How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 10)
Discussion
vonuber said:
Tuna said:
Another article which will be furiously ignored by Remainers.
Funnily enough it says much of what has been said before on here by people who don't believe an exit automatically requires a hard border. It also nixes the idea that a customs union magically removes the issue of the border.
Again, I am puzzled how you apparently voted remain, given your vociferous views towards people who did vote that way.Funnily enough it says much of what has been said before on here by people who don't believe an exit automatically requires a hard border. It also nixes the idea that a customs union magically removes the issue of the border.
Tuna has been frank about the fact that had the status quo won then we could have tumbled on like before. It didn’t and we aren’t in Kansas anymore.
Maybe Tuna will change his mind if as appears to be in the offing there is an unprecedented push to reverse a democratic decision and therefore his ‘no change’ scenario becomes real. I suspect any sane individual will look at that and realise that unbelievably we are witnessing democracy being subverted and that is not at all a good thing. Of course Tuna’s view may vary
Ridgemont said:
OzzyR1 said:
Can't be bothered to find the old thread but has this tweet from Rees-Mogg today been mentioned?
"@Jacob_Rees_Mogg
If a long extension leaves us stuck in the EU we should be as difficult as possible. We could veto any increase in the budget, obstruct the putative EU army and block Mr Macron’s integrationist schemes."
Is this the same Jacob R-M who said the UK had no power to do any of these things in the EU and that’s why we had to leave?
On top of that, his tweet sounds like it's from a teenager: if I can't get my own way I'll throw all of my toys out of the pram, scream at the top of my voice and s
t in my nappy. If I can't have it, I'll mess it up for everyone else - proper playground stuff.
The bloke is a fking weasel, a liar and a hypocrite.
I have been a Tory voter since I was eligible in the 80's but will not do so again until the majority of the current MP's have gone.
Well yes. It was discussed to death. "@Jacob_Rees_Mogg
If a long extension leaves us stuck in the EU we should be as difficult as possible. We could veto any increase in the budget, obstruct the putative EU army and block Mr Macron’s integrationist schemes."
Is this the same Jacob R-M who said the UK had no power to do any of these things in the EU and that’s why we had to leave?
On top of that, his tweet sounds like it's from a teenager: if I can't get my own way I'll throw all of my toys out of the pram, scream at the top of my voice and s
t in my nappy. If I can't have it, I'll mess it up for everyone else - proper playground stuff.The bloke is a f
king weasel, a liar and a hypocrite.I have been a Tory voter since I was eligible in the 80's but will not do so again until the majority of the current MP's have gone.
I’m intrigued by the claim that as a Tory voter you will never vote again until his ilk are out; good stuff. Are you a member of a local CA? How is your local MP been voting?
I would note that the vast majority (74% according to latest comreg poll) of Tory voters are now to no deal.
It is a highly likely scenario that if the exit day is pushed back again then pro exit parties will elect wrecking representatives. This is hardly a surprise; it’s cause and effect.
Edited by Ridgemont on Saturday 6th April 02:11
Didn't say I wouldn't vote again, only that I wouldn't vote Conservative. That said, I won't vote Labour either - will look at the options nearer the time.
Have never been a member of the CA, never felt the need. Am fully aware of how my local MP (Conservative) has been voting and he seems to change his mind depending on which way the wind is blowing. Bloody ridiculous.
For what it's worth, I voted to remain but am now sick of the whole thing.
It was only last week that we were being told (from both sides), that uncertainty is a bad thing and affecting business. What do we get today? Another bloody extension and with it more uncertainty.
Idiots.
OzzyR1 said:
Can't be bothered to find the old thread but has this tweet from Rees-Mogg today been mentioned?
"@Jacob_Rees_Mogg
If a long extension leaves us stuck in the EU we should be as difficult as possible. We could veto any increase in the budget, obstruct the putative EU army and block Mr Macron’s integrationist schemes."
Is this the same Jacob R-M who said the UK had no power to do any of these things in the EU and that’s why we had to leave?
On top of that, his tweet sounds like it's from a teenager: if I can't get my own way I'll throw all of my toys out of the pram, scream at the top of my voice and st in my nappy. If I can't have it, I'll mess it up for everyone else - proper playground stuff.
The bloke is a fking weasel, a liar and a hypocrite.
I have been a Tory voter since I was eligible in the 80's but will not do so again until the majority of the current MP's have gone.
What goes around comes around."@Jacob_Rees_Mogg
If a long extension leaves us stuck in the EU we should be as difficult as possible. We could veto any increase in the budget, obstruct the putative EU army and block Mr Macron’s integrationist schemes."
Is this the same Jacob R-M who said the UK had no power to do any of these things in the EU and that’s why we had to leave?
On top of that, his tweet sounds like it's from a teenager: if I can't get my own way I'll throw all of my toys out of the pram, scream at the top of my voice and s
t in my nappy. If I can't have it, I'll mess it up for everyone else - proper playground stuff.The bloke is a f
king weasel, a liar and a hypocrite.I have been a Tory voter since I was eligible in the 80's but will not do so again until the majority of the current MP's have gone.
Good on him, remainers have been acting like 5 year olds since the vote didn't go their way throwing anything and everything to thwart a democratic vote.
I also remember remainers saying how little the EU is entwined into the UK yet it seems now there's endless things being thrown up about how difficult it is to break free.
Down and out said:
OzzyR1 said:
Can't be bothered to find the old thread but has this tweet from Rees-Mogg today been mentioned?
"@Jacob_Rees_Mogg
If a long extension leaves us stuck in the EU we should be as difficult as possible. We could veto any increase in the budget, obstruct the putative EU army and block Mr Macron’s integrationist schemes."
Is this the same Jacob R-M who said the UK had no power to do any of these things in the EU and that’s why we had to leave?
On top of that, his tweet sounds like it's from a teenager: if I can't get my own way I'll throw all of my toys out of the pram, scream at the top of my voice and st in my nappy. If I can't have it, I'll mess it up for everyone else - proper playground stuff.
The bloke is a fking weasel, a liar and a hypocrite.
I have been a Tory voter since I was eligible in the 80's but will not do so again until the majority of the current MP's have gone.
What goes around comes around."@Jacob_Rees_Mogg
If a long extension leaves us stuck in the EU we should be as difficult as possible. We could veto any increase in the budget, obstruct the putative EU army and block Mr Macron’s integrationist schemes."
Is this the same Jacob R-M who said the UK had no power to do any of these things in the EU and that’s why we had to leave?
On top of that, his tweet sounds like it's from a teenager: if I can't get my own way I'll throw all of my toys out of the pram, scream at the top of my voice and s
t in my nappy. If I can't have it, I'll mess it up for everyone else - proper playground stuff.The bloke is a f
king weasel, a liar and a hypocrite.I have been a Tory voter since I was eligible in the 80's but will not do so again until the majority of the current MP's have gone.
Good on him, remainers have been acting like 5 year olds since the vote didn't go their way throwing anything and everything to thwart a democratic vote.
I also remember remainers saying how little the EU is entwined into the UK yet it seems now there's endless things being thrown up about how difficult it is to break free.
If you are pro-Brexit, he mustered the ERG within the Conservatives and voted down Theresa May's deal several times.
OK, it was a crap deal which no-one wanted, but it would have enabled us to exit the EU albeit with a load of unanswered questions about our future status and liabilities.
Despite publicly trashing that deal, he then changed his mind and supported it when it looked like things weren't going his way.
I'd have a lot more respect if he just stuck to his guns.
Down and out said:
I also remember remainers saying how little the EU is entwined into the UK yet it seems now there's endless things being thrown up about how difficult it is to break free.
This x100.It really does need reiterating: if it appears to be a clusterf
k getting out that maybe because frankly we are one step away from not being able to get out at all. I feel sorry for the eurozone nations. They are screwed.One other point - has anyone else noticed how quiet Boris Johnson has been in the last few weeks?
Suspect he is lurking in the background, trying to be inconspicuous with his eye on the top job when May leaves.
Hope the party have more sense than to vote him in, a large swathe of the population see him as a joke.
Not a lot to choose from admittedly. For my money, it's a shame Ruth Davidson is still in Scotland, she would have my backing.
Suspect he is lurking in the background, trying to be inconspicuous with his eye on the top job when May leaves.
Hope the party have more sense than to vote him in, a large swathe of the population see him as a joke.
Not a lot to choose from admittedly. For my money, it's a shame Ruth Davidson is still in Scotland, she would have my backing.
Ridgemont said:
Down and out said:
I also remember remainers saying how little the EU is entwined into the UK yet it seems now there's endless things being thrown up about how difficult it is to break free.
This x100.It really does need reiterating: if it appears to be a clusterf
k getting out that maybe because frankly we are one step away from not being able to get out at all. I feel sorry for the eurozone nations. They are screwed.We occupied a pretty special place within the EU, we had opt-outs of the Schengen area and the Euro currency. Had a decent rebate too despite being a net benefactor.
The much touted £350million/week equates to £18.2 billion a year. Against the UK GDP of about £2.2 trillion, that is fractions of one per-cent.
Genuinely an insignificant sum given our status and voting rights in the EU.
So many people have mentioned they are worried about an EU Army, more financial liability, more encompassing EU laws etc. We could have used our place at the table and power of veto to challenge those arguments.
Now it looks like we will be left on the sidelines with no voice.
Bloody stupid.
OzzyR1 said:
Ridgemont said:
Down and out said:
I also remember remainers saying how little the EU is entwined into the UK yet it seems now there's endless things being thrown up about how difficult it is to break free.
This x100.It really does need reiterating: if it appears to be a clusterf
k getting out that maybe because frankly we are one step away from not being able to get out at all. I feel sorry for the eurozone nations. They are screwed.We occupied a pretty special place within the EU, we had opt-outs of the Schengen area and the Euro currency. Had a decent rebate too despite being a net benefactor.
The much touted £350million/week equates to £18.2 billion a year. Against the UK GDP of about £2.2 trillion, that is fractions of one per-cent.
Genuinely an insignificant sum given our status and voting rights in the EU.
So many people have mentioned they are worried about an EU Army, more financial liability, more encompassing EU laws etc. We could have used our place at the table and power of veto to challenge those arguments.
Now it looks like we will be left on the sidelines with no voice.
Bloody stupid.
The rebate was due to be phased out in the next budget, the EU army, loss of veto and ever closer union haven't been scrapped even if they are not currently being discussed.
Whatever could have happened is irrelevant now as we have deal with the situation as it is, something the House of Commons seems unwilling to do.
The increasingly fragile European debt is unfortunate but it also demonstrates the policy isn't working and surely it is better that the UK is not liable?
It is a bit of a shame alright.
With vetos gone and qmv in, the UK and Germany together could have dominated Europe. No other coalition of nations could have outvoted them. Germany with its manufacturing base, UK holding the purse strings with its FS base.... And since when has the UK ever been afraid to project military power? It's a warlike nation of warriors ffs. Nobody produces a better squaddie than the UK. A whole new army to build and lead? The UK should've been right in there giving the orders and sorting them out to do it properly.
As much as I want Brexit and the UK gone out of the EU, the alternative wasn't something I worried too much about.
With vetos gone and qmv in, the UK and Germany together could have dominated Europe. No other coalition of nations could have outvoted them. Germany with its manufacturing base, UK holding the purse strings with its FS base.... And since when has the UK ever been afraid to project military power? It's a warlike nation of warriors ffs. Nobody produces a better squaddie than the UK. A whole new army to build and lead? The UK should've been right in there giving the orders and sorting them out to do it properly.
As much as I want Brexit and the UK gone out of the EU, the alternative wasn't something I worried too much about.
Ridgemont said:
Down and out said:
I also remember remainers saying how little the EU is entwined into the UK yet it seems now there's endless things being thrown up about how difficult it is to break free.
This x100.It really does need reiterating: if it appears to be a clusterf
k getting out that maybe because frankly we are one step away from not being able to get out at all. I feel sorry for the eurozone nations. They are screwed.k was always going to be from the British side. Anyone who has worked in a solely British enterprise knows of the delays, the illogical systems, the inconsistent standards, the endless cups of tea and talking, the outdated ways of doing things etc. The British government is no different.OzzyR1 said:
if I can't get my own way I'll throw all of my toys out of the pram, scream at the top of my voice and st in my nappy. If I can't have it, I'll mess it up for everyone else - proper playground stuff.
Wasn't this the working title for a recent protest, until the committee, somewhat wisely, narrowed it down to "The People's Vote" march.........t in my nappy. If I can't have it, I'll mess it up for everyone else - proper playground stuff.wisbech said:
Are we there yet?
Nearly, I think I can see the sea.....Must be near Dover so I'll get my visa ready......oh, hang on....
Never mind, I've still got my nice new post brexit Blue passport.........
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47833702
Oh bugger, where's my chaos, I demand my fear and chaos as promised by remain.......
It is looking like despite the efforts of our politicians to stop brexit the decision as to what happens next may be out of their hands.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1110167/Brexit-n...
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1110167/Brexit-n...
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