Northern Ireland
Discussion
Ructions said:
stupidbutkeen said:
Now yes Ulster scots is a language that everyone will turn around and scoff at...But it is just like Irish a underused almost dead language and the DUP would like it to have the very same protection as Irish would under any new act of law.
Ulster Scots is not a language, I could be kind and say it's a dialect, but it is a made up language. Have a look if you don't believe me, I guarantee you will be fluent, add it to your CV. God forbid one side would get something.The truth of the matter is, Arlene Foster was all for having a stand alone Irish language act, as well as an Ulster Scats act, but she couldn't sell it to the Orange Order or the Loyalist paramilitaries. Her party depends on both of these organisations for votes and she rewards them handsomely for doing so. Nothing has changed.
Sinn Fein know this and will not or can not accept the risk the DUP have made with their own voters.
Honestly in my own view, I would be happy to get rid of stormount and the millions of pounds in wages etc reassigned to other areas
stupidbutkeen said:
Honestly in my own view, I would be happy to get rid of stormount and the millions of pounds in wages etc reassigned to other areas
I'd agree on that, I think most people would.As a DUP voter can you not see that you would all be much better off in a united Ireland? I know your first reaction is going to be never, never, never, but if you look at Irish politics and how fractured it is, unionists would end up holding the balance of power in the event of a united Ireland. Something your community should think about. You would all be much better off financially in Ireland than you are in the UK, but your politicians cannot see beyond naked sectarian division while ignoring even basic economics.
Ructions said:
stupidbutkeen said:
Honestly in my own view, I would be happy to get rid of stormount and the millions of pounds in wages etc reassigned to other areas
I'd agree on that, I think most people would.As a DUP voter can you not see that you would all be much better off in a united Ireland? I know your first reaction is going to be never, never, never, but if you look at Irish politics and how fractured it is, unionists would end up holding the balance of power in the event of a united Ireland. Something your community should think about. You would all be much better off financially in Ireland than you are in the UK, but your politicians cannot see beyond naked sectarian division while ignoring even basic economics.
I voted for brexit and a united Ireland would just keep me right in the EU.
Better off? We are a backwater off the UK and get a block grant of around 8-10 billion of the UK gov, Aprox 60%+ of our economy is public service.
Explain how Ireland can make us better off or at least keep the economy from crashing once the UK pulled the plug.
I go on trips around Ireland 4-5 times a year and the cost of living is huge compared to here.
They use the euro and bow down to the Euro project.
They have to pay to use health services
balance of power? They hold that in the UK at the min and have a rock steady support when it comes to local elections.
You admit yourself than the north is a backwater, you must also be aware that the UK will stop propping up what is a failed entity, both politically and financially. You may well hold the balance of power in Westminster, but that is typical unionist short sightedness. The current arrangement with the Tories won't last forever, after the next election you will become an irrelevance for another generation. But within a generation you will be a minority in the north. It is time your politicians and your people woke up. You can't keep going back to your electorate with policies based in the late seventeenth century.
The NI economy is made up mainly of call centres and the civil service, industry has been in decline for decades and there is nowhere near enough investment. Living standards in many areas are appalling and many of the UK's poorest areas are in the north, but you somehow have a superiority complex over your neighbours, you are the people after all. It may have escaped your notice that the majority of people in the north voted to remain in Europe.
In contrast the southern Irish economy is thriving, one of the healthiest in Europe, despite coming through a horrendous recession and all that went with it. The Irish economy is greatly helped by it's generous corporation tax, but your average unionist wouldn't understand such matters. Post Brexit multinationals are fighting over office space in Dublin, why can't the same happen in the north? There just isn't the political will, the politicians cannot see past tribal politics and those that can don't last. There are very few forward thinking unionists, the only one that stood out was David Irvine and he wasn't exactly main stream. You're people are leaderless but all you seem to worry about is flegs, as the old saying goes, you can't eat a flag.
The NI economy is made up mainly of call centres and the civil service, industry has been in decline for decades and there is nowhere near enough investment. Living standards in many areas are appalling and many of the UK's poorest areas are in the north, but you somehow have a superiority complex over your neighbours, you are the people after all. It may have escaped your notice that the majority of people in the north voted to remain in Europe.
In contrast the southern Irish economy is thriving, one of the healthiest in Europe, despite coming through a horrendous recession and all that went with it. The Irish economy is greatly helped by it's generous corporation tax, but your average unionist wouldn't understand such matters. Post Brexit multinationals are fighting over office space in Dublin, why can't the same happen in the north? There just isn't the political will, the politicians cannot see past tribal politics and those that can don't last. There are very few forward thinking unionists, the only one that stood out was David Irvine and he wasn't exactly main stream. You're people are leaderless but all you seem to worry about is flegs, as the old saying goes, you can't eat a flag.
Ructions said:
You admit yourself than the north is a backwater, you must also be aware that the UK will stop propping up what is a failed entity, both politically and financially. You may well hold the balance of power in Westminster, but that is typical unionist short sightedness. The current arrangement with the Tories won't last forever, after the next election you will become an irrelevance for another generation. But within a generation you will be a minority in the north. It is time your politicians and your people woke up. You can't keep going back to your electorate with policies based in the late seventeenth century.
The NI economy is made up mainly of call centres and the civil service, industry has been in decline for decades and there is nowhere near enough investment. Living standards in many areas are appalling and many of the UK's poorest areas are in the north, but you somehow have a superiority complex over your neighbours, you are the people after all. It may have escaped your notice that the majority of people in the north voted to remain in Europe.
In contrast the southern Irish economy is thriving, one of the healthiest in Europe, despite coming through a horrendous recession and all that went with it. The Irish economy is greatly helped by it's generous corporation tax, but your average unionist wouldn't understand such matters. Post Brexit multinationals are fighting over office space in Dublin, why can't the same happen in the north? There just isn't the political will, the politicians cannot see past tribal politics and those that can don't last. There are very few forward thinking unionists, the only one that stood out was David Irvine and he wasn't exactly main stream. You're people are leaderless but all you seem to worry about is flegs, as the old saying goes, you can't eat a flag.
it may be a backwater But growth has been on par if not higher than the Uk.The NI economy is made up mainly of call centres and the civil service, industry has been in decline for decades and there is nowhere near enough investment. Living standards in many areas are appalling and many of the UK's poorest areas are in the north, but you somehow have a superiority complex over your neighbours, you are the people after all. It may have escaped your notice that the majority of people in the north voted to remain in Europe.
In contrast the southern Irish economy is thriving, one of the healthiest in Europe, despite coming through a horrendous recession and all that went with it. The Irish economy is greatly helped by it's generous corporation tax, but your average unionist wouldn't understand such matters. Post Brexit multinationals are fighting over office space in Dublin, why can't the same happen in the north? There just isn't the political will, the politicians cannot see past tribal politics and those that can don't last. There are very few forward thinking unionists, the only one that stood out was David Irvine and he wasn't exactly main stream. You're people are leaderless but all you seem to worry about is flegs, as the old saying goes, you can't eat a flag.
The Irish economy is a 1 trick pony built on low corp tax rates, Indeed they even go against the EU rules on the matter sometimes.
The problem happens when the Irish boom hits the rails again and it crash's.
I would rather have the Uk on my side than the Irish gov in a bad situation.
Oh and before you say Ireland has the whole of the EU so has greece and I would rather live in a poor part of the UK thank you.
But here is the rub....It isnt me makes the decisions and if more than 50% of the population wanted a united Ireland I would accept that.
Eric Mc said:
Yep - that's always been the Unionist position. If the UK plane is on fire and about to crash but there is an Irish Nationalist parachute available, they'd prefer to go down with the plane.
You can't argue with that type of thinking.
You certainly can't Eric.You can't argue with that type of thinking.
I was in Belfast last week for the first time in a while recently, it's great to see so many positive changes. Thriving shops and nightlife, but move just inches outside the city centre and it's as if nothing has changed. Sandy Row and the Donegall Rd haven't moved on over the last half century. Walk across the road to Botanic and Stranmillis and it's a different world. I can only speak about the areas I visited but it's shocking how neglected some parts really are, but they have their bonfires or as they are now known, cultural expression centres. If they could only get out from behind the pallets they might see that them'uns are doing OK.
Ructions said:
Eric Mc said:
Yep - that's always been the Unionist position. If the UK plane is on fire and about to crash but there is an Irish Nationalist parachute available, they'd prefer to go down with the plane.
You can't argue with that type of thinking.
You certainly can't Eric.You can't argue with that type of thinking.
I was in Belfast last week for the first time in a while recently, it's great to see so many positive changes. Thriving shops and nightlife, but move just inches outside the city centre and it's as if nothing has changed. Sandy Row and the Donegall Rd haven't moved on over the last half century. Walk across the road to Botanic and Stranmillis and it's a different world. I can only speak about the areas I visited but it's shocking how neglected some parts really are, but they have their bonfires or as they are now known, cultural expression centres. If they could only get out from behind the pallets they might see that them'uns are doing OK.
I'm from Northern Ireland but live and work in Dublin now. Whilst it's not the land of milk and honey it's being made out to be by some, I do prefer it here. Funnily enough the politics of NI doesn't come into conversation here, as quite rightfully people couldn't care less outside of any impact brexit will have to business etc.
Ructions, you make some valid if slightly naive points. The cost of living in the South is astronomical compared to the UK. Anywhere in the UK.
There are houses around Dublin that will be in negative equity for a generation.
Northern Ireland is increasingly becoming dependent on the mainland for it's entire existence. The Government spend per head of population is vastly greater than the rest of the UK. The South simply couldn't afford to take it on, there is no gain, only a sudden drain on the welfare state. Look what happened when Germany reunified, it was catastrophic for an economy their size, never mind Ireland's.
There are houses around Dublin that will be in negative equity for a generation.
Northern Ireland is increasingly becoming dependent on the mainland for it's entire existence. The Government spend per head of population is vastly greater than the rest of the UK. The South simply couldn't afford to take it on, there is no gain, only a sudden drain on the welfare state. Look what happened when Germany reunified, it was catastrophic for an economy their size, never mind Ireland's.
Tyre Smoke said:
Ructions, you make some valid if slightly naive points. The cost of living in the South is astronomical compared to the UK. Anywhere in the UK.
There are houses around Dublin that will be in negative equity for a generation.
Northern Ireland is increasingly becoming dependent on the mainland for it's entire existence. The Government spend per head of population is vastly greater than the rest of the UK. The South simply couldn't afford to take it on, there is no gain, only a sudden drain on the welfare state. Look what happened when Germany reunified, it was catastrophic for an economy their size, never mind Ireland's.
I'd have been called naive if I'd said then years ago that SF would be desperately trying to get back into government at Stormont, while the DUP would do the exact opposite.There are houses around Dublin that will be in negative equity for a generation.
Northern Ireland is increasingly becoming dependent on the mainland for it's entire existence. The Government spend per head of population is vastly greater than the rest of the UK. The South simply couldn't afford to take it on, there is no gain, only a sudden drain on the welfare state. Look what happened when Germany reunified, it was catastrophic for an economy their size, never mind Ireland's.
Post Brexit Dublin will be sending food parcels to Belfast.
Ructions said:
Eric Mc said:
Yep - that's always been the Unionist position. If the UK plane is on fire and about to crash but there is an Irish Nationalist parachute available, they'd prefer to go down with the plane.
You can't argue with that type of thinking.
You certainly can't Eric.You can't argue with that type of thinking.
I was in Belfast last week for the first time in a while recently, it's great to see so many positive changes. Thriving shops and nightlife, but move just inches outside the city centre and it's as if nothing has changed. Sandy Row and the Donegall Rd haven't moved on over the last half century. Walk across the road to Botanic and Stranmillis and it's a different world. I can only speak about the areas I visited but it's shocking how neglected some parts really are, but they have their bonfires or as they are now known, cultural expression centres. If they could only get out from behind the pallets they might see that them'uns are doing OK.
k all to get their people on it.Tyre Smoke said:
Ructions said:
Post Brexit Dublin will be sending food parcels to Belfast.
I assume you are posting that very much tongue in cheek. Your patriotism for your country is admirable, but your argument for unification does not add up fiscally.
Maybe my argument for unification doesn't add up, but since when did anything in the north add up fiscally? The very existence of the state depends on hand outs from Westminster.
The Island was partitioned with the will of the majority of the North.
Your last line demonstrates why unification will never happen. The South is in love with the idea of a United Ireland, but the reality is the south cannot afford the North. The North only exists because of the ever increasing handouts from Westminster. There is a sizeable majority (irrespective of political persuasion or religion) in the North that want to remain part of the UK. The South has absolutely no hope in the foreseeable future of Dublin ever being able to afford all the civil servants and call centre operatives in the North or the cost of the unemployment resulting in unification.
The time will come when Westminster (or more accurately the British taxpayer) becomes fed up supporting the bigots and bombers in the six counties. And then what will they do?
Bigots and bombers was a flippant remark
Your last line demonstrates why unification will never happen. The South is in love with the idea of a United Ireland, but the reality is the south cannot afford the North. The North only exists because of the ever increasing handouts from Westminster. There is a sizeable majority (irrespective of political persuasion or religion) in the North that want to remain part of the UK. The South has absolutely no hope in the foreseeable future of Dublin ever being able to afford all the civil servants and call centre operatives in the North or the cost of the unemployment resulting in unification.
The time will come when Westminster (or more accurately the British taxpayer) becomes fed up supporting the bigots and bombers in the six counties. And then what will they do?
Bigots and bombers was a flippant remark
Tyre Smoke said:
Ructions said:
Post Brexit Dublin will be sending food parcels to Belfast.
I assume you are posting that very much tongue in cheek. Your patriotism for your country is admirable, but your argument for unification does not add up fiscally.
http://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-northern-ireland-...
iphonedyou said:
Ructions said:
No matter how you look at it, Ireland was partitioned against the will of the majority of its people.
And, no matter how you look at it, the south can't afford the north. There ends the hope for reunification.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff