Rishi Sunak - Prime Minister

[272BHP]

Derek Smith said:

Derek Smith said:

Middle 70s here. When my wife told me I thought it one of her little jokes. Knowing how stupid this lot was, I checked online. Still had trouble believing it. She's recorded KKwatang on a news programme for me. I think I'll enjoy his justification more than the Monaco GP.

Bizarre.

Just seen the recording.

Bizarre just doesn't cover it. Scary though. Walking amongst us is bad enough, but he was in the cabinet.

Well worth digging out the farce if you can. And if you don't want to sleep at night.

Are you on about the Laura Kuenssberg interview with James Cleverly?

[bitchstewie]

272BHP said:

Are you on about the Laura Kuenssberg interview with James Cleverly?

Must admit I did wonder whether I'd missed something as I don't recall Kwarteng being on any of the main shows yesterday

[S600BSB]

bhstewie said:

272BHP said:

Are you on about the Laura Kuenssberg interview with James Cleverly?

Must admit I did wonder whether I'd missed something as I don't recall Kwarteng being on any of the main shows yesterday

Interesting chat with Kwarteng on the Rest is Politics pod. Says he wouldn’t vote Tory if he was in his 20s!

[bitchstewie]

S600BSB said:

Interesting chat with Kwarteng on the Rest is Politics pod. Says he wouldn’t vote Tory if he was in his 20s!

It's the question I asked a page ago.

Still waiting for anyone to give me a reason.

[turbobloke]

bhstewie said:

S600BSB said:

Interesting chat with Kwarteng on the Rest is Politics pod. Says he wouldn’t vote Tory if he was in his 20s!

It's the question I asked a page ago.

Still waiting for anyone to give me a reason.

Who, not being 20, can speak for somebody who's 20 - so an obvious general reply is, somebody not basing their decision purely on short-term self-interest. Alien to Labour supporters it would seem.

With Starmer saying it's time to turn the page, that depends on what's on the next page.

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turbobloke said:

bhstewie said:

S600BSB said:

Interesting chat with Kwarteng on the Rest is Politics pod. Says he wouldn’t vote Tory if he was in his 20s!

It's the question I asked a page ago.

Still waiting for anyone to give me a reason.

Who, not being 20, can speak for somebody who's 20 - so an obvious general reply is, somebody not basing their decision purely on short-term self-interest. Alien to Labour supporters it would seem.

With Starmer saying it's time to turn the page, that depends on what's on the next page.

It was a daft question a page ago anyway.

No one same votes for any party for a single reason. Most of the time they don't vote for a party at all, they vote against the most damaging of the two options as a whole. No wonder no one's answering it.

[bitchstewie]

Just one reason.

Shouldn't be too difficult.

What's the offer?

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It doesn't get less daft by repeating it.

[bitchstewie]

How is it daft?

I think it's telling that nobody is even attempting to give a single reason.

I hope Sunak doesn't run into any young voters on the campaign trail.

Then again if he does they'll probably be Young Conservatives planted in the audience.

[President Merkin]

bhstewie said:

How is it daft?


I hope Sunak doesn't run into any young voters on the campaign trail.

That would be novel. So far it's been exclusively Tory plants in hi viz's Maybe they're doing community service.

Meanwhile, in satire is dead news, Sunak wants us to live in the plot of Starship Troopers. hahahaha.

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bhstewie said:

How is it daft?

I think it's telling that nobody is even attempting to give a single reason.

I hope Sunak doesn't run into any young voters on the campaign trail.

Then again if he does they'll probably be Young Conservatives planted in the audience.

Tell you what, let’s turn this around for a mo.

Can you give us a reason why anyone should vote for Labour for eg?

‘Not Tories’ is not a valid answer.

[BigMon]

Few amusing memes going round on social media.

[Riff Raff]

President Merkin said:

bhstewie said:

How is it daft?


I hope Sunak doesn't run into any young voters on the campaign trail.

That would be novel. So far it's been exclusively Tory plants in hi viz's Maybe they're doing community service.

Meanwhile, in satire is dead news, Sunak wants us to live in the plot of Starship Troopers. hahahaha.

Do you want to know more?

[bitchstewie]

119 said:

Tell you what, let’s turn this around for a mo.

Can you give us a reason why anyone should vote for Labour for eg?

‘Not Tories’ is not a valid answer.

Right now if I was a younger person I'd struggle with specific reasons I should vote Labour too.

I suspect there's simply a bit more hope there that they give a st about me if I was a younger voter.

The polls show an overwhelming number of them will anyway so if I'm Sunak what am I doing to try to persuade them to vote for my party?

National Service? Seriously?

Or is it simply an admission that the young won't vote for them so they don't matter so let's just aim everything at the grey vote?

[Mr Penguin]

I think as far as Rishi is concerned, he would be best advised to ignore them. Young people vote Conservative less and less (a thirty year trend) and even if he can turn things around and somehow get two full terms, he won't personally benefit from that. Even if you assume the polls are very low, they show something like 1-2% of 18-24 will vote Tory, so even with a generous ceiling of 10% after the campaign it won't make a big difference, especially if it affects the vote elsewhere.

For the party as a whole, young people are becoming more left wing all the time, so eventually they will have to move to the left as they did during the post-war consensus and return to the pragmatism that made them the natural party of government for so long or become the opposition party of protest like Labour have always been.

[President Merkin]

119 said:

Tell you what, let’s turn this around for a mo.

Can you give us a reason why anyone should vote for Labour for eg?

‘Not Tories’ is not a valid answer.

Here's one. The NHS currently spends around £5 billion per year on agency staff due to chronic shortages of clinical staff. The Government's response as I showed you above is to require public sector workers to undertake national service, thereby making it even harder to recruit permanent staff. Now I'm well aware joining dots is difficult for you, but I can't spend all day doing it, so please put down your relentless cognitive bias & have a think for once.

[Wombat3]

bhstewie said:

119 said:

Tell you what, let’s turn this around for a mo.

Can you give us a reason why anyone should vote for Labour for eg?

‘Not Tories’ is not a valid answer.

Right now if I was a younger person I'd struggle with specific reasons I should vote Labour too.

I suspect there's simply a bit more hope there that they give a st about me if I was a younger voter.

The polls show an overwhelming number of them will anyway so if I'm Sunak what am I doing to try to persuade them to vote for my party?

National Service? Seriously?

Or is it simply an admission that the young won't vote for them so they don't matter so let's just aim everything at the grey vote?

Probably the latter.

Given the state of our society & the general lack of cohesion etc, is it such a bad thing to do this?

Aside from "they might not want to do it", why is it such a bad idea in principle?

[bitchstewie]

President Merkin said:

Here's one. The NHS currently spends around £5 billion per year on agency staff due to chronic shortages of clinical staff. The Government's response as I showed you above is to require public sector workers to undertake national service, thereby making it even harder to recruit permanent staff. Now I'm well aware joining dots is difficult for you, but I can't spend all day doing it, so please put down your relentless cognitive bias & have a think for once.

To be fair my question was specifically around younger voters so 18-24.

Penguin has been honest enough to say ignore them they won't vote Conservative anyway.

I doubt the Conservatives will be honest enough to say that.

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bhstewie said:

119 said:

Tell you what, let’s turn this around for a mo.

Can you give us a reason why anyone should vote for Labour for eg?

‘Not Tories’ is not a valid answer.

Right now if I was a younger person I'd struggle with specific reasons I should vote Labour too.

I suspect there's simply a bit more hope there that they give a st about me if I was a younger voter.

The polls show an overwhelming number of them will anyway so if I'm Sunak what am I doing to try to persuade them to vote for my party?

National Service? Seriously?

Or is it simply an admission that the young won't vote for them so they don't matter so let's just aim everything at the grey vote?

Thanks.

So in other words, Labour haven’t got anythig worth voting for either.

And that, is pretty much the problem.

Hence why, as it stands, I won’t be voting for any of them.

[President Merkin]

bhstewie said:

To be fair my question was specifically around younger voters so 18-24.

Penguin has been honest enough to say ignore them they won't vote Conservative anyway.

I doubt the Conservatives will be honest enough to say that.

All that may be so but makes me laugh when the Tory crew start banging on about cohesion & the social contract, just one post above yours. Nothing says society quite like stting relentlessly on about ten percent of it. I'd like to to see our resident right wingers square that one off while urging us to vote for the Tories.