeaux said:

ErnestM said:

I have to say that on this thread I have found 968's posts to be balanced and reasonable. I agree with him that jumping to conclusions regarding political motivations is wrong for either side of the political spectrum at this point in the investigation.

I have found a few things out:

1. This chap apparently has a history of aberrant behaviour

2. His firearm (Glock 19) was purchased legally around Nov 30 as was his high capacity mag (30 round)

3. He, apparently, failed the unrinalysis when he tried to join the US Army in 2008

4. He is not currently talking to the police

5. The situation was ended, in part, by two heroic individuals who acted quickly and may have actually interfered with his ability to keep shooting (conflicting reports of interfereing with his magazine replacement)

6. The alleged perpetrator has been in trouble with the law in the past but his infractions have been nol prosed or reduced. (This could be very important but I will withhold the reason why until I get more information)

- - -

I will wait until I have further information to formulate other opinions.

However, I don't think that this will have any impact one way or the other regarding the 2nd amendment as that is settled law (DC Vs. Heller) and it is, after all, an individual (again - Heller) right as are all rights under the bill of rights.

Actually, I agree with 968 as well that this need not be put down to one political view or another, just plain nuttery. On his weapon being purchased legally, was his past record or mental state on a database?

See item 6 above - no. All dismissed or "reduced" by the justice system. If they don't convict (or don't record, or whatever the AZ equivelant is of section 8ing him, then there is nothing there to "hit")

The rules for weapon purchase are good. They are, however, subject to the vagaries of judicial whim.

Thus the point you wanted to touch upon later, I see. Another reason not to go soft on criminals once they are caught.

[968]

ErnestM said:

Jimbeaux said:

ErnestM said:

I have to say that on this thread I have found 968's posts to be balanced and reasonable. I agree with him that jumping to conclusions regarding political motivations is wrong for either side of the political spectrum at this point in the investigation.

I have found a few things out:

1. This chap apparently has a history of aberrant behaviour

2. His firearm (Glock 19) was purchased legally around Nov 30 as was his high capacity mag (30 round)

3. He, apparently, failed the unrinalysis when he tried to join the US Army in 2008

4. He is not currently talking to the police

5. The situation was ended, in part, by two heroic individuals who acted quickly and may have actually interfered with his ability to keep shooting (conflicting reports of interfereing with his magazine replacement)

6. The alleged perpetrator has been in trouble with the law in the past but his infractions have been nol prosed or reduced. (This could be very important but I will withhold the reason why until I get more information)

- - -

I will wait until I have further information to formulate other opinions.

However, I don't think that this will have any impact one way or the other regarding the 2nd amendment as that is settled law (DC Vs. Heller) and it is, after all, an individual (again - Heller) right as are all rights under the bill of rights.

Actually, I agree with 968 as well that this need not be put down to one political view or another, just plain nuttery. On his weapon being purchased legally, was his past record or mental state on a database?

See item 6 above - no. All dismissed or "reduced" by the justice system. If they don't convict (or don't record, or whatever the AZ equivelant is of section 8ing him) then there is nothing there to "hit"

The rules for weapon purchase are good. They are, however, subject to the vagaries of judicial whim.

This is perhaps the key issue then. How was it that all info was not disclosed when he purchased his firearm? The other issue is that it seems that his behaviour was known to be more than odd, at school etc, I wonder if agencoes could've intervened to provide help earlier.

[ErnestM]

968 said:

This is perhaps the key issue then. How was it that all info was not disclosed when he purchased his firearm? The other issue is that it seems that his behaviour was known to be more than odd, at school etc, I wonder if agencoes could've intervened to provide help earlier.

Yes. If somebody had referred his behaviour to the authorities and they had performed an on the record phsyc evaluation of him, that would have helped. Also, he was convicted of midemeanor "posession of drug paraphernalia". Usually, that is a first offender reduction from felony drug possesion in most jurisdictions. Again, had he been convicted of a felony, chances are he would not have passed the background check.

I think that we are going to see that this is a disturbed individual and that this event was the culmination of the unintended consequences of leniency and a certain amount of apathy on the parts of those people (his school instructor when he continually interupted class, prosecuting attorneies, etc) that could have made a difference.

I will, of course, revise my opinions if other information becomes available.

[968]

ErnestM said:

968 said:

This is perhaps the key issue then. How was it that all info was not disclosed when he purchased his firearm? The other issue is that it seems that his behaviour was known to be more than odd, at school etc, I wonder if agencoes could've intervened to provide help earlier.

Yes. If somebody had referred his behaviour to the authorities and they had performed an on the record phsyc evaluation of him, that would have helped. Also, he was convicted of midemeanor "posession of drug paraphernalia". Usually, that is a first offender reduction from felony drug possesion in most jurisdictions. Again, had he been convicted of a felony, chances are he would not have passed the background check.

I think that we are going to see that this is a disturbed individual and that this event was the culmination of the unintended consequences of leniency and a certain amount of apathy on the parts of those people (his school instructor when he continually interupted class, prosecuting attorneies, etc) that could have made a difference.

I will, of course, revise my opinions if other information becomes available.

Quite correct. The full enquiry will be most illuminating, and will I suspect throw the spotlight on many missed opportunities. I wonder though whether such community events should have some level of security attached to prevent a shooter getting within a few feet of a public figure? I don't know how it works over there but aren't audiences searched?

[ErnestM]

968 said:

Quite correct. The full enquiry will be most illuminating, and will I suspect throw the spotlight on many missed opportunities. I wonder though whether such community events should have some level of security attached to prevent a shooter getting within a few feet of a public figure? I don't know how it works over there but aren't audiences searched?

This was an announced "chat with the community" type thing. Most House Members have trouble even getting people to show up at these things. That being said, it depends on the community. In Orlando, I know that OPD (Orlando Police Dept) or the Orange County sherrif's office ususally has some officers in attendance. There could not have been too big of a crowd if he was able to get through it quickly with a drawn gun (and a G19 with a 30 round mag sticking out is (a)hard to conceal and (b)unmistakeably a weapon)

By the way. Heroes:

Washington Post Article