Opposite views to PH majority
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Einion Yrth said:
TTwiggy said:
How about responding with the traditional tools of debate then, and use words rather than pictures? That way you're more likely to be understood.
I am now using words: my first response was apparently worth a thousand of them, if that old saw is to be given any credence. 
Frankly given the thinly veiled unpleasantness which has been pretty much the entirety of TKF's "contribution" to the UKIP thread I assumed that anyone professing to offer support for him would be of the same bile flecked mien, perhaps I was wrong; certainly I don't believe he deserves anyone's support.
TTwiggy said:
I only pop in and out of that thread (not least due to some of the abuse I received on there in volume one or two.) Ironically, I only posted to say that I felt a bit sorry for Nige over the Evan Davies interview. As a result, I started reading the 'tattoo' debacle. I'm not in a position to comment on anything TKF may have posted to make him 'deserve' this treatment, but, IMHO, it went on for far too long and was really rather nastly and pointless - and even some of the 'Kippers seemed to agree that it was derailing the thread.
Oh I agree that it was derailing the thread but I was absolutely gobsmacked by TKF's accusation of trolling. It was hypocritical in the extreme.otolith said:
Hang on, are you saying that it's bullying and shouting into submission if you say something that a number of people take issue with?
Er... no. I think that what I said was that insisting someone answer a point that was never raised in the first place, while other posters pile in with what amounts to that bit in Simpsons cartoons where the big kid goes 'haha', is probably what many people will see as bullying.Bradgate said:
I’m a pinko Guardian-reading liberal, and I sometimes join the debate in the N, P & E forums to amuse myself.
The almost complete lack of self-awareness among the ultra right-wing, libertarian, free-market fundamentalist uber-Thatcherites is fascinating.
They are so detached from most people’s reality that they genuinely don’t appear to understand that their views represent a very small minority of public opinion, that very few women share their views, that £70k is not a normal salary and that most ordinary people regard someone on £150k+ as rich.
As someone who's 33, the Thatcher obsession of the left is beyond weird - an era some 35-25 years ago with people having to be born a further 18 years before then to vote.The almost complete lack of self-awareness among the ultra right-wing, libertarian, free-market fundamentalist uber-Thatcherites is fascinating.
They are so detached from most people’s reality that they genuinely don’t appear to understand that their views represent a very small minority of public opinion, that very few women share their views, that £70k is not a normal salary and that most ordinary people regard someone on £150k+ as rich.
Poor John Major, where did it all go wrong for him? Even Tony Blair hardly gets a look in these days unless someone's trying to arrest him for war crimes.
Bradgate said:
I’m a pinko Guardian-reading liberal, and I sometimes join the debate in the N, P & E forums to amuse myself.
The almost complete lack of self-awareness among the ultra right-wing, libertarian, free-market fundamentalist uber-Thatcherites is fascinating.
They are so detached from most people’s reality that they genuinely don’t appear to understand that their views represent a very small minority of public opinion, that very few women share their views, that £70k is not a normal salary and that most ordinary people regard someone on £150k+ as rich.
For someone berating others lack of self awareness I'm just loving the delusional arrogance. How wonderful that you deign to impart your wisdom here. The almost complete lack of self-awareness among the ultra right-wing, libertarian, free-market fundamentalist uber-Thatcherites is fascinating.
They are so detached from most people’s reality that they genuinely don’t appear to understand that their views represent a very small minority of public opinion, that very few women share their views, that £70k is not a normal salary and that most ordinary people regard someone on £150k+ as rich.
Cheese Mechanic said:
I have to say, that my attitude toward the Labour Party/Socialist left is entirely a product of my experience of them over the years. They are nasty envy, spite driven people, who with typical hypocrisy expect respect for themselves, but give none in return. They are also not beyond violence, if things do not go their way, as we saw in numerous industrial disputes over the years, and all too often at "demonstrations" . Having said that of course, their political ethos came out of violence, violent revolution, so bang to type.
Nice that you are not stereotyping anyone. And relieved to know that the right are never, ever violent in demonstrations. Must have been all left/pinko/communists/socialists/vaguely left of centre/not 1922 committee material whom I policed most weeks on demos in London.Edited by Cheese Mechanic on Wednesday 29th April 12:38
The ethos of the labour movement did not come from violent revolution. I suggest you look up the history books, especially the more modern ones. Many suggest the chartists, a sort of change.org of the old days, were the real beginning of the labour movement.
Of course, there was the Peterloo massacre when around 15 people threw themselves onto the swords of The Manchester and Salford Yeomanry Cavalry, and hundreds of other people were injured in the charge. Damned left wingers. And all this just because they didn't have the vote and wanted a change to the Corn Laws just because many were starving.
I read The Times. That does not make me a ultra right wing fascist blue UKIPer. I also read the Guardian, one of the most improved papers I think over recent years. That does not make me a pinko lefty socialist. I used to read The Telegraph, but it is a mere shadow of what it was some 15 years ago, and that makes me discerning.
The Guardian is slated on here yet some of its articles are excellent and it also covers news that the other right leaning papers ignore. The only way to ensure you get a fair bit of information is to vary your sources. For instance, I'm not sure if these revelations have has been reported in other papers: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/apr/28/how...
It shows, for instance, how we are lied to, and with little compunction. It also shows that when found out, no one seems to care. Or rather, very few. So nothing new, apart from confirmation of what a lot of people said, and a lot of people denied.
Just because I do not by default support the tory party I do not become a communist. By not being rabidly anti EU I do not suddenly become a lefty. I remember a conversation my father had with a girlfriend of mine who was a bit of a looker and a bit right wing. She demanded to know which political party he supported and he said something like: "Good heavens, I grew out of that before I joined the army." I thought he did that to shut her up (if only it had been that easy) but as I've got older, I've got to understand what he meant.
I also read, occasionally, both the Spectator and the New Statesman.
Yet a number of times on this website I have been called a lefty, this despite voting tory since 2000.
Derek Smith said:
I read The Times. That does not make me a ultra right wing fascist blue UKIPer.
I should hope not. The Times is almost as bad as the FT these days.
Derek Smith said:
Yet a number of times on this website I have been called a lefty, this despite voting tory since 2000.
Yes but if you had your fingers crossed at the time it doesn't count At the moment I'm enjoying Cod and Pea Fishcakes, (Sainsbury) Vegetabls Basmati Rice (own concoction) Steamed leeks, Green beans, Carrots (mainly Aldi) .
All being washed down with a bottle of Chilean Underagga Sauvignon Blanc (Wine Society )
Nice to be civilised, not a Labour Party class hater in sight.
All being washed down with a bottle of Chilean Underagga Sauvignon Blanc (Wine Society )
Nice to be civilised, not a Labour Party class hater in sight.
Cheese Mechanic said:
At the moment I'm enjoying Cod and Pea Fishcakes, (Sainsbury) Vegetabls Basmati Rice (own concoction) Steamed leeks, Green beans, Carrots (mainly Aldi) .
All being washed down with a bottle of Chilean Underagga Sauvignon Blanc (Wine Society )
Nice to be civilised, not a Labour Party class hater in sight.
I've read this three times now and I still have no idea what you're on about. Are your meal times usually disturbed by class warriors then?All being washed down with a bottle of Chilean Underagga Sauvignon Blanc (Wine Society )
Nice to be civilised, not a Labour Party class hater in sight.
TTwiggy said:
I've read this three times now and I still have no idea what you're on about. Are your meal times usually disturbed by class warriors then?
Firstly, An appreciation of decent food. Secondly, An appreciation of the fact that at a recent council election of 3000+ votes cast , we only have a Labour Party voter pollution, of under 50.
Thirdly, Izaak Walton. Well done on that one.
Bradgate said:
I’m a pinko Guardian-reading liberal, and I sometimes join the debate in the N, P & E forums to amuse myself.
The almost complete lack of self-awareness among the ultra right-wing, libertarian, free-market fundamentalist uber-Thatcherites is fascinating.
They are so detached from most people’s reality that they genuinely don’t appear to understand that their views represent a very small minority of public opinion, that very few women share their views, that £70k is not a normal salary and that most ordinary people regard someone on £150k+ as rich.
Then either most ordinary people are wrong, or you are.The almost complete lack of self-awareness among the ultra right-wing, libertarian, free-market fundamentalist uber-Thatcherites is fascinating.
They are so detached from most people’s reality that they genuinely don’t appear to understand that their views represent a very small minority of public opinion, that very few women share their views, that £70k is not a normal salary and that most ordinary people regard someone on £150k+ as rich.
Bradgate said:
I’m a pinko Guardian-reading liberal, and I sometimes join the debate in the N, P & E forums to amuse myself.
The almost complete lack of self-awareness among the ultra right-wing, libertarian, free-market fundamentalist uber-Thatcherites is fascinating.
They are so detached from most people’s reality that they genuinely don’t appear to understand that their views represent a very small minority of public opinion, that very few women share their views, that £70k is not a normal salary and that most ordinary people regard someone on £150k+ as rich.
Sorry, but that statement is also true of the lefty Guardian readers who seem to actually believe that `everyone' thinks the same as them. They don't.The almost complete lack of self-awareness among the ultra right-wing, libertarian, free-market fundamentalist uber-Thatcherites is fascinating.
They are so detached from most people’s reality that they genuinely don’t appear to understand that their views represent a very small minority of public opinion, that very few women share their views, that £70k is not a normal salary and that most ordinary people regard someone on £150k+ as rich.
Historically, the bit of the electorate which mattered in a general election was the floating voter. People like me. I've voted for all three major parties in my time. Three times I've changed my vote and three times the MP that I voted for has got in against the incumbent. I personally won't have any influence at all this time as I'm in a 'safe seat' for a tory oaf who does little for his constituency and promises more of the same.
People like me, with not affiliation to any political party, will have a major influence on this coming election, if the pollsters and the hacks are to be believed.
What has historically put me off a party is frantic electioneering, so not much to choose between the two major parties. But then, as I say, it doesn't really matter for this constituency, with four times as many Daily Mails in the WH Smith racks than any sensible paper. How depressing. If it wore blue, they'd vote for a slug, even one weighing 20 stone, even if they knew full well it would do nothing. Oh, wait a minute . . .
I normally don't make up my mind which way to vote in a GE right up until I walk into the booth. This time it is different: anything but tory, but he'll get in anyway.
People like me, with not affiliation to any political party, will have a major influence on this coming election, if the pollsters and the hacks are to be believed.
What has historically put me off a party is frantic electioneering, so not much to choose between the two major parties. But then, as I say, it doesn't really matter for this constituency, with four times as many Daily Mails in the WH Smith racks than any sensible paper. How depressing. If it wore blue, they'd vote for a slug, even one weighing 20 stone, even if they knew full well it would do nothing. Oh, wait a minute . . .
I normally don't make up my mind which way to vote in a GE right up until I walk into the booth. This time it is different: anything but tory, but he'll get in anyway.
Derek Smith said:
Historically, the bit of the electorate which mattered in a general election was the floating voter. People like me. I've voted for all three major parties in my time. Three times I've changed my vote and three times the MP that I voted for has got in against the incumbent. I personally won't have any influence at all this time as I'm in a 'safe seat' for a tory oaf who does little for his constituency and promises more of the same.
People like me, with not affiliation to any political party, will have a major influence on this coming election, if the pollsters and the hacks are to be believed.
What has historically put me off a party is frantic electioneering, so not much to choose between the two major parties. But then, as I say, it doesn't really matter for this constituency, with four times as many Daily Mails in the WH Smith racks than any sensible paper. How depressing. If it wore blue, they'd vote for a slug, even one weighing 20 stone, even if they knew full well it would do nothing. Oh, wait a minute . . .
I normally don't make up my mind which way to vote in a GE right up until I walk into the booth. This time it is different: anything but tory, but he'll get in anyway.
For me it is anything but labour, a vote for labour is a vote for the destruction of the UK economy (which history shows us happens, every time labour get into number 10 ) People like me, with not affiliation to any political party, will have a major influence on this coming election, if the pollsters and the hacks are to be believed.
What has historically put me off a party is frantic electioneering, so not much to choose between the two major parties. But then, as I say, it doesn't really matter for this constituency, with four times as many Daily Mails in the WH Smith racks than any sensible paper. How depressing. If it wore blue, they'd vote for a slug, even one weighing 20 stone, even if they knew full well it would do nothing. Oh, wait a minute . . .
I normally don't make up my mind which way to vote in a GE right up until I walk into the booth. This time it is different: anything but tory, but he'll get in anyway.
The NHS, schools, the armed forces, the public sector, the police and just about everything depend on the UK economy for its funding.
Therefore a vote for labour, is also a vote for the destruction of everything that depends on the UK economy.
I have joined the odd forum that has an ethos that differs from mine.
I have been banned or put into moderation for utterly banal factual observations.
Seriously. I got accused of being an estate agent shill on one site on the basis I owned a house.
PH is a positive nirvana of tolerance in comparison to most of the web.
I have been banned or put into moderation for utterly banal factual observations.
Seriously. I got accused of being an estate agent shill on one site on the basis I owned a house.
PH is a positive nirvana of tolerance in comparison to most of the web.
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