Welsh lockdown

[MG CHRIS]

Trophy Husband said:

MG CHRIS said:

Trophy Husband said:

MG CHRIS said:

Looks like all the lockdowns/ local lockdowns/ restrictions/ have been working a treat then oh no that's not happening is it. If its this bad the schools need to remain closed till at least end of jan if they don't makes any other measures a complete and utter waste of time. Lets see how much balls dripford and born guessing have.

I agree about schools but this creates huge childcare problems for most unless everything is shut down. My wife is a nurse and I run a construction company with 28 employees 16 of whom have kids. Either a new furlough with business support or.. .. . .....?
If this new strain is better at doing what it does then kids are probably the ideal vector as very few are symptomatic.
Thus, it is a nightmare for politicians everywhere in the world. Very few have got it right and those that may have are from countries where the population are rule compliant.
As I see it, the vaccination system is very much the only thing that can be improved and if I was a decision maker (thankfully I'm not!), I would be throwing the collective intellect of the medical profession and logistics businesses at this now. FFS, if Amazon can get a small item to my house 12 hours after I ordered it?
We need Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk and the rest of their ilk on this. They know how to get stuff done!

Well a lot of business cant open in wales most of hospitality cant and loads more people are working from home now. Even myself how works in a main dealer so can stay open are putting on flexi furlough for staff as they don't know how much work we will actually have. The showroom is closed so the salesmen are off we be down 2 techs throughout jan and feb. A few are getting on in age 50s age group. Im staying in throughout as I only started in November so cant be put on furlough so happy days.

But locking down while having schools still open is madness its like trying to stop a flood by putting a tiny sign up all we are achieving is fking over business while still having high cases.

Agree re schools as I said.
Hospitality? That's just tough but they need more guaranteed support. The good will survive, the carp will not.
I'm not sure you should be happy about zero chance of furlough though? I'd suggest that is a very precarious place to be but I wish you good luck.

Im a mot tester as well as a tech there is only 7 techs in the workshop 4 are testers 3 who do them regular 2 will be of at any one point of the rolling furlough they have set up. We still have loads of mots and general servicing so pretty safe for time being. Heck I was let go in November and got the job within 2 days there is a huge shortage of techs in the game atm specially decent ones. I think after feb I could be put on furlough if needed but from the chat they had with me they want me in throughout.

Ive also got one advantage im pretty young under 30 apart from one other the rest are in their 50s either close too retirement, have kids or in the case of one is in the shielding group. We all in a untested time im just playing one week at a time best not get to worked up about what iffs. I do have a few back up plans if things really go tits up though.

[Trophy Husband]

MG CHRIS said:

Im a mot tester as well as a tech there is only 7 techs in the workshop 4 are testers 3 who do them regular 2 will be of at any one point of the rolling furlough they have set up. We still have loads of mots and general servicing so pretty safe for time being. Heck I was let go in November and got the job within 2 days there is a huge shortage of techs in the game atm specially decent ones. I think after feb I could be put on furlough if needed but from the chat they had with me they want me in throughout.

Ive also got one advantage im pretty young under 30 apart from one other the rest are in their 50s either close too retirement, have kids or in the case of one is in the shielding group. We all in a untested time im just playing one week at a time best not get to worked up about what iffs. I do have a few back up plans if things really go tits up though.

It is optimism like you have as a young person that will really help us get through this. Best of luck to you.

[MG CHRIS]

Trophy Husband said:

MG CHRIS said:

Im a mot tester as well as a tech there is only 7 techs in the workshop 4 are testers 3 who do them regular 2 will be of at any one point of the rolling furlough they have set up. We still have loads of mots and general servicing so pretty safe for time being. Heck I was let go in November and got the job within 2 days there is a huge shortage of techs in the game atm specially decent ones. I think after feb I could be put on furlough if needed but from the chat they had with me they want me in throughout.

Ive also got one advantage im pretty young under 30 apart from one other the rest are in their 50s either close too retirement, have kids or in the case of one is in the shielding group. We all in a untested time im just playing one week at a time best not get to worked up about what iffs. I do have a few back up plans if things really go tits up though.

It is optimism like you have as a young person that will really help us get through this. Best of luck to you.

Well I got my health my house purchase went through beging of December new job after I said a few things I regret in my last place but locking back it was getting to much for me there. Its either look forward or never move on im going for the look forward choice.
Cheers its going to be a tough winter and a tough 2021 but better times are ahead hopefully lol.

[survivalist]

MG CHRIS said:

Landcrab_Six said:

survivalist said:

Could be people leaving Wales to go on Holiday and bringing it back? Crazy concept, I know

My money is on a virus being virus-ey.

Spot on im sick to death or people blaming either non mask wears/school kids/pubs/hospitality/shoppers/holiday makers/people travelling/people meeting up etc etc its a virus its spreads during winter more so than summer its no surprise the case numbers are going up.
Along with testing rates going up just over 500,000 test a day in the uk recently which will of course pick up more cases. But if you look at the lorry situation in dover over 10,000 test with just 24 positives wow such a high number not.

Just for clarity, my post was in response to Trophy Husbands angry post about ‘Mancs’ visiting his local town.

Simply pointing out that locals going on trips to higher prevalence areas are just as likely to be responsible for the spread as tourists coming in.

I completely agree that this is the natural behaviour of a virus. The idea that we can contain or control it seems like arrogance and/or stupidity to me.

[MG CHRIS]

survivalist said:

MG CHRIS said:

Landcrab_Six said:

survivalist said:

Could be people leaving Wales to go on Holiday and bringing it back? Crazy concept, I know

My money is on a virus being virus-ey.

Spot on im sick to death or people blaming either non mask wears/school kids/pubs/hospitality/shoppers/holiday makers/people travelling/people meeting up etc etc its a virus its spreads during winter more so than summer its no surprise the case numbers are going up.
Along with testing rates going up just over 500,000 test a day in the uk recently which will of course pick up more cases. But if you look at the lorry situation in dover over 10,000 test with just 24 positives wow such a high number not.

Just for clarity, my post was in response to Trophy Husbands angry post about ‘Mancs’ visiting his local town.

Simply pointing out that locals going on trips to higher prevalence areas are just as likely to be responsible for the spread as tourists coming in.

I completely agree that this is the natural behaviour of a virus. The idea that we can contain or control it seems like arrogance and/or stupidity to me.

Tbh didn't even see your post it was more the we need to blame someone attitude mainly of phw Facebook updates. It's like a sea of how idiots think.
How times changed back in the begining it was be kind we all in it together now it's every man women and dog for themselves.

[Byker28i]

Just people n heavily infected areas ignoring all sensible precautions - FFS!



Barry Island was 'rammed.. with v little social distancing' as people headed to the beach

Wales is currently in Level 4 which means people must stay at home
Barry Island was described as being as "busy as a summer's day" despite the Level 4 stay local restrictions in place in Wales.

There were reports of traffic queues getting into the town's car parks and long lines of customers at the takeaways after the sun came out on Sunday. Boxing Day was wet and windy, but it was sunnier on Sunday and coastal areas, including Barry Island and Cardiff Bay were reported to be extremely busy.



https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/barr...

[Trophy Husband]

Byker28i said:

Just people n heavily infected areas ignoring all sensible precautions - FFS!



Barry Island was 'rammed.. with v little social distancing' as people headed to the beach

Wales is currently in Level 4 which means people must stay at home
Barry Island was described as being as "busy as a summer's day" despite the Level 4 stay local restrictions in place in Wales.

There were reports of traffic queues getting into the town's car parks and long lines of customers at the takeaways after the sun came out on Sunday. Boxing Day was wet and windy, but it was sunnier on Sunday and coastal areas, including Barry Island and Cardiff Bay were reported to be extremely busy.



https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/barr...

This is the reason I'm in lockdown here in rural Snowdonia!
I understand the ethos behind "we're all in this together" but sadly and evidently we are not!
Who are these people? It shames us all.

[TTmonkey]

Byker28i said:

Just people n heavily infected areas ignoring all sensible precautions - FFS!



Barry Island was 'rammed.. with v little social distancing' as people headed to the beach

Wales is currently in Level 4 which means people must stay at home
Barry Island was described as being as "busy as a summer's day" despite the Level 4 stay local restrictions in place in Wales.

There were reports of traffic queues getting into the town's car parks and long lines of customers at the takeaways after the sun came out on Sunday. Boxing Day was wet and windy, but it was sunnier on Sunday and coastal areas, including Barry Island and Cardiff Bay were reported to be extremely busy.



https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/barr...

You see the rules don’t make sense. They state a simple ‘stay at home’.

What does this mean? Does it say, barricade your doors and not go out? No it clearly doesn’t as public space are open, parks are open, churches are open, schools (will) open.

What dies stay at home mean? If I sleep in my own home, I’m stay at home. If I go visit a friend, and stay the night there, I’m not staying at home.


This is from the Welsh government rules: why have this is ‘stay at home’ actually means you can’t go outside your home?

Welsh government rules said:

What can open at alert level 4

Schools, colleges and childcare providers (informal childcare should only be essential only).
Higher Education Institutions (mix of in-person and remote learning).
Places of worship.
Community centres - limited opening (for example, for essential public services).
Crematoriums
Playgrounds and public parks
Weddings, in venues that are allowed to be open, and funerals (ceremony limit set by venue).

Clearly to most people, the phrase ‘stay at home’ doesn’t mean you can’t go out. It means you can’t stay somewhere else.

The photo shows to me shows a number of people in small family groups roughly observing social distance from other small family groups. There seems to be adequate spacing between small groups. It’s outside in the open air in a space that’s not been closed down.

People are not being ordered to stay inside their own home. Stay at home means don’t stay somewhere that isn’t your home. If I booked into the premier inn, I wouldn’t be staying at home. However I can go to church for a visit as long as I return home.

If you read it differently to that then I’m afraid youre wrong. Because the existence of rules that specifically say you can go to other places shows you that you are wrong.

https://gov.wales/alert-level-4-guide

Tell me where in that page people can’t go out with their family for exercise (A walk on the prom or beach for example) in the local open air environment.

[MG CHRIS]

TTmonkey said:

Byker28i said:

Just people n heavily infected areas ignoring all sensible precautions - FFS!



Barry Island was 'rammed.. with v little social distancing' as people headed to the beach

Wales is currently in Level 4 which means people must stay at home
Barry Island was described as being as "busy as a summer's day" despite the Level 4 stay local restrictions in place in Wales.

There were reports of traffic queues getting into the town's car parks and long lines of customers at the takeaways after the sun came out on Sunday. Boxing Day was wet and windy, but it was sunnier on Sunday and coastal areas, including Barry Island and Cardiff Bay were reported to be extremely busy.



https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/barr...

You see the rules don’t make sense. They state a simple ‘stay at home’.

What does this mean? Does it say, barricade your doors and not go out? No it clearly doesn’t as public space are open, parks are open, churches are open, schools (will) open.

What dies stay at home mean? If I sleep in my own home, I’m stay at home. If I go visit a friend, and stay the night there, I’m not staying at home.


This is from the Welsh government rules: why have this is ‘stay at home’ actually means you can’t go outside your home?

Welsh government rules said:

What can open at alert level 4

Schools, colleges and childcare providers (informal childcare should only be essential only).
Higher Education Institutions (mix of in-person and remote learning).
Places of worship.
Community centres - limited opening (for example, for essential public services).
Crematoriums
Playgrounds and public parks
Weddings, in venues that are allowed to be open, and funerals (ceremony limit set by venue).

Clearly to most people, the phrase ‘stay at home’ doesn’t mean you can’t go out. It means you can’t stay somewhere else.

The photo shows to me shows a number of people in small family groups roughly observing social distance from other small family groups. There seems to be adequate spacing between small groups. It’s outside in the open air in a space that’s not been closed down.

People are not being ordered to stay inside their own home. Stay at home means don’t stay somewhere that isn’t your home. If I booked into the premier inn, I wouldn’t be staying at home. However I can go to church for a visit as long as I return home.

If you read it differently to that then I’m afraid youre wrong. Because the existence of rules that specifically say you can go to other places shows you that you are wrong.

https://gov.wales/alert-level-4-guide

Tell me where in that page people can’t go out with their family for exercise (A walk on the prom or beach for example) in the local open air environment.

Wow that looks so jam packed byker get a grip the chances of picking up the virus outside is bloody tiny which has been repeated by the advisors. Did we see a spike from the blm protest no did we see a spike when everyone went to the beach in summer no did we see a spike when we had the er protest in Cardiff in September no. Have we heard of mass infection from out door gathers no.
We are allowed out at least that's not banned yet ffs.

Stop fking blaming someone do what you need to do yourself and leave the rest of us to do what we need to do. Nothing we will or can do will change the plans of the government they have set the course and we are along for the ride.

Plus your using a wales online article really, they have about as little crediability as the daily express weather forecast they spout out.

Edited by MG CHRIS on Monday 28th December 10:31

[Ntv]

MG CHRIS said:

Trophy Husband said:

MG CHRIS said:

Trophy Husband said:

MG CHRIS said:

Looks like all the lockdowns/ local lockdowns/ restrictions/ have been working a treat then oh no that's not happening is it. If its this bad the schools need to remain closed till at least end of jan if they don't makes any other measures a complete and utter waste of time. Lets see how much balls dripford and born guessing have.

I agree about schools but this creates huge childcare problems for most unless everything is shut down. My wife is a nurse and I run a construction company with 28 employees 16 of whom have kids. Either a new furlough with business support or.. .. . .....?
If this new strain is better at doing what it does then kids are probably the ideal vector as very few are symptomatic.
Thus, it is a nightmare for politicians everywhere in the world. Very few have got it right and those that may have are from countries where the population are rule compliant.
As I see it, the vaccination system is very much the only thing that can be improved and if I was a decision maker (thankfully I'm not!), I would be throwing the collective intellect of the medical profession and logistics businesses at this now. FFS, if Amazon can get a small item to my house 12 hours after I ordered it?
We need Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk and the rest of their ilk on this. They know how to get stuff done!

Well a lot of business cant open in wales most of hospitality cant and loads more people are working from home now. Even myself how works in a main dealer so can stay open are putting on flexi furlough for staff as they don't know how much work we will actually have. The showroom is closed so the salesmen are off we be down 2 techs throughout jan and feb. A few are getting on in age 50s age group. Im staying in throughout as I only started in November so cant be put on furlough so happy days.

But locking down while having schools still open is madness its like trying to stop a flood by putting a tiny sign up all we are achieving is fking over business while still having high cases.

Agree re schools as I said.
Hospitality? That's just tough but they need more guaranteed support. The good will survive, the carp will not.
I'm not sure you should be happy about zero chance of furlough though? I'd suggest that is a very precarious place to be but I wish you good luck.

Im a mot tester as well as a tech there is only 7 techs in the workshop 4 are testers 3 who do them regular 2 will be of at any one point of the rolling furlough they have set up. We still have loads of mots and general servicing so pretty safe for time being. Heck I was let go in November and got the job within 2 days there is a huge shortage of techs in the game atm specially decent ones. I think after feb I could be put on furlough if needed but from the chat they had with me they want me in throughout.

Ive also got one advantage im pretty young under 30 apart from one other the rest are in their 50s either close too retirement, have kids or in the case of one is in the shielding group. We all in a untested time im just playing one week at a time best not get to worked up about what iffs. I do have a few back up plans if things really go tits up though.

Locking down while leaving schools open is obviously not madness If the benefits of leaving schools open outweigh the cost

You may not think they do. I think they do

We have very little idea how much damage we are doing to children and young people. In that ignorance we should be careful indeed about kicking kids out of school and disrupting normal social development.

[MG CHRIS]

Ntv said:

MG CHRIS said:

Trophy Husband said:

MG CHRIS said:

Trophy Husband said:

MG CHRIS said:

Looks like all the lockdowns/ local lockdowns/ restrictions/ have been working a treat then oh no that's not happening is it. If its this bad the schools need to remain closed till at least end of jan if they don't makes any other measures a complete and utter waste of time. Lets see how much balls dripford and born guessing have.

I agree about schools but this creates huge childcare problems for most unless everything is shut down. My wife is a nurse and I run a construction company with 28 employees 16 of whom have kids. Either a new furlough with business support or.. .. . .....?
If this new strain is better at doing what it does then kids are probably the ideal vector as very few are symptomatic.
Thus, it is a nightmare for politicians everywhere in the world. Very few have got it right and those that may have are from countries where the population are rule compliant.
As I see it, the vaccination system is very much the only thing that can be improved and if I was a decision maker (thankfully I'm not!), I would be throwing the collective intellect of the medical profession and logistics businesses at this now. FFS, if Amazon can get a small item to my house 12 hours after I ordered it?
We need Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk and the rest of their ilk on this. They know how to get stuff done!

Well a lot of business cant open in wales most of hospitality cant and loads more people are working from home now. Even myself how works in a main dealer so can stay open are putting on flexi furlough for staff as they don't know how much work we will actually have. The showroom is closed so the salesmen are off we be down 2 techs throughout jan and feb. A few are getting on in age 50s age group. Im staying in throughout as I only started in November so cant be put on furlough so happy days.

But locking down while having schools still open is madness its like trying to stop a flood by putting a tiny sign up all we are achieving is fking over business while still having high cases.

Agree re schools as I said.
Hospitality? That's just tough but they need more guaranteed support. The good will survive, the carp will not.
I'm not sure you should be happy about zero chance of furlough though? I'd suggest that is a very precarious place to be but I wish you good luck.

Im a mot tester as well as a tech there is only 7 techs in the workshop 4 are testers 3 who do them regular 2 will be of at any one point of the rolling furlough they have set up. We still have loads of mots and general servicing so pretty safe for time being. Heck I was let go in November and got the job within 2 days there is a huge shortage of techs in the game atm specially decent ones. I think after feb I could be put on furlough if needed but from the chat they had with me they want me in throughout.

Ive also got one advantage im pretty young under 30 apart from one other the rest are in their 50s either close too retirement, have kids or in the case of one is in the shielding group. We all in a untested time im just playing one week at a time best not get to worked up about what iffs. I do have a few back up plans if things really go tits up though.

Locking down while leaving schools open is obviously not madness If the benefits of leaving schools open outweigh the cost

You may not think they do. I think they do

We have very little idea how much damage we are doing to children and young people. In that ignorance we should be careful indeed about kicking kids out of school and disrupting normal social development.

Then what is the point of the lockdown if thousands of kids are still attending school with parents and grandparents interacting with that plus teachers. Either we have lockdown proper or nothing at all keeping closed certain sectors but keeping other open isn't doing anything to reduce infections but its killing the business that are forced to close. If we keep schools open then we be in this state till april or longer that is far more damaging. Its ok that kids are educated but if there is no business left they have no jobs to go into.

[Plymo]

By default, it is an offence in Wales to leave your home. As throughout the past 9 months, the Welsh regs have been "gold plated" and are much more restrictive than the rest of the UK.


1.—(1) No person may, without a reasonable excuse,
leave the place where they are living or remain away
from that place.
(2) For the purposes of sub-paragraph (1), a person
has a reasonable excuse if—
(a) the person leaves or remains away from the
place where they are living for a purpose that
is reasonably necessary and there is no
reasonably practicable alternative, or
(b) one of the circumstances in sub-paragraph (4)
applies.
"

It then gives the familiar list of reasonable excuses, including exercise, but then includes this:

"
(5) In sub-paragraph (4)(f)—
(a) exercise must start and finish at the place
where the person is living or where a member
of the person’s extended household is living,
or
(b) where, for reasons of physical or mental
illness or impairment, or a disability (within
the meaning of section 6 of the Equality Act
2010), the person needs to exercise in another
place, exercise must take place in an area
local to the place where the person is living.

"


Quite why the Welsh government considers driving to a deserted place to exercise alone such a serious risk of covid transmission that it has to be banned specifically is anyone's guess.

It's been guidance in other places, but many things that were only guidance in other places have been enthusiastically embraced as law in Wales.

It is also interesting to see that the current Welsh regs have a 4 tier system, but currently Tier 4 Alert Level 4 is listed as covering all of Wales.

[Drezza]

Byker28i said:

Just people n heavily infected areas ignoring all sensible precautions - FFS!



Barry Island was 'rammed.. with v little social distancing' as people headed to the beach

Wales is currently in Level 4 which means people must stay at home
Barry Island was described as being as "busy as a summer's day" despite the Level 4 stay local restrictions in place in Wales.

There were reports of traffic queues getting into the town's car parks and long lines of customers at the takeaways after the sun came out on Sunday. Boxing Day was wet and windy, but it was sunnier on Sunday and coastal areas, including Barry Island and Cardiff Bay were reported to be extremely busy.



https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/barr...

That doesn't even look bad, people need to get a grip and stop moaning about nothing. Look how empty that beach is!

[Byker28i]

TTmonkey said:

If you read it differently to that then I’m afraid youre wrong. Because the existence of rules that specifically say you can go to other places shows you that you are wrong.

https://gov.wales/alert-level-4-guide

Tell me where in that page people can’t go out with their family for exercise (A walk on the prom or beach for example) in the local open air environment.

At alert level 4 you must:

Follow social distancing rules with people you don’t live with or who are not in your support bubble.
Wear a face covering (if you are able to) in all indoor public places.
Stay at home.
Not create an extended household (single adults or single parents may join with one other household to form an exclusive support bubble).
Meet only the people you live with or your support bubble indoors.
Meet only your household or support bubble in private gardens.
Meet only your household or support bubble outdoors.
Work from home if you can.
Not travel without reasonable excuse.

Not travel without reasonable excuse

[Byker28i]

MG CHRIS said:

Wow that looks so jam packed byker get a grip the chances of picking up the virus outside is bloody tiny which has been repeated by the advisors.

Not surprised from you - you've consistently dismissed the virus.

All of wales is suffering because mostly the south from Newport to Swansea have been ignoring all sensible precautions and here we have evidence again of the same. Traffic queues, lots of people out and about in areas of the highest risk.


https://gov.wales/leaving-your-home-and-seeing-oth...
Coronavirus is spread by large droplets and aerosol transmission from breath. The risk is even greater when sneezing, coughing or talking loudly, from the mouth and nose. This means close contact with others, in particular face-to-face contact within 2 metres, is most likely to cause infection. The virus can live on some indoor surfaces for days and may be spread by people touching those surfaces, then touching their mouth or nose with unwashed hands. The virus is much less likely to be spread outside, although this depends in part on the weather conditions, and disperses more in well ventilated environments. The virus dies quickly in the summer sun but less so in colder conditions.


We know that minimising contact reduces infections rapidly. Just that you and many others seem to dismiss all reasonable advice, then moan when the global rules applied affects your area.

[MG CHRIS]

Byker28i said:

MG CHRIS said:

Wow that looks so jam packed byker get a grip the chances of picking up the virus outside is bloody tiny which has been repeated by the advisors.

Not surprised from you - you've consistently dismissed the virus.

All of wales is suffering because mostly the south from Newport to Swansea have been ignoring all sensible precautions and here we have evidence again of the same. Traffic queues, lots of people out and about in areas of the highest risk.


https://gov.wales/leaving-your-home-and-seeing-oth...
Coronavirus is spread by large droplets and aerosol transmission from breath. The risk is even greater when sneezing, coughing or talking loudly, from the mouth and nose. This means close contact with others, in particular face-to-face contact within 2 metres, is most likely to cause infection. The virus can live on some indoor surfaces for days and may be spread by people touching those surfaces, then touching their mouth or nose with unwashed hands. The virus is much less likely to be spread outside, although this depends in part on the weather conditions, and disperses more in well ventilated environments. The virus dies quickly in the summer sun but less so in colder conditions.


We know that minimising contact reduces infections rapidly. Just that you and many others seem to dismiss all reasonable advice, then moan when the global rules applied affects your area.

Im not dismissing this virus im well aware the effects on a small percentage of people however the guidelines, laws, measures, government have done is piss people off the messages have been mixed from the start even from the scientist remember at the start with the mask wont be needed oh that was a fat lie along with the its just for 3 weeks bullst.

We either lockdown properly or we don't these half measures wales and for the most part rest of the uk are doing is minimal to nothing to reduce infections along with massively fking up business and turning people away from abiding by said measures. Not to state the huge divide we now have between different areas and the abuse ive seen from mainly pro extreme lockdown types to anyone that dares suggest something else, we are in the worst of both worlds.

When will you see that for the fast part of Europe have similar rules some tighter so less so but the infection rate and deaths is pretty similar throughout so it shows we haven't got much control over this. Stop blaming people how just want to have a bit of fresh air and go for a walk when the chance of catching or indeed spreading the virus is very minimal outside. Lets see what the infections rate does I bet it stays static until schools go back when it will spike again.
As for the oh its the souths fault the north didn't look good over the summer it constently had the highest figures for a good number of months while the south stayed low then schools went back and oh what a surprise cases go up masks mandated then social distancing flew out the window because everyone thought this bit of cloth protected them.
Also looking at current cases the south has stabilised and now the north is catching up so get stuffed with the south vs north divide bullst.

Edited by MG CHRIS on Monday 28th December 16:41

[anonymous-user]

You can leave your home for a reasonable excuse, outdoor exercise, like the picture shown, is a reasonable excuse.

As is riding your motorbike, going for a bike ride, and a myriad of other outdoor based exercise.

My mum works for the NHS, they’ve had 1 patient death since March for pure COVID, every other death has had an underlying health issue.

A FOI for the three main N Wales hospitals showed, since MARCH, 23 people have died of COVID where there have been no underlying factors. I can’t find anything to suggest it’s false.

[Harrison Bergeron]

Drezza said:

That doesn't even look bad, people need to get a grip and stop moaning about nothing. Look how empty that beach is!

Now that the US election is over Byker has been left with a lot of free time so he's taken up curtain twitching/internet karening

[robuk]

Lord.Vader said:

My mum works for the NHS, they’ve had 1 patient death since March for pure COVID, every other death has had an underlying health issue.

Can you detail what a 'pure covid death' entails? I mean if that was me, how do I actually die ?


And as the topic has been well examined recently, due to the 300-400 figure for under 60's, the definition of underlying health issue includes a huge range for 'pre-existing' eg. any mental health diagnosis, a range of common conditions, and even then the 'other' contains stuff like eczema.

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Harrison Bergeron said:

Now that the US election is over Byker has been left with a lot of free time so he's taken up curtain twitching/internet karening

Christ the amount of anti Trump waffle is astonishing hopefully it doesn't splurge over to the CV19 threads in a similar fashion, looks like it may be too late...