Javier Milei wins Argentina election
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Is it automatically better in North Korea? Or under the Arab Socialist Ba'arth Party in Syria? Cuba or Hamas?
"The right" certainly don't have a monopoly on being poor judges of character, or leading countries to disaster.
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On that basis the net result of Nazi rule was a massive increase in the size and scope of the state, central planning, rationing and restrictions on trade, which could be seen as left wing.
Is it automatically better in North Korea? Or under the Arab Socialist Ba'arth Party in Syria? Cuba or Hamas?
"The right" certainly don't have a monopoly on being poor judges of character, or leading countries to disaster.
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On that basis the net result of Nazi rule was a massive increase in the size and scope of the state, central planning, rationing and restrictions on trade, which could be seen as left wing.
Tankrizzo said:
I just don't get the whole "I believe in small state and not being told what to do by faceless bureaucrats" which is then followed by "belief in God is the cornerstone of a decent hierarchy". Surely one runs counter to the other.
God is the ultimate faceless bureaucrat.
Tankrizzo said:
I just don't get the whole "I believe in small state and not being told what to do by faceless bureaucrats" which is then followed by "belief in God is the cornerstone of a decent hierarchy". Surely one runs counter to the other.
I think the idea would be that religion teaches us each how to properly use the freedom that we have, whereas libertarianism merely clarifies what freedom is. RichTT said:
I think the idea would be that religion teaches us each how to properly use the freedom that we have, whereas libertarianism merely clarifies what freedom is.
The freedom to rape little boys, then get your bishop to cover it up? To commit genocide and kill those people who believe in different things? To restrict certain parts of society and ensure your 'lot' retain control?Religion should be kept out of politics, it brings nothing but hate and division.
RichTT said:
Tankrizzo said:
I just don't get the whole "I believe in small state and not being told what to do by faceless bureaucrats" which is then followed by "belief in God is the cornerstone of a decent hierarchy". Surely one runs counter to the other.
I think the idea would be that religion teaches us each how to properly use the freedom that we have, whereas libertarianism merely clarifies what freedom is. wc98 said:
hairykrishna said:
That's not really the case any more, at least in my experience. All the ordinary Argentinians I know are pretty vocal about the fact that they've had a useless shower in charge for far too long.
That's good to hear, the above was some time ago. Tankrizzo said:
I just don't get the whole "I believe in small state and not being told what to do by faceless bureaucrats" which is then followed by "belief in God is the cornerstone of a decent hierarchy". Surely one runs counter to the other.
I'm hoping this is a new trend , resulting in Ted Nugent becoming POTUS.You gotta try it...
RichTT said:
Tankrizzo said:
I just don't get the whole "I believe in small state and not being told what to do by faceless bureaucrats" which is then followed by "belief in God is the cornerstone of a decent hierarchy". Surely one runs counter to the other.
I think the idea would be that religion teaches us each how to properly use the freedom that we have, whereas libertarianism merely clarifies what freedom is. tangerine_sedge said:
RichTT said:
I think the idea would be that religion teaches us each how to properly use the freedom that we have, whereas libertarianism merely clarifies what freedom is.
The freedom to rape little boys, then get your bishop to cover it up? To commit genocide and kill those people who believe in different things? To restrict certain parts of society and ensure your 'lot' retain control?Religion should be kept out of politics, it brings nothing but hate and division.
All libertarians begin with a conception of personal autonomy from which they argue in favor of civil liberties and a reduction or elimination of the state.
Secondly of importance is the concept of property. That includes ownership over your own physical body and the products of its labor.
Things that would, and should be set out in law to punish those who transgress against those basic fundamental rights of freedom. Bearing also in mind that Milei is technically an Ancap (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism) and is more in line with the ethics of the Non Aggression Principle.
On the moral point of view, the ten commandments would prohibit both of those.
THOU SHALT NOT KILL. - unjust killing; suicide; abortion; sterilization; dueling; endangering life and limb of self or others.
THOU SHALT NOT STEAL. - theft; damage to the property of others
In 2020 Milei called Pope Francis an “imbecile” and “the representative of the Evil One on earth” because he defends “social justice.”
He has also called Pope Francis a “filthy leftist,” an “embarrassing communist,” a “piece of s
t” and a “potato.” (The Spanish word for “pope” also means “potato.”)So he has no particular love for the catholic state as an institution it would appear.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/16/world/americas/...
Edited by RichTT on Wednesday 22 November 04:15
Mabbs9 said:
Was discussed previously. "Now we have to see how we are going to get them back. It is clear that the war option is not a solution.
"We had a war - that we lost - and now we have to make every effort to recover the islands through diplomatic channels."
RichTT said:
Mabbs9 said:
Was discussed previously. "Now we have to see how we are going to get them back. It is clear that the war option is not a solution.
"We had a war - that we lost - and now we have to make every effort to recover the islands through diplomatic channels."
That's going to be a tough sell.
hidetheelephants said:
JuanCarlosFandango said:
He could have a 2nd career as a Robert Shaw lookalike when he gets turfed out by the electorate after they discover his ideas are impractical nonsense.RichTT said:
Was discussed previously.
"Now we have to see how we are going to get them back. It is clear that the war option is not a solution.
"We had a war - that we lost - and now we have to make every effort to recover the islands through diplomatic channels."
What a shame , the last one was great for our self confidence, "Now we have to see how we are going to get them back. It is clear that the war option is not a solution.
"We had a war - that we lost - and now we have to make every effort to recover the islands through diplomatic channels."
RichTT said:
Was discussed previously.
"Now we have to see how we are going to get them back. It is clear that the war option is not a solution.
"We had a war - that we lost - and now we have to make every effort to recover the islands through diplomatic channels."
Which is fine as policy position to his electorate. "Now we have to see how we are going to get them back. It is clear that the war option is not a solution.
"We had a war - that we lost - and now we have to make every effort to recover the islands through diplomatic channels."
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