Evidence of General Election Voting Fraud
Discussion
I agree with Sid that the ID system needs to be brought forward asap to deflect any suspicion of fraud.
I would go further and have a simple test to prove that the voter has a grasp of the democratic process! This will get slated, I'm sure, but if a genuine voter can't answer a straightforward question then maybe they aren't capable of choosing the most suitable candidate to represent them, and us!?
I would go further and have a simple test to prove that the voter has a grasp of the democratic process! This will get slated, I'm sure, but if a genuine voter can't answer a straightforward question then maybe they aren't capable of choosing the most suitable candidate to represent them, and us!?
Turbotbloke said:
Funny how all the Tories and Hard Brexit types are now cooing over ID cards when back in 2006 they were all staunchly against them, when Jack Straw tried to introduce them.
Here's what The Telegraph said:
"What are the main objections?
The principal objections to ID cards is that they are an infringement of the citizen's right to remain anonymous if he chooses. They give the state powers it has only ever had before in wartime. There is no evidence they provide additional security for citizens. And the benefits are outweighed by privacy and data protection considerations. An ID scheme would also be hugely expensive. The last official estimate, in 1996, put the cost of setting up a national registration data base at £600 million and annual running costs at up to £100 million. More recent, though unofficial, estimates have suggested setting up a scheme could cost £1 billion."
Me, I look forward to being asked for my ID card by one of our friendly British bobbies on the beat. I'll be able to pretend that I'm French and whistle La Marseillaise as he gives me a jolly good truncheoning for being "sans papier". Better still, I won't feel so bad about leaving that horrible, authoritarian, EU with all it's socialist rules and regulations.
All together now....
Allons enfants de la Patrie,
Le jour de gloire est arrivé!
Contre nous de la tyrannie,
L'étendard sanglant est levé, (bis)
Entendez-vous dans les campagnes
Mugir ces féroces soldats?
Ils viennent jusque dans vos bras
Égorger vos fils, vos compagnes!
‘All the ‘Tories and hard Brexit types’?? Seems like nonsense to me.Here's what The Telegraph said:
"What are the main objections?
The principal objections to ID cards is that they are an infringement of the citizen's right to remain anonymous if he chooses. They give the state powers it has only ever had before in wartime. There is no evidence they provide additional security for citizens. And the benefits are outweighed by privacy and data protection considerations. An ID scheme would also be hugely expensive. The last official estimate, in 1996, put the cost of setting up a national registration data base at £600 million and annual running costs at up to £100 million. More recent, though unofficial, estimates have suggested setting up a scheme could cost £1 billion."
Me, I look forward to being asked for my ID card by one of our friendly British bobbies on the beat. I'll be able to pretend that I'm French and whistle La Marseillaise as he gives me a jolly good truncheoning for being "sans papier". Better still, I won't feel so bad about leaving that horrible, authoritarian, EU with all it's socialist rules and regulations.
All together now....
Allons enfants de la Patrie,
Le jour de gloire est arrivé!
Contre nous de la tyrannie,
L'étendard sanglant est levé, (bis)
Entendez-vous dans les campagnes
Mugir ces féroces soldats?
Ils viennent jusque dans vos bras
Égorger vos fils, vos compagnes!
Being in favour of a ensuring the correct people vote in elections is not the same as supporting ID cards.
Supercilious Sid said:
The point is that elections are open to fraud regardless of whether it has been proven to happen. Those open doors need to be closed.
Even the professionals know this process for democracy isn't working.
Here is a quote from an article on the BBC website about electoral fraud.
" Ray Morgan, who is also the chief executive of Woking Borough Council, said: 'I don't think any election that I've personally officiated over since 2006 has been totally fair and honest.'
Oh well, that's it then, if the CE of WBC suspects something, I'm completely convinced.Even the professionals know this process for democracy isn't working.
Here is a quote from an article on the BBC website about electoral fraud.
" Ray Morgan, who is also the chief executive of Woking Borough Council, said: 'I don't think any election that I've personally officiated over since 2006 has been totally fair and honest.'
Is election fraud, sorry, suspected election fraud, carried out solely by the electorate, or
have any political party, or individuals from them been involved in any of these suspected frauds, and who would be better place to influence an election?
gooner1 said:
Oh well, that's it then, if the CE of WBC suspects something, I'm completely convinced.
Is election fraud, sorry, suspected election fraud, carried out solely by the electorate, or
have any political party, or individuals from them been involved in any of these suspected frauds, and who would be better place to influence an election?
Why are you so scared of fair and accurate polls? Is election fraud, sorry, suspected election fraud, carried out solely by the electorate, or
have any political party, or individuals from them been involved in any of these suspected frauds, and who would be better place to influence an election?
sidicks said:
Turbotbloke said:
Funny how all the Tories and Hard Brexit types are now cooing over ID cards when back in 2006 they were all staunchly against them, when Jack Straw tried to introduce them.
Here's what The Telegraph said:
"What are the main objections?
The principal objections to ID cards is that they are an infringement of the citizen's right to remain anonymous if he chooses. They give the state powers it has only ever had before in wartime. There is no evidence they provide additional security for citizens. And the benefits are outweighed by privacy and data protection considerations. An ID scheme would also be hugely expensive. The last official estimate, in 1996, put the cost of setting up a national registration data base at £600 million and annual running costs at up to £100 million. More recent, though unofficial, estimates have suggested setting up a scheme could cost £1 billion."
Me, I look forward to being asked for my ID card by one of our friendly British bobbies on the beat. I'll be able to pretend that I'm French and whistle La Marseillaise as he gives me a jolly good truncheoning for being "sans papier". Better still, I won't feel so bad about leaving that horrible, authoritarian, EU with all it's socialist rules and regulations.
All together now....
Allons enfants de la Patrie,
Le jour de gloire est arrivé!
Contre nous de la tyrannie,
L'étendard sanglant est levé, (bis)
Entendez-vous dans les campagnes
Mugir ces féroces soldats?
Ils viennent jusque dans vos bras
Égorger vos fils, vos compagnes!
‘All the ‘Tories and hard Brexit types’?? Seems like nonsense to me.Here's what The Telegraph said:
"What are the main objections?
The principal objections to ID cards is that they are an infringement of the citizen's right to remain anonymous if he chooses. They give the state powers it has only ever had before in wartime. There is no evidence they provide additional security for citizens. And the benefits are outweighed by privacy and data protection considerations. An ID scheme would also be hugely expensive. The last official estimate, in 1996, put the cost of setting up a national registration data base at £600 million and annual running costs at up to £100 million. More recent, though unofficial, estimates have suggested setting up a scheme could cost £1 billion."
Me, I look forward to being asked for my ID card by one of our friendly British bobbies on the beat. I'll be able to pretend that I'm French and whistle La Marseillaise as he gives me a jolly good truncheoning for being "sans papier". Better still, I won't feel so bad about leaving that horrible, authoritarian, EU with all it's socialist rules and regulations.
All together now....
Allons enfants de la Patrie,
Le jour de gloire est arrivé!
Contre nous de la tyrannie,
L'étendard sanglant est levé, (bis)
Entendez-vous dans les campagnes
Mugir ces féroces soldats?
Ils viennent jusque dans vos bras
Égorger vos fils, vos compagnes!
Being in favour of a ensuring the correct people vote in elections is not the same as supporting ID cards.
I didn't say nuffink about ensuring the correct people voted in elections. Not a dickie bird. My contribution solely addressed the strange volte-face of many Tory/Brexit types when considering the Labour ID card fiasco in 2006, as exemplified by the extract from the DT. Seems like they're more than happy to throw personal liberty under a big red bus when it comes to making sure only the right sort of chaps vote in elections.
I've learned everything from you, so I sincerely hope that helps.
pequod said:
I agree with Sid that the ID system needs to be brought forward asap to deflect any suspicion of fraud.
I would go further and have a simple test to prove that the voter has a grasp of the democratic process! This will get slated, I'm sure, but if a genuine voter can't answer a straightforward question then maybe they aren't capable of choosing the most suitable candidate to represent them, and us!?
Mental illness/mental incapacity is no bar to voting. I work as a poll clerk. In the general election one confused old lady was complaining loudly, for all to hear, that she couldn't find 'Mr Cameron's name anywhere'. ( it was not his constituency)I would go further and have a simple test to prove that the voter has a grasp of the democratic process! This will get slated, I'm sure, but if a genuine voter can't answer a straightforward question then maybe they aren't capable of choosing the most suitable candidate to represent them, and us!?
XCP said:
Mental illness/mental incapacity is no bar to voting. I work as a poll clerk. In the general election one confused old lady was complaining loudly, for all to hear, that she couldn't find 'Mr Cameron's name anywhere'. ( it was not his constituency)
Anyone that desperate to vote for CMD probably should have found it impossible.Joke?
B'stard Child said:
sidicks said:
mx5nut said:
I've not even taken so much as a polling card along the last few times - never had a problem proving who I am.
How did you prove who you were?
gooner1 said:
Well if we don't know an election that wasn't fair and accurate,
how do we know there was one, and if we don't know that, why
all the clamour for ID cards?
In answer to your first question, some voter fraud has already been identified.how do we know there was one, and if we don't know that, why
all the clamour for ID cards?
As far as the second is concerned, requiring confirmation of identify before voting is not the same as a ‘clamour for ID cards.
sidicks said:
In answer to your first question, some voter fraud has already been identified.
As far as the second is concerned, requiring confirmation of identify before voting is not the same as a ‘clamour for ID cards.
When you say "some", exactly how much voter fraud has been identified and has there been charges and convictions with respect to making an election unfair and inaccurate?As far as the second is concerned, requiring confirmation of identify before voting is not the same as a ‘clamour for ID cards.
Please provide links.
As far as the second is concerned,that's a matter of opinion, imo.
How will ID cards stop candidates from illegally trying to influence,fair and accurate elections?
gooner1 said:
When you say "some", exactly how much voter fraud has been identified and has there been charges and convictions with respect to making an election unfair and inaccurate?
Please provide links.
How would we know?Please provide links.
gooner1 said:
As far as the second is concerned,that's a matter of opinion, imo.
A matter of opinion, but with evidence to support it!gooner1 said:
How will ID cards stop candidates from illegally trying to influence,fair and accurate elections?
Ensuring that each person can only vote once (and without undue influence from others) would be a start.sidicks said:
In answer to your first question, some voter fraud has already been identified.
As far as the second is concerned, requiring confirmation of identify before voting is not the same as a ‘clamour for ID cards.
You're so right, evidence of alleged voter registration fraud in 2017 was MASSIVE! So much so, the Electoral Commission reported it all in excruciating detail in their Summary of data recorded by police forces.As far as the second is concerned, requiring confirmation of identify before voting is not the same as a ‘clamour for ID cards.
Here's one of their funny pictures with words:
That's right, a whole 36 cases of alleged fraud. It's an utter scandal and I can't help myself but to wonder at your lack of backbone in the face of this onslaught.
We need ID cards NOW! The time is ripe for our government to piss a couple of billion up the wall by instigating them immediately. It'll only cost us a mere £55,555,555.55 per alleged fraudulent vote registration but that's a price worth paying for our precious democracy.
A man of your calibre failing to accept that ID cards are the answer to this scandal is worrying.
sidicks said:
gooner1 said:
When you say "some", exactly how much voter fraud has been identified and has there been charges and convictions with respect to making an election unfair and inaccurate?
Please provide links.
How would we know?Please provide links.
gooner1 said:
As far as the second is concerned,that's a matter of opinion, imo.
iA matter of opinion, but with evidence to support it!
gooner1 said:
How will ID cards stop candidates from illegally trying to influence,fair and accurate elections?
Ensuring that each person can only vote once (and without undue influence from others) would be a start.How do you know this fraud has occurred? If we have no means of knowing, then we can't know it happened. So no need to find a solution to something we have no means of knowing
If it even happened. Glad that's been cleared up.
Love the way you consider possible candidate or Party illegal activity, to be more
trivial than something you consider undetectable btw.
gooner1 said:
How would we know if charges and convictions had been brought in respect of making an election unfair and inaccurate, wasn't this information supplied to you when you learnt some fraud had been identified, did you not bother to ask, and would it not be on record?
Eh? We don’t know the full scale of fraud. We can’t know without examining everyone’s individual votes. We do know that the potential for fraud is significant.gooner1 said:
How do you know this fraud has occurred? If we have no means of knowing, then we can't know it happened. So no need to find a solution to something we have no means of knowing
If it even happened. Glad that's been cleared up.
Eh. There is evidence of fraud that has occurred.If it even happened. Glad that's been cleared up.
gooner1 said:
Love the way you consider possible candidate or Party illegal activity, to be more
trivial than something you consider undetectable btw.
Love the way you pretend I’ve made any sort of comparison between the two.trivial than something you consider undetectable btw.
gooner1 said:
When you say "some", exactly how much voter fraud has been identified and has there been charges and convictions with respect to making an election unfair and inaccurate?
Given current procedures it would be almost impossible to prove electoral fraud. I think the people voting twice only have a chance of being caught if they boast about it on social media.as a young lad I went to vote in the 1997 election only to find that someone else had already voted in my name. Perhaps they saw my age and thought I wouldnt bother voting. be assured it goes on and there is virtually no chance of any prosecutions.
if you need ID to have a bank account why shouldn't you have it to choose our government?
Interesting as well how some of the usual suspects have piled into the thread. If electoral fraud isn't an issue why are so many keen to ensure that it can continue?
Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff