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Countdown said:
jonnydm said:
Not sure what they did/didn't do with reporters last time.
Re. children, if you're trying to say they target them on purpose, surely its as much of a valid argument to say that Hamas are using them as shields, threatening them / keeping them there. Looking at the evidence the latter makes more sense. Morally, an awful siutation though I actually saw a quote from international - UN + UK - law showing that if this is the case, legally at least, Israel is ok.
Don't get me wrong, this is an absolutely appalling situation but Israel has nothing to gain from killing civilians.
To be fair, there have been situations where Israeli soldiers have shot children, knowing they were children, and not been sanctioned in any way.Re. children, if you're trying to say they target them on purpose, surely its as much of a valid argument to say that Hamas are using them as shields, threatening them / keeping them there. Looking at the evidence the latter makes more sense. Morally, an awful siutation though I actually saw a quote from international - UN + UK - law showing that if this is the case, legally at least, Israel is ok.
Don't get me wrong, this is an absolutely appalling situation but Israel has nothing to gain from killing civilians.
jonnydm said:
A) You're quoting Press TV. Enough said.
The same thing has been reported by numerous other websites, even Haaretz.jonnydm said:
B) The vast majority of ultra-nationalist Israeli politicians just do talking for which they often receive punishment in the courts. Same can't be said for extreme factions on the other side or the treatment that they receive.
That surprises me. Could you give me a link to a situation where comments by a member of the Israeli Govt have resulted in punishments by the Court?coyft said:
jonnydm said:
And what difference does it make whether people are Jewish or not?
I have found it's not worth entering into a reasoned debate, as all the Israeli threads on PH can attest to.One of the few reasons that I got involved in this thread is due to mentions of Jewish people throughout (including yours). Yes it has context in discussing population of Israel, demographics and constitution but otherwise it doesn't. Plenty of posts throughout this thread including random digs on 'Haredi society / women' which aren't relevant but thrown in nonetheless.
[Yes I am Jewish, no I don't beleive it has any relevance on what someone in this thread is talking about].
Jimbeaux said:
Israel has twice before agreed to the formation of a Palestinian state. It has been Hamas that derailed each attempt by attacking.
Is this like the statement by Lost Soul where apparently "Israel agreed to 90% of Yasser Arafat's demands?"Agreeing to a State is easy. What Israel thinks should be acceptable to the Palestinians (a demilitarsised hotch-potch on non-arable land surrounded by Settlements, bisected by Jewish-only roads and covered in Checkpoints, with Israel controlling all the borders) isn't, I believe, what most countries would see as an Independent State.
coyft said:
How about Israel having equal rights for all citizens? What about them dropping the idea of a "Jewish State". Isn't that a bit like England declaring a whites only state?
The 64m shekel question - how can Israel be a "Jewish State" AND a democratic State? The only way I can think of is by removing the entire non-Jewish population.Jimbeaux said:
s1962a said:
Jimbeaux said:
Mermaid said:
How long before British Muslims head to Gaza to support their brothers & sisters?
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Just a thought.....
Jimbeaux said:
What of those they have not hit? Israel is capable of killing far more than have died so far. What about the leaflets and warnings that have been dropped at most other locations? Wake up; I understand you lack combat experience and perhaps the larger grasp of military reality but this should still be clear.
It's a fig leaf to allow organisations such as AIPAC to continue their lobbying. The real views of the Israeli Govt are probably closer to Ayelet Shaked and Moshe Feiglin.Countdown said:
Jimbeaux said:
What of those they have not hit? Israel is capable of killing far more than have died so far. What about the leaflets and warnings that have been dropped at most other locations? Wake up; I understand you lack combat experience and perhaps the larger grasp of military reality but this should still be clear.
It's a fig leaf to allow organisations such as AIPAC to continue their lobbying. The real views of the Israeli Govt are probably closer to Ayelet Shaked and Moshe Feiglin.AngryPartsBloke said:
Jimbeaux said:
Mojocvh said:
Mrr T said:
No where is safe in Gaza, just as no where is safe in Israel. The best thing is to head to a bomb shelter. Oh dam Hamas does not build those for civilians.
Possibly THE stupidest thing posted on PH this year...in the meantime...
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/16/371556/isr...
"Ayelet Shaked of the ultra-nationalist Jewish Home party called for the slaughter of Palestinian mothers who give birth to "little snakes."
"They have to die and their houses should be demolished so that they cannot bear any more terrorists," Shaked said, adding, "They are all our enemies and their blood should be on our hands. This also applies to the mothers of the dead terrorists.”
The remarks are considered as a call for genocide as she declared that all Palestinians are Israel's enemies and must be killed. "
Jimbo, with "friends" like that you don't need enemies..
S 8 GRN said:
Try checking its authenticity and you'll find they are not her words but someone else and misquoted. The original newspaper retracted it. I'm sure she isn't a saint but lets deal with the truth where possible.
I can find links from her saying she's been misquoted, not from anybody else 
coyft said:
Shelling a hospital now, killing 4 and injuring medical staff. I guess Hamas forced everyone in there and held them under gun point. 
You may not like the source but hey we all get our information from somewhere these days ... question is who do you believe? What makes one source more reliable than another?
If I was in Hamas, I'd make damned sure I was based in or around civilians when I launched missiles. It's a no brainer really. If the IDF hit back, they'll kill innocents. If they decide that the collateral damage would be too great, then, I'm free to carry on.
Hamas cannot possibly stand up to the IDF on a level playing field. So, why not take them on from a school playing field?
After all, Paradise awaits.
Hamas cannot possibly stand up to the IDF on a level playing field. So, why not take them on from a school playing field?
After all, Paradise awaits.
Guam said:
Blib said:
If I was in Hamas, I'd make damned sure I was based in or around civilians when I launched missiles. It's a no brainer really. If the IDF hit back, they'll kill innocents. If they decide that the collateral damage would be too great, then, I'm free to carry on.
Hamas cannot possibly stand up to the IDF on a level playing field. So, why not take them on from a school playing field?
After all, Paradise awaits.
Paradise must be running low on Virgins now with all the stuff going on in the region.Hamas cannot possibly stand up to the IDF on a level playing field. So, why not take them on from a school playing field?
After all, Paradise awaits.
ked. From Egypt to Iran. I was sitting in my garden yesterday afternoon, listening to TMS, a cup of tea in my hand and it struck me how lucky I am to be living where I live in the time that I live.Most of us here in the UK are amongst the luckiest people on this poor benighted planet.
Now, if only we could win a flipping test match.
The Right in Western politics has always been staunchly Pro Israel (as it was Pro Apartheid South Africa and Pro Junta Dictatorships in South America), which is ironic given that Israel secretly helped the Argentinians during the Falklands war (even if the fighter planes arrived late).
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