Jacob Rees-Mogg
Discussion
Greg66 said:
With the possible exception of Nicholas Soames, I can't think of someone less likely to command popular support.
He seems to have quite a bit of support in NP&E on PH, which tells you everything you need to know about his chances in the real world.
Read Soames' twitter feed. He may be posh but he is a funny fHe seems to have quite a bit of support in NP&E on PH, which tells you everything you need to know about his chances in the real world.
ker!Please forgive the potentially errant apostrophe in this post. Never quite sure what to do under these circs.
TheLordJohn said:
Discussing whether JRM would make a good leader/PM is a waste of time as he'll still be leading a bunch of soppy liberals.
Until there's a genuinely conservative party i'll no longer be democratically abstaining; I'll vote Labour.
The Conservative party has always been a very liberal party. The most right-wing they've been is probably 2010-2016.Until there's a genuinely conservative party i'll no longer be democratically abstaining; I'll vote Labour.
What you seek isn't a Conservative party at all - it's UKIP. And as you've seen, UKIP have no MPs.
Murph7355 said:
I don't agree with his views on this, but the we are unlikely to agree with all the views of people in power.
He won't become PM as too many people in this country cannot see past the accent. It'll be nothing to do with his views on those two topics.
Likewise I don't agree with his views, though imo they could be a factor to explain why he will not become PM in the long run. Despite his ability to clearly express a position on various subjects, if he should at some point become leader of the Conservatives, that would, again imo, be a seriously negative thing for that party for reasons expressed, ie accent, appearance etc not sitting well with the hoi polloi.He won't become PM as too many people in this country cannot see past the accent. It'll be nothing to do with his views on those two topics.
desolate said:
Read Soames' twitter feed. He may be posh but he is a funny fker!
Please forgive the potentially errant apostrophe in this post. Never quite sure what to do under these circs.
Agree it's difficult to remember, but it appears that as his name ends in S, and he is singular, then it should be Soames's Twitter feed. The example in the punctuation guide is " Tom Jones’s first album."ker!Please forgive the potentially errant apostrophe in this post. Never quite sure what to do under these circs.
Rest assured, whichever way you write it, the majority wouldn't have a clue which way was correct, except for spelling and punctuation prefects. Not being one of them my approach is either guess, or if it's in a situation which really matters then look it up. Posts on PH don't count as really important enough to do other than guess frankly. I know, council.
Edited by FiF on Wednesday 6th September 15:00
Oakey said:
Zod said:
You clearly don’t know many Roman Catholics. I’ve met few (other than my grandparents’ generation) who hold such views, including priests.
So why is abortion still illegal in the RoI? Why is it difficult for women to get an abortion in Italy?Catholic orthodoxy is not fixed, nor is it dictated from the top. It appears to be fixed and top-down at any instant in time, but if you step back and apply some historical perspective it is clear that it is constantly evolving as society evolves.
This is why JRM's "I take Catholic teaching seriously" in the context of that interview was dangerously close to either an abdication of responsibility or an attempt to avoid discussion by pretending that certain beliefs are not open to debate because Catholicism is fixed, when it clearly isn't.
All of us should take Catholic teaching seriously, just as we should value the ideas of any individual or group who has made a serious effort to think about a subject. That goes without saying. What it doesn't do is take away our responsibility for what we believe, nor justify or explain our beliefs.
If anyone believes everything they are taught by an authoritative source because they believe the source to be authoritative, then they have virtually no personal convictions or principles at all. Their sole conviction is "anything that bloke tells me is true".
Either is permissible in the case of proper nouns, I believe. It's a matter of choosing a rule & sticking to it. So Soames' or Soames's is right. If you were pluralising things, it would become Soameses as in the Soameses are at the door, or if adding possession, Soameses' as in The Soameses' dog bit the Labour candidate again.
I don't think it will stop the majority of tory party members voting for him in a leadership election.
So if he does get in, it will depend on how his PR and media get it across, having seen the interview clip, the "I don't believe in it but these issues would always be a free vote" angle is fine by me- rather he is honest and upfront. Any whipped vote would be a deal breaker,
Tories don't have a lot of options, Boris has tarnished himself and Reese-Mogg seems to be popular and seen as 'cool' with the young online types who wouldn't vote for Theresa.
So if he does get in, it will depend on how his PR and media get it across, having seen the interview clip, the "I don't believe in it but these issues would always be a free vote" angle is fine by me- rather he is honest and upfront. Any whipped vote would be a deal breaker,
Tories don't have a lot of options, Boris has tarnished himself and Reese-Mogg seems to be popular and seen as 'cool' with the young online types who wouldn't vote for Theresa.
Interesting views to espouse if indeed he is gunning for the top job.
Will play well with some - but will go down badly with far more I think.
Personally for me, I don't consider anyone who believes in the ancient hocus pocus of an all powerful deity fit to hold office - shows a fundamental lack of critical reasoning ability to my mind.
But that's just me.
Will play well with some - but will go down badly with far more I think.
Personally for me, I don't consider anyone who believes in the ancient hocus pocus of an all powerful deity fit to hold office - shows a fundamental lack of critical reasoning ability to my mind.
But that's just me.
FiF said:
Agree it's difficult to remember, but it appears that as his name ends in S, and he is singular, then it should be Soame's Twitter feed.
No, you've just renamed him Soame. Eddie Strohacker said:
Either is permissible in the case of proper nouns, I believe. It's a matter of choosing a rule & sticking to it. So Soames' or Soames's is right.
Yes. FrankAbagnale said:
I couldn't in good conscience vote for someone who lets their religion be the superseding authority in their decision making process. I find it quite unnerving.
I think this is a reasonable position. However if not religion, when it comes to matters of morality what authority would you prefer?ou sont les biscuits said:
FN2TypeR said:
Neither can I but is gay marriage a deal breaker for the average voter? I wouldn't have thought that it was.
Well, it pretty much did for Tim Farron 
No one who has had the 'pleasure' of even slightly knowing Rees-Mogg will be in anyway surprised by this. He was an odious, attention-seeking, reactionary little st at 13 and nothing has changed since.
What is telling - and worrying - to me is that, unless I have missed it, Theresa May hasn't come out and publicly condemned him. It may be that she doesn't feel strong enough to but fear that it's more to do with the fact that she probably secretly agrees with him.
Either way, I despair of the Conservative party at the moment, it has moved about as far away from genuine Tory ideals as it is possible to get
t at 13 and nothing has changed since.What is telling - and worrying - to me is that, unless I have missed it, Theresa May hasn't come out and publicly condemned him. It may be that she doesn't feel strong enough to but fear that it's more to do with the fact that she probably secretly agrees with him.
Either way, I despair of the Conservative party at the moment, it has moved about as far away from genuine Tory ideals as it is possible to get
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