Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 11

[csd19]

Master Of Puppets said:

Vanden Saab said:

Written by someone with the thinking ability of an 11 year old.

That gives us a lot of scope for the potential SNP / Green culprit.

Is that before or after they've been groomed?

[Master Of Puppets]

Not sure about the validity of this but if true it would not surprise me at all.

Anyone buying or selling a house in the countryside / rural area could soon have to go through an official vetting process under plans
being considered by you know who, the proposal being examined by that bastion of terminal BS could give authorities the power to veto
the sale or purchase if it doesn't meet a 'public interest' test.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnodihJXoAElgwv?format...

[Roderick Spode]

Master Of Puppets said:

Not sure about the validity of this but if true it would not surprise me at all.

Anyone buying or selling a house in the countryside / rural area could soon have to go through an official vetting process under plans
being considered by you know who, the proposal being examined by that bastion of terminal BS could give authorities the power to veto
the sale or purchase if it doesn't meet a 'public interest' test.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnodihJXoAElgwv?format...

The SNP and their racist supporters have past form in this area.

I'm sure this proposed power won't be abused in any way to exclude certain demographics from purchasing property in rural Scotland...

Article said:

A racist Scottish nationalist once linked to a notorious tartan terrorist has passed the SNP’s vetting process for council candidates.

Sonja Cameron was suspended from the party for two years – but later let back in – after a court conviction over her role in sinister anti-English group Settler Watch.

The small, shadowy group of extremists ran a hate campaign against English people who moved to Scotland, branding them “white settlers” and ordering them to go back where they came from.

Racist posters appeared on Deeside and homes in Inverness were daubed with graffiti. Settler Watch bigots also sent abusive mail to English people and threatened families.

Cameron landed in the dock in 1993 after police on Deeside caught her in a car loaded with 300 Settler Watch posters.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/s...

[Viper201]

Welcome to the all inclusive, friendly country with a rich history of education, writers, tolerance and understanding....



.... or maybe not.

[SpeckledJim]

Roderick Spode said:

Master Of Puppets said:

Not sure about the validity of this but if true it would not surprise me at all.

Anyone buying or selling a house in the countryside / rural area could soon have to go through an official vetting process under plans
being considered by you know who, the proposal being examined by that bastion of terminal BS could give authorities the power to veto
the sale or purchase if it doesn't meet a 'public interest' test.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnodihJXoAElgwv?format...

The SNP and their racist supporters have past form in this area.

I'm sure this proposed power won't be abused in any way to exclude certain demographics from purchasing property in rural Scotland...

Article said:

A racist Scottish nationalist once linked to a notorious tartan terrorist has passed the SNP’s vetting process for council candidates.

Sonja Cameron was suspended from the party for two years – but later let back in – after a court conviction over her role in sinister anti-English group Settler Watch.

The small, shadowy group of extremists ran a hate campaign against English people who moved to Scotland, branding them “white settlers” and ordering them to go back where they came from.

Racist posters appeared on Deeside and homes in Inverness were daubed with graffiti. Settler Watch bigots also sent abusive mail to English people and threatened families.

Cameron landed in the dock in 1993 after police on Deeside caught her in a car loaded with 300 Settler Watch posters.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/s...

Play it canny.

Let her get elected first, watch carefully for the inevitable hate speech (or worse), then put her on all the front pages. Ideally with a nice photo of her shaking hands with Nicola.

Maybe a handy pamphlet along the lines of Racist Loonies & Me: This Kind of Thing is My Bag, Baby

Edited by SpeckledJim on Monday 30th January 11:43

[sherman]

Just a basic background check by the snp would show that this is not a suitable candidate to try and get elected.
The mud that will get dragged up by the opposition will be crazy.

[csd19]

sherman said:

Just a basic background check by the snp would show that this is not a suitable candidate to try and get elected.
The mud that will get dragged up by the opposition will be crazy.

Going by the number of SNP members making their way on to the front pages over the years for sex pest offences, fraud etc I think the only thing the SNP does as a background check is to ensure you have actually done something dodgy.

[emicen]

Klippie said:

First of me seeing this - https://www.transport.gov.scot/media/50872/a-route...

These fkers are after our cars now.

Just for entertainment, I did a quick check on what it would mean to give up taking the car to work. Not going to quote postcodes obviously, but I live on the western side of Whitburn and work near Eurocentral.

It is 12.0 miles door to door, googlemaps says 15min which is pretty much spot on. Couple of trucks elephant racing up the hill past the services and another set doing the same down the hill after the Kirk will add a minute at most. Any accidents on the M8, the 11.2 mile backroad alternative comes in to play and its 17min.

But what if I cared about the planet enough to use public transport? Well, we have no park and ride or “public transport hub” as the decade old planning consent called it. Our wonderful SNP controlled council has deigned to kick that can down the road until another ~250 houses are built or 2025 arrives, whichever happens first.

My options are therefore quite challenging, as no local bus company crosses from West Lothian in to Lanarkshire at that time in the morning. Picking the ‘best’ of the 3 routes suggested and needing to arrive in work for a 7am start time:

• Leave my house 4:34am [yes, really]
• 5min walk to the appropriate bus stop
• 31min bus ride [Bus company #1 - £4 day ticket]
• 9min wait at the hospital in Livingston
• 7min bus ride [Bus company #2 - £1.80 each way]
• 11min walk through a scheme, over a railway then along a path dividing some woods with the back of an industrial estate
• 27min wait at Deer Park
• 26min on the 900 bus, meaning that at approximately 6:15am I would be passing my house on the M8, having spent 1hr and 41min going in the opposite direction to my work [Bus company #3 - £8.10 single, £10 return]
• 10min wait at Maxim Business Park
• 5min bus ride [Bus company #4 - £1.80 each way]
• 8min walk to work arriving at 6:53am

At 45ppm my commute costs me £5.40 and 17mins of my life, the public transport being £15.70 and 2hrs 19min.

The journey home is more sensible though, it only takes 56mins with a walk at each end, a ride with bus company #5 then transferring to Bus company #1, but needing to add another zone of travel

[ZedLeg]

emicen said:

Klippie said:

First of me seeing this - https://www.transport.gov.scot/media/50872/a-route...

These fkers are after our cars now.

Just for entertainment, I did a quick check on what it would mean to give up taking the car to work. Not going to quote postcodes obviously, but I live on the western side of Whitburn and work near Eurocentral.

It is 12.0 miles door to door, googlemaps says 15min which is pretty much spot on. Couple of trucks elephant racing up the hill past the services and another set doing the same down the hill after the Kirk will add a minute at most. Any accidents on the M8, the 11.2 mile backroad alternative comes in to play and its 17min.

But what if I cared about the planet enough to use public transport? Well, we have no park and ride or “public transport hub” as the decade old planning consent called it. Our wonderful SNP controlled council has deigned to kick that can down the road until another ~250 houses are built or 2025 arrives, whichever happens first.

My options are therefore quite challenging, as no local bus company crosses from West Lothian in to Lanarkshire at that time in the morning. Picking the ‘best’ of the 3 routes suggested and needing to arrive in work for a 7am start time:

• Leave my house 4:34am [yes, really]
• 5min walk to the appropriate bus stop
• 31min bus ride [Bus company #1 - £4 day ticket]
• 9min wait at the hospital in Livingston
• 7min bus ride [Bus company #2 - £1.80 each way]
• 11min walk through a scheme, over a railway then along a path dividing some woods with the back of an industrial estate
• 27min wait at Deer Park
• 26min on the 900 bus, meaning that at approximately 6:15am I would be passing my house on the M8, having spent 1hr and 41min going in the opposite direction to my work [Bus company #3 - £8.10 single, £10 return]
• 10min wait at Maxim Business Park
• 5min bus ride [Bus company #4 - £1.80 each way]
• 8min walk to work arriving at 6:53am

At 45ppm my commute costs me £5.40 and 17mins of my life, the public transport being £15.70 and 2hrs 19min.

The journey home is more sensible though, it only takes 56mins with a walk at each end, a ride with bus company #5 then transferring to Bus company #1, but needing to add another zone of travel

Obviously doesn't work for you, doesn't mean that it won't work for anyone.

We need to do some proper work on our public transport network but most people could cut back their car use to some degree. Not because the evil nats want us to but just because it's a good idea.

[Dinoboy]

Working from home could be encouraged more, I work in the public sector and many are in the office who could easily be WFH.

[moanthebairns]

ZedLeg said:

emicen said:

Klippie said:

First of me seeing this - https://www.transport.gov.scot/media/50872/a-route...

These fkers are after our cars now.

Just for entertainment, I did a quick check on what it would mean to give up taking the car to work. Not going to quote postcodes obviously, but I live on the western side of Whitburn and work near Eurocentral.

It is 12.0 miles door to door, googlemaps says 15min which is pretty much spot on. Couple of trucks elephant racing up the hill past the services and another set doing the same down the hill after the Kirk will add a minute at most. Any accidents on the M8, the 11.2 mile backroad alternative comes in to play and its 17min.

But what if I cared about the planet enough to use public transport? Well, we have no park and ride or “public transport hub” as the decade old planning consent called it. Our wonderful SNP controlled council has deigned to kick that can down the road until another ~250 houses are built or 2025 arrives, whichever happens first.

My options are therefore quite challenging, as no local bus company crosses from West Lothian in to Lanarkshire at that time in the morning. Picking the ‘best’ of the 3 routes suggested and needing to arrive in work for a 7am start time:

• Leave my house 4:34am [yes, really]
• 5min walk to the appropriate bus stop
• 31min bus ride [Bus company #1 - £4 day ticket]
• 9min wait at the hospital in Livingston
• 7min bus ride [Bus company #2 - £1.80 each way]
• 11min walk through a scheme, over a railway then along a path dividing some woods with the back of an industrial estate
• 27min wait at Deer Park
• 26min on the 900 bus, meaning that at approximately 6:15am I would be passing my house on the M8, having spent 1hr and 41min going in the opposite direction to my work [Bus company #3 - £8.10 single, £10 return]
• 10min wait at Maxim Business Park
• 5min bus ride [Bus company #4 - £1.80 each way]
• 8min walk to work arriving at 6:53am

At 45ppm my commute costs me £5.40 and 17mins of my life, the public transport being £15.70 and 2hrs 19min.

The journey home is more sensible though, it only takes 56mins with a walk at each end, a ride with bus company #5 then transferring to Bus company #1, but needing to add another zone of travel

Obviously doesn't work for you, doesn't mean that it won't work for anyone.

We need to do some proper work on our public transport network but most people could cut back their car use to some degree. Not because the evil nats want us to but just because it's a good idea.

Remember this, not sure if any council went ahead with it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-po...

I'm similar to the above poster, Falkirk - Dunfermline, less than 30 mins on the bike, 35-40 min in the van, or 1hr 45 mins via public transport, and at least double the price.

[munroman]

https://twitter.com/shiny02/status/161981950860423...

[sherman]

ZedLeg said:

emicen said:

Klippie said:

First of me seeing this - https://www.transport.gov.scot/media/50872/a-route...

These fkers are after our cars now.

Just for entertainment, I did a quick check on what it would mean to give up taking the car to work. Not going to quote postcodes obviously, but I live on the western side of Whitburn and work near Eurocentral.

It is 12.0 miles door to door, googlemaps says 15min which is pretty much spot on. Couple of trucks elephant racing up the hill past the services and another set doing the same down the hill after the Kirk will add a minute at most. Any accidents on the M8, the 11.2 mile backroad alternative comes in to play and its 17min.

But what if I cared about the planet enough to use public transport? Well, we have no park and ride or “public transport hub” as the decade old planning consent called it. Our wonderful SNP controlled council has deigned to kick that can down the road until another ~250 houses are built or 2025 arrives, whichever happens first.

My options are therefore quite challenging, as no local bus company crosses from West Lothian in to Lanarkshire at that time in the morning. Picking the ‘best’ of the 3 routes suggested and needing to arrive in work for a 7am start time:

• Leave my house 4:34am [yes, really]
• 5min walk to the appropriate bus stop
• 31min bus ride [Bus company #1 - £4 day ticket]
• 9min wait at the hospital in Livingston
• 7min bus ride [Bus company #2 - £1.80 each way]
• 11min walk through a scheme, over a railway then along a path dividing some woods with the back of an industrial estate
• 27min wait at Deer Park
• 26min on the 900 bus, meaning that at approximately 6:15am I would be passing my house on the M8, having spent 1hr and 41min going in the opposite direction to my work [Bus company #3 - £8.10 single, £10 return]
• 10min wait at Maxim Business Park
• 5min bus ride [Bus company #4 - £1.80 each way]
• 8min walk to work arriving at 6:53am

At 45ppm my commute costs me £5.40 and 17mins of my life, the public transport being £15.70 and 2hrs 19min.

The journey home is more sensible though, it only takes 56mins with a walk at each end, a ride with bus company #5 then transferring to Bus company #1, but needing to add another zone of travel

Obviously doesn't work for you, doesn't mean that it won't work for anyone.

We need to do some proper work on our public transport network but most people could cut back their car use to some degree. Not because the evil nats want us to but just because it's a good idea.

In comparison. I do outskirts of Edinburgh to central old town Edinburgh.
20 mins on the bus (up to 1 hour in traffic but thats not often). Can get 7 bus routes from essentially my house. £1.80 each way or in my case £56 for unlimited travel a month. First bus is 5.30 am l, last bus is heading for 4am.

Parking outside my work would be £4.90ph.

Edinburghs bus service is really good though.

Also theres a scotmid 2 streets away and a morrison 10mins away.

[ZedLeg]

I think everyone could learn from LRT buses tbh, not so much the trams though

[KingNothing]

Order66 said:

Glasgow has a nice bit?

I'd say the road out of it, but that would be a lie as we managed to wipe out two tyres on a pothole the last time we were in Glasgow.

[Ian974]

It's very much hit and miss depending on what you're trying to do.
The train works great for me getting to the city centre in Aberdeen in less than 10 minutes provided they're not on strike.
Getting to work though? What takes about 10-15 minutes in the car would take an hour and a half on public transport each way. Why would I want to add an extra 2 and a half hours onto my day?

[alangla]

sherman said:

In comparison. I do outskirts of Edinburgh to central old town Edinburgh.
20 mins on the bus (up to 1 hour in traffic but thats not often). Can get 7 bus routes from essentially my house. £1.80 each way or in my case £56 for unlimited travel a month. First bus is 5.30 am l, last bus is heading for 4am.

Parking outside my work would be £4.90ph.

Edinburghs bus service is really good though.

Also theres a scotmid 2 streets away and a morrison 10mins away.

Which rather speaks to the point I made earlier, you’re in the fortunate situation of basically living in a 20 minute neighbourhood already and have decent public transport available. The civil servants that wrote that document probably live in a similar situation to you. As other posters have pointed out, that’s not the case for the majority of people living in Scotland. Probably not even the case for the majority of people in Glasgow given the locations of the housing vs shops etc. Also doesn’t help that in significant parts of Glasgow, ScotRail supply the better public transport, but this mob have cut the service on things like the western side of the Cathcart circle to 1 train an hour.

Edited by alangla on Monday 30th January 16:12

[sherman]

alangla said:

sherman said:

In comparison. I do outskirts of Edinburgh to central old town Edinburgh.
20 mins on the bus (up to 1 hour in traffic but thats not often). Can get 7 bus routes from essentially my house. £1.80 each way or in my case £56 for unlimited travel a month. First bus is 5.30 am l, last bus is heading for 4am.

Parking outside my work would be £4.90ph.

Edinburghs bus service is really good though.

Also theres a scotmid 2 streets away and a morrison 10mins away.

Which rather speaks to the point I made earlier, you’re in the fortunate situation of basically living in a 20 minute neighbourhood already and have decent public transport available. The civil servants that wrote that document probably live in a similar situation to you. As other posters have pointed out, that’s not the case for the majority of people living in Scotland. Probably not even the case for the majority of people in Glasgow given the locations of the housing vs shops etc. Also doesn’t help that in significant parts of Glasgow, ScotRail supply the better public transport, but this mob have cut the service on things like the western side of the Cathcart circle to 1 train an hour.

Edited by alangla on Monday 30th January 16:12

Its almost like I made sure I could get to and from where I work when I purchased my house.
Also why I chose Edinburgh over Glasgow when I had the choice of where to live and put down roots.
Glasgows infastructure is awful in comparison to Edinburghs.
There could be such a great system but theres too many companies competing with each other. to be succesful.
Why for instance is the subway(SPT) and Scotrail a different company when they are both owned by the Scottish government?
You would think that could be intrrgrated at least.

[dxg]

Master Of Puppets said:

Not sure about the validity of this but if true it would not surprise me at all.

Anyone buying or selling a house in the countryside / rural area could soon have to go through an official vetting process under plans
being considered by you know who, the proposal being examined by that bastion of terminal BS could give authorities the power to veto
the sale or purchase if it doesn't meet a 'public interest' test.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnodihJXoAElgwv?format...

Scottish homes for Scottish people.

Which is a real downer for people like me - Scots who currently find themselves outside Scotland and who want to return one day.

Although, also with today's rumours of a wealth tax in addition to a council tax, this may start to look untenable.

(Which is a massive shame, as I miss the people...)

[Vanden Saab]

Peter Smith from ITV absolutely nailed Sturgeon to the wall...

https://twitter.com/PeterAdamSmith/status/16200516...

Sturgeon: “That is not the point that we are dealing with here… Trans women are women, but in the present context there is no automatic right for a trans woman…”
Smith: “So there are contexts where a trans woman is not a woman?”
Sturgeon: “No, there [are] circumstances when a trans woman will be housed in the male prison estate…”
Smith: “Is there any context in which a woman born as a woman will be housed in the male estate?”
Sturgeon: “Look, we’re talking here about trans women…”
Smith: “And I’m now asking about women born as women.”
Sturgeon: “I don’t think there are circumstances there, but…”
Smith: “So it’s different for trans women?”
Sturgeon: “Well, yes…”