Lad killed by US wrong side driver, who's done a bunk...

[skwdenyer]

Biggy Stardust said:

poo at Paul's said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-6405...

here's another US military person up before the beak for killing a motorcyclist.
So, bail is granted, what's the betting she goes home to US for Xmas and doesn't come back....?

"The US Air Force had asserted jurisdiction in the case."

Do they honestly think they have any right to jurisdiction over what happens on the roads in England? Arrogant pricks.

This November judgement tells you what you need to know, and is interesting as to where that line is drawn (and, yes, there are jurisdictional agreements in place since 1952):

https://www.judiciary.uk/judgments/rex-v-mikayla-h...

[bolidemichael]

Another update with extensive quotation from Anne Sacoolas.

https://apple.news/Aa5eck-zyR_GOLAAX-EXi3g

[eliot]

It was clearly an accident - but doing a runner back to the states is the issue.

[Mastodon2]

She will forever be remembered as a feckless idiot and a coward.

[119]

I hope it properly haunts for the rest of her life.

[and31]

Imagine how furious the yanks would be if this was the other way round ….

[irc]

skwdenyer said:

Biggy Stardust said:

poo at Paul's said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-6405...

here's another US military person up before the beak for killing a motorcyclist.
So, bail is granted, what's the betting she goes home to US for Xmas and doesn't come back....?

"The US Air Force had asserted jurisdiction in the case."

Do they honestly think they have any right to jurisdiction over what happens on the roads in England? Arrogant pricks.

This November judgement tells you what you need to know, and is interesting as to where that line is drawn (and, yes, there are jurisdictional agreements in place since 1952):

https://www.judiciary.uk/judgments/rex-v-mikayla-h...

Not guilty after trial.

https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/24006508.suffolk-base...

[Oliver Hardy]

It took an ambulance 43 minutes to get to the guy!

[Rene Souffle]

irc said:

Not guilty after trial.

https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/24006508.suffolk-base...

I remember from the initial reports it would appear he was speeding. At the local bike meets around here it was mentioned he would normally ride in only a helmet and no protective clothing.

Very sad regardless but for someone to have been cleared completely, it might suggest there was equal blame?

Edited by Rene Souffle on Thursday 13th June 09:43

[SpidersWeb]

Rene Souffle said:

irc said:

Not guilty after trial.

https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/24006508.suffolk-base...

I remember from the initial reports it would appear he was speeding. At the local bike meets around here it was mentioned he would normally ride in only a helmet and no protective clothing.

Very sad regardless but for someone to have been cleared completely, it might suggest there was equal blame?

Not exactly bad visibility at that junction to prevent you seeing someone approaching on the A10 as you pull out to turn right

https://maps.app.goo.gl/wyJpuRxK6mjUBw487

or even for traffic coming from the left

https://maps.app.goo.gl/oWdE3KLoLKzxacZSA

"She said that traffic that Friday, at the start of the August bank holiday weekend, was “heavier than normal” - fed up of waiting and took a gamble when she saw a gap in the traffic from the left?

[turbobloke]

SpidersWeb said:

Rene Souffle said:

irc said:

Not guilty after trial.

https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/24006508.suffolk-base...

I remember from the initial reports it would appear he was speeding. At the local bike meets around here it was mentioned he would normally ride in only a helmet and no protective clothing.

Very sad regardless but for someone to have been cleared completely, it might suggest there was equal blame?

Not exactly bad visibility at that junction to prevent you seeing someone approaching on the A10 as you pull out to turn right

https://maps.app.goo.gl/wyJpuRxK6mjUBw487

or even for traffic coming from the left

https://maps.app.goo.gl/oWdE3KLoLKzxacZSA

"She said that traffic that Friday, at the start of the August bank holiday weekend, was “heavier than normal” - fed up of waiting and took a gamble when she saw a gap in the traffic from the left?

And yet the verdict doesn't suggest smidsy and nothing else, so what did the police investigation show regarding the biker? It's a tragedy for sure, with an investigation that must look at every angle, where are the results published?

[SpidersWeb]

turbobloke said:

SpidersWeb said:

Rene Souffle said:

irc said:

Not guilty after trial.

https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/24006508.suffolk-base...

I remember from the initial reports it would appear he was speeding. At the local bike meets around here it was mentioned he would normally ride in only a helmet and no protective clothing.

Very sad regardless but for someone to have been cleared completely, it might suggest there was equal blame?

Not exactly bad visibility at that junction to prevent you seeing someone approaching on the A10 as you pull out to turn right

https://maps.app.goo.gl/wyJpuRxK6mjUBw487

or even for traffic coming from the left

https://maps.app.goo.gl/oWdE3KLoLKzxacZSA

"She said that traffic that Friday, at the start of the August bank holiday weekend, was “heavier than normal” - fed up of waiting and took a gamble when she saw a gap in the traffic from the left?

And yet the verdict doesn't suggest smidsy and nothing else, so what did the police investigation show regarding the biker? It's a tragedy for sure, with an investigation that must look at every angle, where are the results published?

Nope, that's exactly what her defence was - she didn't see him approaching at 50mph on a nice late summer afternoon - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-67694334 and www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-67753020

Mikayla Hayes, 25, was heard by a witness saying "I didn't see him" after the crash

Mr Day, 33, was travelling south on the A10 on a red and white motorbike

Ms Hayes claimed the colour of the motorbike "appeared to blend into the road and sky".

PC Lee Smart, a forensic collision investigator with Norfolk Constabulary ... said that the type of headlight on the motorbike meant "if the engine's running and the headlight's working, the headlight should illuminate" ... estimated Mr Day's speed at 50mph.

And yet the jury didn't want to convict and instead decided to go with a 'just one of those things that happens' judgement.

[turbobloke]

SpidersWeb said:

turbobloke said:

SpidersWeb said:

Rene Souffle said:

irc said:

Not guilty after trial.

https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/24006508.suffolk-base...

I remember from the initial reports it would appear he was speeding. At the local bike meets around here it was mentioned he would normally ride in only a helmet and no protective clothing.

Very sad regardless but for someone to have been cleared completely, it might suggest there was equal blame?

Not exactly bad visibility at that junction to prevent you seeing someone approaching on the A10 as you pull out to turn right

https://maps.app.goo.gl/wyJpuRxK6mjUBw487

or even for traffic coming from the left

https://maps.app.goo.gl/oWdE3KLoLKzxacZSA

"She said that traffic that Friday, at the start of the August bank holiday weekend, was “heavier than normal” - fed up of waiting and took a gamble when she saw a gap in the traffic from the left?

And yet the verdict doesn't suggest smidsy and nothing else, so what did the police investigation show regarding the biker? It's a tragedy for sure, with an investigation that must look at every angle, where are the results published?

Nope, that's exactly what her defence was - she didn't see him approaching at 50mph on a nice late summer afternoon - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-67694334 and www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-67753020

Mikayla Hayes, 25, was heard by a witness saying "I didn't see him" after the crash

Mr Day, 33, was travelling south on the A10 on a red and white motorbike

Ms Hayes claimed the colour of the motorbike "appeared to blend into the road and sky".

PC Lee Smart, a forensic collision investigator with Norfolk Constabulary ... said that the type of headlight on the motorbike meant "if the engine's running and the headlight's working, the headlight should illuminate" ... estimated Mr Day's speed at 50mph.

And yet the jury didn't want to convict and instead decided to go with a 'just one of those things that happens' judgement.

Odd, but that was the decision.

[SpidersWeb]

turbobloke said:

Odd, but that was the decision.

It was, but what does it suggest if you can't get a conviction from a jury for careless driving for pulling out in front of a motorcyclist doing 50mph on a lovely sunny afternoon at a junction with no blind spots.

Do the public not consider bikes to be a 'normal' method of transport and the riders worthy of legal protection?
Do the public on the jury think 'there but for the grace of god' and reflect on the potential custodial sentence for giving a guilty verdict?

Whatever the answer, but personally I wouldn't want to be riding a bike these days.

[turbobloke]

SpidersWeb said:

turbobloke said:

Odd, but that was the decision.

It was, but what does it suggest if you can't get a conviction from a jury for careless driving for pulling out in front of a motorcyclist doing 50mph on a lovely sunny afternoon at a junction with no blind spots.

Do the public not consider bikes to be a 'normal' method of transport and the riders worthy of legal protection?
Do the public on the jury think 'there but for the grace of god' and reflect on the potential custodial sentence for giving a guilty verdict?

Whatever the answer, but personally I wouldn't want to be riding a bike these days.

Yes - odd!

I've never wanted to be riding a motorbike, preferring metal over flesh to flesh over metal. Each to their own etc.

[Squadrone Rosso]

She said she hadn’t had any training to drive over here.

HTF do most brits cope when we holiday abroad when the steering wheel & road are on opposite sides to what we are used to?

[irc]

Squadrone Rosso said:

She said she hadn’t had any training to drive over here.

HTF do most brits cope when we holiday abroad when the steering wheel & road are on opposite sides to what we are used to?

The number of foreign drivers involved in crashes on the A9 suggested that many don't cope completely.

As I type BBC Scotland news reports another fatal on the A9. Few details.

[Biggy Stardust]

Squadrone Rosso said:

She said she hadn’t had any training to drive over here.

HTF do most brits cope when we holiday abroad when the steering wheel & road are on opposite sides to what we are used to?

Why was she driving if she thought she couldn't handle it?

[irc]

Rene Souffle said:

I remember from the initial reports it would appear he was speeding. At the local bike meets around here it was mentioned he would normally ride in only a helmet and no protective clothing.

Very sad regardless but for someone to have been cleared completely, it might suggest there was equal blame?

Edited by Rene Souffle on Thursday 13th June 09:43

Not necessarily. Just the beyond reasonable doubt is a high standard of proof. There are numerous cases where people "cleared" at court are later successfully sued for damages because the standard of proof is lower in civil proceedings.

Random example. Court awarded damages. Rapist went bankrupt rather than pay them.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-e...

https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/david-goodwillie-pay...

[coldel]

Squadrone Rosso said:

She said she hadn’t had any training to drive over here.

HTF do most brits cope when we holiday abroad when the steering wheel & road are on opposite sides to what we are used to?

I was going to say this, wtf

Does she need shoe lace tying lessons too?

I mean how long was she in the UK before the accident, I dont see piles of UK cars on the sides of the roads smashed up at Calais

The world is going mad