Why will you be voting Labour?
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NoelWatson said:
and he resorted to bully boy steamroller tactics as usual. who'd have guessed?I'm tempted by Labour, on a purely local level. Good MP, does his job well, didn't fiddle his expenses, lives locally and is a decent bloke. His local competition are unexciting and unconvincing.
But He's Labour. I don't trust them to sort the economy at all, so local competence is overcome. So it will be some one that seems least likely to f
k the economy further.
But He's Labour. I don't trust them to sort the economy at all, so local competence is overcome. So it will be some one that seems least likely to f
k the economy further.eldar said:
I'm tempted by Labour, on a purely local level. Good MP, does his job well, didn't fiddle his expenses, lives locally and is a decent bloke. His local competition are unexciting and unconvincing.
But He's Labour. I don't trust them to sort the economy at all, so local competence is overcome. So it will be some one that seems least likely to fk the economy further.
bernie madoff?But He's Labour. I don't trust them to sort the economy at all, so local competence is overcome. So it will be some one that seems least likely to f
k the economy further.968 said:
groak said:
968 said:
groak said:
I wouldn't waste my time voting because I don't believe it matters a damn who wins.
But if I did vote I'd vote labour because I'm considerably better off now than I was when they got in.
Please believe me, it really doesn't matter a damn who wins. And voting only encourages them.
You won't be better off if they win the next election. The recession may not have reached you yet, but the cuts soon will, and the NI rise will.But if I did vote I'd vote labour because I'm considerably better off now than I was when they got in.
Please believe me, it really doesn't matter a damn who wins. And voting only encourages them.
t different day. And how you vote ain't gonna change it.More importantly, the Tories (please drop the silly toryboy language) will cut the waste in public spending and will drastically reduce the amount of autonomy that central government imposes hence reducing cost.
The Tories would not have doubled the national debt, in the same way as Brown as their priorities are entirely different. If you think that voting labour will be advantageous to yourself, then you'll be in for a nasty shock.
Can you be more definitive about how these "important" public spending waste cuts will benefit the economy as a whole, because I've heard about this from all shades of politicians since the '60's and up until now it's always proved rather easier to say than to do. What exactly do the toryboys think they will cut which will achieve anything meaningful?
Autonomy is a concept found in moral, political, and bioethical philosophy. Within these contexts, it refers to the capacity of a rational individual to make an informed, un-coerced decision. In moral and political philosophy, autonomy is often used as the basis for determining moral responsibility for one's actions. You feel that a REDUCTION in this (which, in your opinion, toryboys will effect) will somehow reduce cost. How exactly, in your opinion, do autonomy and cost-reduction correlate? And what on earth makes you think either that labour/central government IMPOSES autonomy, or that it would be a bad thing if someone DID impose it or a good thing for anyone to reduce?
Next you offer opinions on national debt and financial priorities. In reality you have no idea, nor can you or anyone else HAVE any idea, what toryboys would have done. Over the last 13 years the air hasn't exactly resounded with economy-saving toryboy economic policy alternatives, nor does it do so now. But please feel free to tell us what toryboys WOULD have done, now you've told us what they WOULDN'T have done.
And in what way do you perceive the various parties' priorities as being "entirely different". One of the reasons WHY it is pointless to vote is that there is such small variation between parties' priorities that it hardly matters, other than that the routes to achieving these "priorities" contains some (pretty pointless) variety.
Finally, despite me having made it as crystal clear as I can that I have no intention of voting because to me it is a waste of time, you tell me that I'll be in for a "nasty shock" if I think voting sillylabour will be advantageous to me. Can you clarify how you know this? What form will this disadvantageous nasty shock take? Y'know I don't think you can even tell me what the FTSE will be at next Friday, never mind what the future - under whichever party - will hold for me or anyone/everyone else. And I'll let you into a secret. Neither does Gordon Brown, or David Cameron or Nick Clegg.
Edited by groak on Tuesday 27th April 22:10
groak said:
Can you be more definitive about how these "important" public spending waste cuts will benefit the economy as a whole, because I've heard about this from all shades of politicians since the '60's and up until now it's always proved rather easier to say than to do. What exactly do the toryboys think they will cut which will achieve anything meaningful?
Nobody said it was going to be easy. But it was achieved, remember the IMF insisting on it in the mid '70's? You know, the last time Labour bankrupted us.remedy said:
dandarez said:
I live in Cameron's constituency but the moment he dropped the Referendum he lost my vote.
Danderez, I need to bring you up on this. At the time of the treaty being signed, the media jumped on Cameron for 'going back on his word'. But he didn't. He stated that he would hold a referendum in the event of the tories coming to power if the treaty had not been ratified.As soon as it was signed by the Czech Republic he wasn't able to fulfill his promise. The media still chose to tow the line that the tories had back-tracked without stating the facts.
Sorry to backtrack a bit, but this stuck out like dogs bks to me
ks to medazzztay said:
but i had to answer this first! Just for the record. Im in favour of taxation in general
Do you mean that simply on principle you believe taxation to be a good thing in and of itself? Can you explain a bit more? Political Pain said:
The cut is coming or we face real trouble...
So do you trust Labour who got us here and have simply delayed the medicine to get past the election or another party who say we start on day one?
Look at it this way, it will take 5 years of hell, by delaying it we add another year of gross expenditure, effectively adding 20% to the cuts when they come [100bn = 20bn by starting now or 120bn = 24bn by delaying] your job is at risk either way, but a greater risk and you have a government with a track record of caring for its own position more than that of its citizens [by delaying things 'til after the election] so both trust and probity is in serious doubt with labour in a way that simply isn't there with the Conservatives.
I left work before your response last night.So do you trust Labour who got us here and have simply delayed the medicine to get past the election or another party who say we start on day one?
Look at it this way, it will take 5 years of hell, by delaying it we add another year of gross expenditure, effectively adding 20% to the cuts when they come [100bn = 20bn by starting now or 120bn = 24bn by delaying] your job is at risk either way, but a greater risk and you have a government with a track record of caring for its own position more than that of its citizens [by delaying things 'til after the election] so both trust and probity is in serious doubt with labour in a way that simply isn't there with the Conservatives.
I made the point earlier that I don't want to vote Labour particularly, but I haven't seen any sign that the tories would bring anything better to the table. Cuts are on the way, definately, but I have no faith in Cameron's party in Scotland what so ever.
Somebody mentioned it was selfish that I considered my own personal job security vital to who won my vote. I am almost certain if the tories get in then my industry will take a serious hit, I work on a multi billion £ defense contract. It may seem selfish to someone who doesn't have to face the consequences of possible unemployment. But personal issues that affect my family play a huge part in what forms my vote.
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Political Pain said:
The cut is coming or we face real trouble...
So do you trust Labour who got us here and have simply delayed the medicine to get past the election or another party who say we start on day one?
Look at it this way, it will take 5 years of hell, by delaying it we add another year of gross expenditure, effectively adding 20% to the cuts when they come [100bn = 20bn by starting now or 120bn = 24bn by delaying] your job is at risk either way, but a greater risk and you have a government with a track record of caring for its own position more than that of its citizens [by delaying things 'til after the election] so both trust and probity is in serious doubt with labour in a way that simply isn't there with the Conservatives.
I left work before your response last night.So do you trust Labour who got us here and have simply delayed the medicine to get past the election or another party who say we start on day one?
Look at it this way, it will take 5 years of hell, by delaying it we add another year of gross expenditure, effectively adding 20% to the cuts when they come [100bn = 20bn by starting now or 120bn = 24bn by delaying] your job is at risk either way, but a greater risk and you have a government with a track record of caring for its own position more than that of its citizens [by delaying things 'til after the election] so both trust and probity is in serious doubt with labour in a way that simply isn't there with the Conservatives.
I made the point earlier that I don't want to vote Labour particularly, but I haven't seen any sign that the tories would bring anything better to the table. Cuts are on the way, definately, but I have no faith in Cameron's party in Scotland what so ever.
Somebody mentioned it was selfish that I considered my own personal job security vital to who won my vote. I am almost certain if the tories get in then my industry will take a serious hit, I work on a multi billion £ defense contract. It may seem selfish to someone who doesn't have to face the consequences of possible unemployment. But personal issues that affect my family play a huge part in what forms my vote.
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s2art said:
groak said:
Can you be more definitive about how these "important" public spending waste cuts will benefit the economy as a whole, because I've heard about this from all shades of politicians since the '60's and up until now it's always proved rather easier to say than to do. What exactly do the toryboys think they will cut which will achieve anything meaningful?
Nobody said it was going to be easy. But it was achieved, remember the IMF insisting on it in the mid '70's? You know, the last time Labour bankrupted us.groak said:
s2art said:
groak said:
Can you be more definitive about how these "important" public spending waste cuts will benefit the economy as a whole, because I've heard about this from all shades of politicians since the '60's and up until now it's always proved rather easier to say than to do. What exactly do the toryboys think they will cut which will achieve anything meaningful?
Nobody said it was going to be easy. But it was achieved, remember the IMF insisting on it in the mid '70's? You know, the last time Labour bankrupted us.10 Pence Short said:
groak said:
s2art said:
groak said:
Can you be more definitive about how these "important" public spending waste cuts will benefit the economy as a whole, because I've heard about this from all shades of politicians since the '60's and up until now it's always proved rather easier to say than to do. What exactly do the toryboys think they will cut which will achieve anything meaningful?
Nobody said it was going to be easy. But it was achieved, remember the IMF insisting on it in the mid '70's? You know, the last time Labour bankrupted us.All that reasonably illustrates is WHY voting is a waste of time.
groak said:
10 Pence Short said:
groak said:
s2art said:
groak said:
Can you be more definitive about how these "important" public spending waste cuts will benefit the economy as a whole, because I've heard about this from all shades of politicians since the '60's and up until now it's always proved rather easier to say than to do. What exactly do the toryboys think they will cut which will achieve anything meaningful?
Nobody said it was going to be easy. But it was achieved, remember the IMF insisting on it in the mid '70's? You know, the last time Labour bankrupted us.All that reasonably illustrates is WHY voting is a waste of time.
only the encumbants know the real state of the finances. the rest simply know they're a mess and something needs to be done.
NoelWatson said:
I think he has been caught on tape slagging her off too!Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff