Alan Hansen apologises for using the 'C' word on tele...
Discussion
The first time i ever got a proper punch in the face was after asking: "Who is that coloured boy over there?"
I had not seen him in the park before and he was rather talented on his BMX..
Another kid overheard this and ran up to him telling him how i was calling him a coloured boy.
Next thing i knew i had him and a few freinds crowding round me shouting at me, and he punched me in the mouth, quite hard.
I guess i needed an attitude re-adjustment.
Since then , I have tended to avoid 'that sort'.
ETA: now that i think about it, every time i have ever been threatened or indeed punched, it has been 'that sort' of person..It must be my fault after all
I had not seen him in the park before and he was rather talented on his BMX..
Another kid overheard this and ran up to him telling him how i was calling him a coloured boy.
Next thing i knew i had him and a few freinds crowding round me shouting at me, and he punched me in the mouth, quite hard.
I guess i needed an attitude re-adjustment.
Since then , I have tended to avoid 'that sort'.
ETA: now that i think about it, every time i have ever been threatened or indeed punched, it has been 'that sort' of person..It must be my fault after all
Edited by Shuvi Tupya on Saturday 24th December 12:51
ClintonB said:
However, at the same time, we live in a world of uneducated Meldrews (or Garnetts). Those who wish to carry the cross (any cross), but also the Asda-mong. I cringed when Wigan fans gave Suarez the bird - yes I'm fully aware why, but at the same time, Wigan is VERY white and not exactly short of BNP support. Still, intelligence is probably in shorter supply in 'ickle Wiggin than diversity.
Meldrew wasn't a bigot or a mong, he had heart.I thought I was the only one in the world who has NEVER been offended!
Here's a thought:
Someone of group 'A' (fat, jewish, ginger, pie key, whatever) gets offended if someone NOT from that group uses a specific term and insists that those NOT from that group use another term, i.e. insists that those NOT in group 'A' change their behaviour because they are from the wretched, filthy group 'B'.
Explain to me again who the racist is...?
Here's a thought:
Someone of group 'A' (fat, jewish, ginger, pie key, whatever) gets offended if someone NOT from that group uses a specific term and insists that those NOT from that group use another term, i.e. insists that those NOT in group 'A' change their behaviour because they are from the wretched, filthy group 'B'.
Explain to me again who the racist is...?
gowmonster said:
this is absolutely nuts.
I honestly can't remember the last time someone said something to me and I was offended.
Exactly, we live in a supposedly free society. You have to choose to take offence. You can just as easily choose to ignore it and render any intended or unintended slur completely impotent. Controlling what vocabulary people use in a perfectly non-prejudiced and non-threatening conversation is not a sign of a free society. Especially when you have politically correct organisations like the BBC updating a list of what they have ordained is 'offensive' on a more or less daily basis.I honestly can't remember the last time someone said something to me and I was offended.
Of course the vast majority of 'coloureds' are not offended, would not have even noticed. It is the politically correct bully-boys who enjoy the power of destroying other people who are outraged as self-appointed proxies without consulting or representing the views of the groups they are supposedly championing.
shauniebabes said:
Its an indoctrination manual for Honkys only, used for kowtowing to every flecking minority or disability on the planet.No matter what the Honky says he has to be judged on every word they say & don't they know it. They're the only people who have to walk on eggshells 24/7.
69 coupe said:
Its an indoctrination manual for Honkys only, used for kowtowing to every flecking minority or disability on the planet.
No matter what the Honky says he has to be judged on every word they say & don't they know it. They're the only people who have to walk on eggshells 24/7.
The guideline seems quite useful for understanding how not to give offence unintentionally, I'm a bit confused by section 6.4 though, why Rotherham ? Is there some subtle innuendo here that's lost on me ? is it ok to pick on people from there ? is it because Jeremy Clarkson grew up in the area ? No matter what the Honky says he has to be judged on every word they say & don't they know it. They're the only people who have to walk on eggshells 24/7.
As a ginger, you can call me a useless, fat ginger c**t or whatever you like - but only if I am! I won't be offended by that.
Down in Cornwall they still have "Darkie Day" ... and in a town a few miles from me they have this Straw Bear which is a bloke with straw tied on him which they then lead through the town in early January I think, by a chain. Then they set fire to him. Poor bloke. Oh, the bloke might have got out of the costume by that point. Is that offensive to bears? or straw?
And do we care?
Now people who have a black and a white parent are no longer called half-castes as my dad would have called them, and no longer mixed race - it's *dual-heritage* now isn't it or some such b
ks.
http://www.strawbear.org.uk/
Down in Cornwall they still have "Darkie Day" ... and in a town a few miles from me they have this Straw Bear which is a bloke with straw tied on him which they then lead through the town in early January I think, by a chain. Then they set fire to him. Poor bloke. Oh, the bloke might have got out of the costume by that point. Is that offensive to bears? or straw?
And do we care?
Now people who have a black and a white parent are no longer called half-castes as my dad would have called them, and no longer mixed race - it's *dual-heritage* now isn't it or some such b
ks.http://www.strawbear.org.uk/
uk66fastback said:
As a ginger, you can call me a useless, fat ginger c**t or whatever you like - but only if I am! I won't be offended by that.
Down in Cornwall they still have "Darkie Day" ... and in a town a few miles from me they have this Straw Bear which is a bloke with straw tied on him which they then lead through the town in early January I think, by a chain. Then they set fire to him. Poor bloke. Oh, the bloke might have got out of the costume by that point. Is that offensive to bears? or straw?
And do we care?
Now people who have a black and a white parent are no longer called half-castes as my dad would have called them, and no longer mixed race - it's *dual-heritage* now isn't it or some such bks.
http://www.strawbear.org.uk/
"Oh God! Oh Jesus Christ!"Down in Cornwall they still have "Darkie Day" ... and in a town a few miles from me they have this Straw Bear which is a bloke with straw tied on him which they then lead through the town in early January I think, by a chain. Then they set fire to him. Poor bloke. Oh, the bloke might have got out of the costume by that point. Is that offensive to bears? or straw?
And do we care?
Now people who have a black and a white parent are no longer called half-castes as my dad would have called them, and no longer mixed race - it's *dual-heritage* now isn't it or some such b
ks.http://www.strawbear.org.uk/
Mr GrimNasty said:
You have to choose to take offence.
Disagree - surely we can all shrug some thigns off (and coloured is probably oen of them) - but somethings you cannot shrug off - essentially it comes down to what kidn of a person you are and what kind of background/experiences you have - but I disagree with your blanket statement.Mojooo said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
You have to choose to take offence.
Disagree - surely we can all shrug some thigns off (and coloured is probably oen of them) - but somethings you cannot shrug off - essentially it comes down to what kidn of a person you are and what kind of background/experiences you have - but I disagree with your blanket statement.turbobloke said:
If so or if not, a person making a comment 'innocently' as I accept Hansen did, has no way of knowing in advance who will be offended and who won't. The notion that being offended is a fault of the speaker or writer is effectively engineering universal and perpetual guilt which is a nonsense. In terms of the choice above, there is another step: a) don't let yourself be offended...but then b) if the first option fails, get over it. Freedom of speech is more valuable and should not be lost, though it's well on the way out already.
Depends somewhat on the likeliness the useage of the word to offend surely. 'Coloured' is probably low, 'smelly N word' is probably somewhat higher to offend.I agree that Hansen did it innocently but my point is, if someone doesn't do it innocently I think its wrong to thing some people cannot help but be offended - I spose that is where being smart and tacful with your comments comes in (if you so wish).
I daresay on reflection, if Hansen had tiem to consider his comemnt he woudln't have used coloured anyway because there might a) be some who get offended b) the press would be all over him anyway.
Mojooo said:
turbobloke said:
If so or if not, a person making a comment 'innocently' as I accept Hansen did, has no way of knowing in advance who will be offended and who won't. The notion that being offended is a fault of the speaker or writer is effectively engineering universal and perpetual guilt which is a nonsense. In terms of the choice above, there is another step: a) don't let yourself be offended...but then b) if the first option fails, get over it. Freedom of speech is more valuable and should not be lost, though it's well on the way out already.
Depends somewhat on the likeliness the useage of the word to offend surely. 'Coloured' is probably low, 'smelly N word' is probably somewhat higher to offend.Mojooo said:
I daresay on reflection, if Hansen had tiem to consider his comemnt he woudln't have used coloured anyway because there might a) be some who get offended b) the press would be all over him anyway.
The media is only reflecting the fevered over-reaction of the victim industry.If somebody is out to say something denigrating they identify themselves as the loser, game over already.
Edited by turbobloke on Saturday 24th December 17:01
Mojooo said:
Disagree - surely we can all shrug some thigns off (and coloured is probably oen of them) - but somethings you cannot shrug off - essentially it comes down to what kidn of a person you are and what kind of background/experiences you have - but I disagree with your blanket statement.
Yes, but it's YOUR problem if you find offence in ordinary conversation. Every spoken word has the potential to offend someone somewhere. You have to modify your attitudes. Not punish/control/legislate the entire world to accommodate your over sensitivity.turbobloke said:
How does a word remove freedom of choice from the listener?
Isnt that my point though - some people dont have the choice BUT to be offended by certain phrases or words - some may contain their feelings and others wont.Edited by turbobloke on Saturday 24th December 17:01
Maybe we should be man enough to not react to things that may cause us offence (I think that is part of your point?) - but we know we live in a world where have people who don't or for some reason cannot. Therefore we have to live with it to some extent. Some people willsay whatever they want regardless and others won't.
Sometimes you may say things you know will cause offences, its just a question of weighing up whether the benefits of saying it outweight any negatives of offending someone.
Mr GrimNasty said:
Yes, but it's YOUR problem if you find offence in ordinary conversation. Every spoken word has the potential to offend somone somewhere. You have to modify your attitudes. Not punish/control/legislate the entire world to accommodate your over sensitivity.
Agree, but your post somewhat implied we have a choice to be offended.Maybe we don't have a choice to be offended but we do have a choice in how we control our ractions - some more than others though - which is perhaps the issue.
Mojooo said:
turbobloke said:
How does a word remove freedom of choice from the listener?
Isnt that my point though - some people dont have the choice BUT to be offended by certain phrases or words - some may contain their feelings and others wont.
but this signifies what's wrong with the taking offence issue, as adults should be in control of their reactions to a spoken word. Not to be in control is immature in a matter of fact way, hardly the fault of a speaker saying something that had absolutely no intention of causing distress.zip929 said:
Thom987 said:
Reading the title of the thread you would think Hansen called someone a . Will this polically correct madness ever stop?
Well said. It is now totally over the top.. Will this polically correct madness ever stop? If there was no internet it would have blown over very quickly IMO.
Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff