UK General Election 2015
Discussion
handpaper said:
I'd be interested to know when he thought the right time to hold a referendum would be.
are you kidding?Never!
We the people will always be too stupid (and uncorrupted) to do anything but vote in clever people to make the decisions for us.
Snake is too kind a word for him.
MC Bodge said:
I'm not a fan of him, and never voted for Labour when he was leader, but I agree with him about an EU referendum.
The reactionary, older generation, voting public also probably are daft enough to vote us out of it.
The job of the government is to enact the will of the people, not to tell us they know better.The reactionary, older generation, voting public also probably are daft enough to vote us out of it.
Edited by MC Bodge on Tuesday 7th April 18:06
MGJohn said:
Based on all known form, the older generation voted for "IN" back in the 1970s including myself. We did not vote for the piss-taking sheister money grabbing organ ever more bleeding us that has since evolved.
In the event that Desperate Dave secures a "result" come May 7th, he and his team will find ways to further delay any In-Out referendum or vote beyond the promised 2017. Although why should he, as its a certainty to result in a stay in vote. So puzzling these delaying tactics when obviously the sensible folks of the UK will decide to stay in..... and will thus secure continuing membership kissing goodbye to ever increasing disproportionate contributions to the EU money fissures. The penalty for being a "successful" member of the organ if you believe the spin that all in the UK financial garden is luvverly.
My not being very bright, I see things this way. In the unlikely event that Dave is able to honour his promise come 2017. I shall then vote for OUT as in I'm ooot ... I say unlikely because I and all those thinking of voting UKIP are repeatedly assured by so voting, will ensure those nice Two Eds are better than one will occupy Nos. 10 and 11 come May 8th. Oh Dearie me ...
What fun that will be.
Despite that ever so nice for the benefit of the UK outcome, I shall still vote UKIP on May 7th as will several others in both my family and circle of friends. All including myself who mainly voted Labour more often than not in the past and one or two always vote Tory types. They've told me this and like myself, we are all very angry at the way things have evolved under recent Political administrations. It is the only way we can show any disapproval.
What I found really surprising in my very small poll, none of these folks have listened to my views or those of others. They have simply reached the decisions all by themselves based on how they actually see and experience things, rather that being told how good things really are. Several Lib-Dems I know will continue to vote that way but understand why and have respect for those who will put their big X alongside the UKIP candidates come May 7th. In the further unlikely event that my little poll is more widely represented in the no longer so green and pleasant .... who knows. That must be the big worry for the two major political parties.... and quite rightly so! They should be very worried, learn from it, take note and act accordingly. Based on all previous known form... FAT CHANCE!.
QED.In the event that Desperate Dave secures a "result" come May 7th, he and his team will find ways to further delay any In-Out referendum or vote beyond the promised 2017. Although why should he, as its a certainty to result in a stay in vote. So puzzling these delaying tactics when obviously the sensible folks of the UK will decide to stay in..... and will thus secure continuing membership kissing goodbye to ever increasing disproportionate contributions to the EU money fissures. The penalty for being a "successful" member of the organ if you believe the spin that all in the UK financial garden is luvverly.
My not being very bright, I see things this way. In the unlikely event that Dave is able to honour his promise come 2017. I shall then vote for OUT as in I'm ooot ... I say unlikely because I and all those thinking of voting UKIP are repeatedly assured by so voting, will ensure those nice Two Eds are better than one will occupy Nos. 10 and 11 come May 8th. Oh Dearie me ...
What fun that will be. Despite that ever so nice for the benefit of the UK outcome, I shall still vote UKIP on May 7th as will several others in both my family and circle of friends. All including myself who mainly voted Labour more often than not in the past and one or two always vote Tory types. They've told me this and like myself, we are all very angry at the way things have evolved under recent Political administrations. It is the only way we can show any disapproval.
What I found really surprising in my very small poll, none of these folks have listened to my views or those of others. They have simply reached the decisions all by themselves based on how they actually see and experience things, rather that being told how good things really are. Several Lib-Dems I know will continue to vote that way but understand why and have respect for those who will put their big X alongside the UKIP candidates come May 7th. In the further unlikely event that my little poll is more widely represented in the no longer so green and pleasant .... who knows. That must be the big worry for the two major political parties.... and quite rightly so! They should be very worried, learn from it, take note and act accordingly. Based on all previous known form... FAT CHANCE!.
Thanks!
wc98 said:
voyds9 said:
The job of the government is to enact the will of the people, not to tell us they know better.
exactly, why do blair and miliband think they have the right to pick and choose when democracy is enacted ? Of course in those days he was all for joining the single currency.
FiF said:
Yet this is the same Blair who said in 1999 "once in every generation the case for the EU needs to be stated..."
Of course in those days he was all for joining the single currency.
Which I never was. I remember thinking,Of course in those days he was all for joining the single currency.
"Germany? And Greece? Together in currency harmony? Eek!"
MC Bodge said:
Winston Churchill said:
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
The most recent yougov and populas polls both give Labour a 2 point advantage over the Tories.
http://may2015.com/category/poll-of-polls/
http://may2015.com/category/poll-of-polls/
BlackLabel said:
The most recent yougov and populas polls both give Labour a 2 point advantage over the Tories.
http://may2015.com/category/poll-of-polls/
We, the Wife & I, are watching this with great interest from afar. The fact that Labour has more than just nominal support boggles both our minds.http://may2015.com/category/poll-of-polls/
The option of stopping working is drawing closer and we had thought that it might be nice to do a number of years in the UK for a bit as it would allow my Wife to gain her British Passport (we've been married for years so it's not what you may be thinking) as it would be more convenient for other future travel plans. If Labour get in, then we'll basically scratch that idea.
The UK is a laughing stock abroad for it's immigration and welfare state. My Indian wife just shakes her head and wonders what happened to the country that once had the largest empire the world has ever seen and when did it's testicles dry up to the size of small raisins. Where is the strength of the British people? Why do they allow themselves to constantly have the piss thoroughly taken out of them by their own so called leaders and the PC brigade?
I think she has a point.
OpulentBob said:
Strocky said:
OpulentBob said:
For f
ks sake, the Scottish Indy thread is thataway --->
Would all the yes-voting nesbitts please keep their victimisation bile off of this thread? This one is about the UK-Wide GE, not the fking pretend powergames advocated by Sturgeon and her poor victimised idiot followers that make up about half a percent of anything meaningful, and the proposals that the majority of decent Scots voted against.
You sound rattled OB, take a breathks sake, the Scottish Indy thread is thataway ---> Would all the yes-voting nesbitts please keep their victimisation bile off of this thread? This one is about the UK-Wide GE, not the f
king pretend powergames advocated by Sturgeon and her poor victimised idiot followers that make up about half a percent of anything meaningful, and the proposals that the majority of decent Scots voted against.We can't have the tail wagging the dog.
However I agree with your sentiment, if Scotland votes for no Tories, allied to a near Labour wipeout then Westminster has no mandate in Scotland and the head should be lopped off post haste
Edited by Strocky on Wednesday 8th April 10:17
Strocky said:
Although you seem to be happy that the SE of England determine the government we end up with
However I agree with your sentiment, if Scotland votes for no Tories, allied to a near Labour wipeout then Westminster has no mandate in Scotland and the head should be lopped off post haste
You continue for your convenience to ignore the fact that 55% of Scots voted against independence. That is a fact. If the 45% through the first past the post system elect a majority of Scottish MPs, that does not give those MPs any mandate to reverse the independence referendum,. It merely gives them a mandate to represent their constituencies in the UK Parliament.However I agree with your sentiment, if Scotland votes for no Tories, allied to a near Labour wipeout then Westminster has no mandate in Scotland and the head should be lopped off post haste
Edited by Strocky on Wednesday 8th April 10:17
Strocky said:
OpulentBob said:
Strocky said:
OpulentBob said:
For fks sake, the Scottish Indy thread is thataway --->
Would all the yes-voting nesbitts please keep their victimisation bile off of this thread? This one is about the UK-Wide GE, not the fking pretend powergames advocated by Sturgeon and her poor victimised idiot followers that make up about half a percent of anything meaningful, and the proposals that the majority of decent Scots voted against.
You sound rattled OB, take a breathks sake, the Scottish Indy thread is thataway ---> Would all the yes-voting nesbitts please keep their victimisation bile off of this thread? This one is about the UK-Wide GE, not the f
king pretend powergames advocated by Sturgeon and her poor victimised idiot followers that make up about half a percent of anything meaningful, and the proposals that the majority of decent Scots voted against.We can't have the tail wagging the dog.
However I agree with your sentiment, if Scotland votes for no Tories, allied to a near Labour wipeout then Westminster has no mandate in Scotland and the head should be lopped off post haste
Edited by Strocky on Wednesday 8th April 10:17
Holyrood has no power to separate itself from Westminster without Westminster's say so.
Zod said:
You continue for your convenience to ignore the fact that 55% of Scots voted against independence. That is a fact. If the 45% through the first past the post system elect a majority of Scottish MPs, that does not give those MPs any mandate to reverse the independence referendum,. It merely gives them a mandate to represent their constituencies in the UK Parliament.
You take your sensible and democratic views out of here and wash your dirty mouth out with soap Zod - the nationalists aren't interested in such tripe.This is mighty impressive. If you didn't think Labour could shoot themselves in the foot any more than normal, I give you the following.
http://order-order.com/2015/04/08/bbc-on-labour-no...
http://order-order.com/2015/04/08/bbc-on-labour-no...
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