The increasingly rapid demise of our Country

[Pothole]

I'll tell you how we can gauge the demise of the country in PH terms. I was in a retail outlet earlier and purchased a T-shirt with this on it, thinking it was fun and would raise a laugh or an eyebrow or two:



The young man at the till said 'who's this supposed to be, then?'

'Steve McQueen in Bullitt'

'Steve who?'

'McQueen, in Bullitt, you know the film...with what is widely acknowledged (not in this house) to be the best car chase in any film ever'

'never heard of it, anyway my best car chase is at the end of Gone In 60 Seconds'

'Which one, oh, you mean the remake, with Nicholas Cage?'

'was it a remake?'

'Never mind'

'I don't really go for muscle cars, I'm saving to be an E36 316 to convert it into an Alpina *** replica'

'zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz'

[Zwoelf]

Pothole said:

I'll tell you how we can gauge the demise of the country in PH terms.

Not really a demise of the country in PH terms is it though? Just a salient reminder of what an insignificant proportion of the general public that those of us of a PH persuasion really are.

[Pothole]

Zwoelf said:

Pothole said:

I'll tell you how we can gauge the demise of the country in PH terms.

Not really a demise of the country in PH terms is it though? Just a salient reminder of what an insignificant proportion of the general public that those of us of a PH persuasion really are.

No, no, I tell you the whole dammned shooting match (brake) is going to pot!!!!!!!

[Zwoelf]

Pothole said:

Zwoelf said:

Pothole said:

I'll tell you how we can gauge the demise of the country in PH terms.

Not really a demise of the country in PH terms is it though? Just a salient reminder of what an insignificant proportion of the general public that those of us of a PH persuasion really are.

No, no, I tell you the whole dammned shooting match (brake) is going to pot!!!!!!!

Cool T-shirt however.

[Apache]

Pothole said:

I'll tell you how we can gauge the demise of the country in PH terms. I was in a retail outlet earlier and purchased a T-shirt with this on it, thinking it was fun and would raise a laugh or an eyebrow or two:



The young man at the till said 'who's this supposed to be, then?'

'Steve McQueen in Bullitt'

'Steve who?'

'McQueen, in Bullitt, you know the film...with what is widely acknowledged (not in this house) to be the best car chase in any film ever'

'never heard of it, anyway my best car chase is at the end of Gone In 60 Seconds'

'Which one, oh, you mean the remake, with Nicholas Cage?'

'was it a remake?'

'Never mind'

'I don't really go for muscle cars, I'm saving to be an E36 316 to convert it into an Alpina *** replica'

'zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz'

f*%$""£ing little sh#*ferbrains di"£#.......sorry, sorry people like that give me a bad case of tourretes.........or courgettes if my spell checker had it's way. ARSE!

[markcoznottz]

Eric Mc said:

markcoznottz said:

We get the country we deserve. Most legislation is EU derived, our politicians are PUPPETS, they simply rubber stamp all EU dictats. We signed the Lisbon treaty, thats it folks really, it certainly isnt going to get any better.

Defeatist atitude.

Things definitely won't get better if everyone thinks like that.

The penny only dropped for me recently though. I never realised how much control they had over us, our political elite gleefully accept these changes being wrought upon us because they and thier families can earn salary packages unheard of in the private sector.

[Ozzie Osmond]

markcoznottz said:

The penny only dropped for me recently though. I never realised how much control they had over us, our political elite gleefully accept these changes being wrought upon us because they and thier families can earn salary packages unheard of in the private sector.

Yup, the British public keep allowing the political elite to erode basic freedoms.

For instance. All those rioters getting hauled before the courts. Just how exactly are they being found? I've got 50p says it's by Big Brother poking its nose into mobile phone and internet records - in other words private personal information.

Next thing you know we'll all be fitted with a chip to record everything we say and do.

The innocent have nothing to fear. Right.

[anonymous-user]

Pothole said:

is even clicking on a link too much effort?

Of course I clicked it, I can see a column containing the same words, I can't however see, who penned them originally

I assume from your exasperated tone that it was her and I should self flagellate for not knowing

[Pothole]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

indeed, just try not to enjoy it.

[Pothole]

Ozzie Osmond said:

markcoznottz said:

The penny only dropped for me recently though. I never realised how much control they had over us, our political elite gleefully accept these changes being wrought upon us because they and thier families can earn salary packages unheard of in the private sector.

Yup, the British public keep allowing the political elite to erode basic freedoms.

For instance. All those rioters getting hauled before the courts. Just how exactly are they being found? I've got 50p says it's by Big Brother poking its nose into mobile phone and internet records - in other words private personal information.

Next thing you know we'll all be fitted with a chip to record everything we say and do.

The innocent have nothing to fear. Right.

I'll see your 50p and raise you a grand that most of them are being shopped by their neighbours after their pictures have appeared on billboards, both static and mobile.

Edited by Pothole on Wednesday 24th August 00:08

[Bing o]

Ozzie Osmond said:

The innocent have nothing to fear. Right.

Given that it was the innocent people's houses, cars and businesses getting burnt down, and the guilty are being sentenced to jail time, then I would suggest that the best way to make the innocent less afraid is to continue locking up those whose moral fibre is so broken that mass acts of wanton vandalism and theft is acceptable.

[markcoznottz]

Bing o said:

Ozzie Osmond said:

The innocent have nothing to fear. Right.

Given that it was the innocent people's houses, cars and businesses getting burnt down, and the guilty are being sentenced to jail time, then I would suggest that the best way to make the innocent less afraid is to continue locking up those whose moral fibre is so broken that mass acts of wanton vandalism and theft is acceptable.

Agreed. My point was more that the political machine, both domestic and EU, is stifling the enterprise sector, ie cutting its own nose off to spite its face, its all a big laugh, only the jokes on us.

[anonymous-user]

Pothole said:

ndeed, just try not to enjoy it.

Too late, although I did think of you the whole time

[deltaevo16]

Some very good comments in this thread.

The riots were only the tip of the iceberg I fear, we live in a society where our political leaders are morally bankrupt, they need to be whiter than white if they are to be in positions of power. Yet time and again they are caught with their hands in the till. How can they begin to preach to the youth of this country, when they think nothing about cheating/stealing from the tax payer. We cannot reprimand children, in fact upto a certain age they appear untouchable,
free from punishment and moral guidence

When I was a child/teenager we did things wrong, we did our share of vandalism, arson, setting fires in woods and the obligatory railway embankment. We also spent all day out playing footie and cricket. TV was boring pretty much apart from drooling over pans people. I suppose the difference between then and now, is that we knew we were doing wrong and if you got a thick ear from your neighbour, you knew you would get another one from your dad.

We still respected the law, knew right from wrong, knew and understood punishment. Only ever got caught smoking at school once, caned once and never did it again. Benefit culture where I lived was pretty non existent, though I had a period of free dinners (shame), whilst my dad was on a student grant. We grew up in a council house, which were nicely maintained. The seventies in a northern pit village, wasn't easy, folk didn't have much but we were happy, I guess that sounds a little rose tinted, but its true.

Its hard for me to pinpoint when the demise started, was it a product of the Thatcher era?. The think is the next generation, the ones who were rioting the other week, how will they bring their children up, what or who will they respect. The fact of the matter is this, if parts of this country is broke, then it needs fixing and quick, however I doubt it will happen because no one has the backbone to do it.

[AshVX220]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/

It's gonna happen.

[Derek Smith]

deltaevo16 said:

. . . we live in a society where our political leaders are morally bankrupt, they need to be whiter than white if they are to be in positions of power. Yet time and again they are caught with their hands in the till. How can they begin to preach to the youth of this country, when they think nothing about cheating/stealing from the tax payer.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2029437/Ja...

If this is true - it is the Mail - then I feel your suggestion is all too true.

I'm stunned that a Home Sec should even consider doing such a thing.

Whiter than white, eh? It will take a fair bit of bleach to get such stains out.

[crofty1984]

I got on the train to Tor Bay at the weekend. The sun was out, the sea looked beautiful and the line along the coast made me feel how lucky I was to live in England.

Cheer up.

[Johnnytheboy]

Derek Smith said:

deltaevo16 said:

. . . we live in a society where our political leaders are morally bankrupt, they need to be whiter than white if they are to be in positions of power. Yet time and again they are caught with their hands in the till. How can they begin to preach to the youth of this country, when they think nothing about cheating/stealing from the tax payer.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2029437/Ja...

If this is true - it is the Mail - then I feel your suggestion is all too true.

I'm stunned that a Home Sec should even consider doing such a thing.

Whiter than white, eh? It will take a fair bit of bleach to get such stains out.

Do you think she paid them in p0rn?

[230TE]

Here's something that shocked me a bit. To set the scene: I work in an industrial unit on a cul-de-sac, well away from any houses. Working late one Thursday evening, about 9.00, access door at the back open. Everyone else on the estate has gone home and the place is deserted. I'm underneath a vehicle when I hear a load of small stones being chucked into the workshop and a high-pitched child's voice shouts "Wr!" So I go out of the door to have a look and there are four girls on bikes, pedalling away as fast as they can.

I don't mean teenage girls. These were around seven or eight years old, little kids on little pink bicycles. There is so much wrong here that I don't really know where to start. OK, when I was that age my mates and I used to do stupid things, like wandering around deserted building sites and climbing up the scaffolding, sneaking into the back of the local scrapyard and nicking the instruments out of Mk2 Jags etc etc. But we didn't go round trying to provoke trouble with random grown-ups that we didn't know, and we didn't hang around deserted industrial estates late in the evening (mainly because our parents wouldn't let us out after six). Also we were boys, which makes a difference somehow.

I wondered whether to report it to police or social services, but there wasn't really anything to report. No names, no descriptions. I just hope those girls don't pick a fight with someone nasty.

[Zwoelf]

230TE said:

OK, when I was that age my mates and I used to do stupid things, like wandering around deserted building sites and climbing up the scaffolding, sneaking into the back of the local scrapyard and nicking the instruments out of Mk2 Jags etc etc.

Isn't really all that different TBH:

230TE said:

But we didn't go round trying to provoke trouble with random grown-ups that we didn't know, and we didn't hang around deserted industrial estates late in the evening (mainly because our parents wouldn't let us out after six). Also we were boys, which makes a difference somehow.

We got up to most of that stuff - especially in the latter half of the summer holidays where we were all bored at home and our parents bored of us being bored. We were allowed out so long as we were in before it got dark, which in summer can be up to 10pm - and we got up to all sorts of mischief (mostly boys, but a few girls as well) that would have got us into lots of trouble with adults, had we been caught.

But this was the late '80s/early '90s, so before paedos had been invented...