Where can they cut back on money???
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rover 623gsi said:
DonkeyApple said:
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/proper...
Seem to be s
t loads of big properties in North Wales for bugger all rent.
This bohemoth could be paid for out of his fag, lager and Sky spend.
That property is in the middle of nowhere – meaning the family would almost certainly incur more travel costs and possibly higher food bills (unless there is a Tesco next door, which I don’t think there is). I note also that the energy rating is very low so fuel bills are unlikely to drop. And I doubt that the family has the money for a deposit or to cover any moving bills.Seem to be s
t loads of big properties in North Wales for bugger all rent.This bohemoth could be paid for out of his fag, lager and Sky spend.
Besides, why do they need to go anywhere? They don't work. I'm sure there will be a bus service withing a few miles to take the kids to school until they reach 16 and can get paid for staying at home.
I'm sure Tescos will deliver.
I don’t have huge sympathy for this family – though I don’t feel the same venom for them that most do on here. I wouldn’t like their lifestyle – they’re not living in luxury and they have little hope of ever improving their situation.
These people have poverty of ambition and imagination as much as anything else. The father especially ought to man up and get himself a job – have these people no pride? My dad wouldn’t have been able to look at himself in the mirror if he’d been unemployed for that long – I know that he would have felt that he failed in his duty as a parent, and as a man. But I do know that once people/families get in this situation it can be very difficult to get out and the housing issue in particular is not an easy one to fix.
These people have poverty of ambition and imagination as much as anything else. The father especially ought to man up and get himself a job – have these people no pride? My dad wouldn’t have been able to look at himself in the mirror if he’d been unemployed for that long – I know that he would have felt that he failed in his duty as a parent, and as a man. But I do know that once people/families get in this situation it can be very difficult to get out and the housing issue in particular is not an easy one to fix.
lose the booze and fags. Try and cut down at least. But SKY should be banned from selling its services to people on benefits. Freeview? You really can't see anything on Sky that you cannot miss.
ETA: he's a software writer and he can't change his product to non-educational software, or even re-train over a ten year period? No he's a shyster.
I'm being made redundant and I'm going to have to retrain. Not going to take me ten years to do it. I'd be worried if it took me ten weeks.
ETA: he's a software writer and he can't change his product to non-educational software, or even re-train over a ten year period? No he's a shyster.
I'm being made redundant and I'm going to have to retrain. Not going to take me ten years to do it. I'd be worried if it took me ten weeks.
Edited by Mikeyboy on Thursday 2nd February 13:04
P-Jay said:
Word fail me. I haven't read all 10 pages, but I suspect their is a long list of people who've said:
10x 20 cigs @£6 is it these days? = £60
Pouch of baccy £10?
And future load on NHS due to abuse on body?10x 20 cigs @£6 is it these days? = £60
Pouch of baccy £10?
Along with the booze.
Feckless idiot of a father. If he can program, and program educational software, why not write some for free, host a website, and get something positive coming from his free time? Lazy lazy bugger!
rover 623gsi said:
I don’t have huge sympathy for this family – though I don’t feel the same venom for them that most do on here. I wouldn’t like their lifestyle – they’re not living in luxury and they have little hope of ever improving their situation.
These people have poverty of ambition and imagination as much as anything else. The father especially ought to man up and get himself a job – have these people no pride? My dad wouldn’t have been able to look at himself in the mirror if he’d been unemployed for that long – I know that he would have felt that he failed in his duty as a parent, and as a man. But I do know that once people/families get in this situation it can be very difficult to get out and the housing issue in particular is not an easy one to fix.
I don’t think people in this kind of situation get much help from society apart from money. What we all job centres were born out of dole offices and generally don’t see much in the way of real jobs. After all if an employer has a vacancy is s/he going to place an ad in the paper or call the job centre?These people have poverty of ambition and imagination as much as anything else. The father especially ought to man up and get himself a job – have these people no pride? My dad wouldn’t have been able to look at himself in the mirror if he’d been unemployed for that long – I know that he would have felt that he failed in his duty as a parent, and as a man. But I do know that once people/families get in this situation it can be very difficult to get out and the housing issue in particular is not an easy one to fix.
In this case maybe the mother is not able to look after the children properly in which case the guy probably feels he has to stay at home as carer. To get a worthwhile job he would probably have to stay away from home which is impossible in this situation. If the guys main priority is to do his best for his family then maybe this is currently it.
I think if they could live close to some retired family members who would help with the kids then the parents could maybe achieve something. I don’t have much experience with job centres really but I don’t think they’re able to offer much help other than sort out all the benefits. I don’t think there’s anyone there who could help the family towards independence and maybe it isn’t possible anyway.
DonkeyApple said:
Why would an employer advertise in a JobCentre when Eastern Europeans will knock on his door for work.
I really see no point in jobcentres as they wire the money electronically so people don't even need to leave their house.
They need to alter them by weeding out the lost causes and sending them to boot camps so that the job centre really became a place full of people wanting jobs and people helping them get them.
The organisation I worked was very closely aligned to the jobcentre. More funding was obtained by placing long term unemployed, alcohol and drug users, or ethnic minorities onto training courses (there were, quite literally, various boxes to tick) and CV workshops. I really see no point in jobcentres as they wire the money electronically so people don't even need to leave their house.
They need to alter them by weeding out the lost causes and sending them to boot camps so that the job centre really became a place full of people wanting jobs and people helping them get them.
We should not consign people to the scrapheap, but they did not seem interested in helping individuals into work. The staff finished the day happy in the knowledge that another poor soul had been enrolled on the presentation skills course that they would never turn up for.
I met the ‘Head Of’ the organisation earlier this year. She laughed and joked that it had been shut down when the Tories came in, that they all knew it wasn’t really needed (the same kind of activity goes on in job centres after all)m that it did not help people into work but washed them round the benefits system.
The people themselves were miserable, forced to participate in a pointless game to keep their benefits. It did not strike me as a pleasant existence.
There should be basic courses to create a useful CV, and some interview coaching. These are quick and easy.
Companies don’t want to risk hiring the unemployed. There is a perception (especially with small businesses without an HR department) that should it go wrong, they will prove costly to get rid of in time and money.
The government should therefore allow companies to hire risk free under some circumstances, and provide a ‘rep’ to reassure companies that this is the case.
There should also be an option to hire at under the minimum wage to allow the long term unemployed to get experience. This should not affect benefits aside from refusal to work meaning they are withdrawn.
Raymond could then be hired at low risk and cost, prove he can do a basic job and return to the workforce.
I haven't read all 10 pages, but I suspect there is a long list of people who've said:
10x 20 cigs @£6 is it these days? = £60
Pouch of baccy £10?
Sky £15
HEATING OR EATING - WHAT A fkING TOOL.
Sky is always one that annoys me, it seems to me it's far more of a 'must have' to the unemployed than those who choose to work. £60 a month is pretty much the 'full package' too.
TEN YEARS unemployed, so forgetting any rises in benefits (and of course the endless NHS costs for all those kids) this lot have taken £300k+ out of the pot and put nothing in.
There is no excuse for someone who's able bodied to be out of work for a decade, a decade that saw one of the biggest economic booms in recent history, and all that guff about "The market for my skills dried up 10 years ago" bks, so he's a software writer that’s skill-set is so impossibly narrow he become obsolete - utter utter bullst. If I was a dole Officer or whatever they're called and he sat at my desk and tried to pass "I'm looking for work as a educational software writer, an industry that died a decade ago which if still existed I'd been horribly out of touch with" I tell him to sod off and pass over an application form with Netto written at the top.
It's also worth remembering that £30k a year in benefits is 'tax free' for want of a better term, to pocket that a year working he'd need a job for about £41k a year.
"wife Katherine suffers from bipolar disorder with an anxiety disorder and is unable to work" taking the rest of the information into account, I'd say that crap as well.
10x 20 cigs @£6 is it these days? = £60
Pouch of baccy £10?
Sky £15
HEATING OR EATING - WHAT A f
kING TOOL.Sky is always one that annoys me, it seems to me it's far more of a 'must have' to the unemployed than those who choose to work. £60 a month is pretty much the 'full package' too.
TEN YEARS unemployed, so forgetting any rises in benefits (and of course the endless NHS costs for all those kids) this lot have taken £300k+ out of the pot and put nothing in.
There is no excuse for someone who's able bodied to be out of work for a decade, a decade that saw one of the biggest economic booms in recent history, and all that guff about "The market for my skills dried up 10 years ago" b
ks, so he's a software writer that’s skill-set is so impossibly narrow he become obsolete - utter utter bullst. If I was a dole Officer or whatever they're called and he sat at my desk and tried to pass "I'm looking for work as a educational software writer, an industry that died a decade ago which if still existed I'd been horribly out of touch with" I tell him to sod off and pass over an application form with Netto written at the top. It's also worth remembering that £30k a year in benefits is 'tax free' for want of a better term, to pocket that a year working he'd need a job for about £41k a year.
"wife Katherine suffers from bipolar disorder with an anxiety disorder and is unable to work" taking the rest of the information into account, I'd say that crap as well.
P-Jay said:
"wife Katherine suffers from bipolar disorder with an anxiety disorder and is unable to work" taking the rest of the information into account, I'd say that crap as well.
Anxiety disorder, probably from being house ridden for years and not doing anything.They are just lazy.
Anything they say is just a blinkered lame excuse.
Dave
0a said:
DonkeyApple said:
Why would an employer advertise in a JobCentre when Eastern Europeans will knock on his door for work.
I really see no point in jobcentres as they wire the money electronically so people don't even need to leave their house.
They need to alter them by weeding out the lost causes and sending them to boot camps so that the job centre really became a place full of people wanting jobs and people helping them get them.
The organisation I worked was very closely aligned to the jobcentre. More funding was obtained by placing long term unemployed, alcohol and drug users, or ethnic minorities onto training courses (there were, quite literally, various boxes to tick) and CV workshops. I really see no point in jobcentres as they wire the money electronically so people don't even need to leave their house.
They need to alter them by weeding out the lost causes and sending them to boot camps so that the job centre really became a place full of people wanting jobs and people helping them get them.
We should not consign people to the scrapheap, but they did not seem interested in helping individuals into work. The staff finished the day happy in the knowledge that another poor soul had been enrolled on the presentation skills course that they would never turn up for.
I met the ‘Head Of’ the organisation earlier this year. She laughed and joked that it had been shut down when the Tories came in, that they all knew it wasn’t really needed (the same kind of activity goes on in job centres after all)m that it did not help people into work but washed them round the benefits system.
The people themselves were miserable, forced to participate in a pointless game to keep their benefits. It did not strike me as a pleasant existence.
There should be basic courses to create a useful CV, and some interview coaching. These are quick and easy.
Companies don’t want to risk hiring the unemployed. There is a perception (especially with small businesses without an HR department) that should it go wrong, they will prove costly to get rid of in time and money.
The government should therefore allow companies to hire risk free under some circumstances, and provide a ‘rep’ to reassure companies that this is the case.
There should also be an option to hire at under the minimum wage to allow the long term unemployed to get experience. This should not affect benefits aside from refusal to work meaning they are withdrawn.
Raymond could then be hired at low risk and cost, prove he can do a basic job and return to the workforce.
For starters, with the CV and interview training why not do it there and then when they are in the building. Don't give them a chance to swerve it.
But the reality is that staff will know who is trying, who is genuinely useless, and who is swinging the lead. They should be able to put people into those 3 groups and treat them accordingly. Proper top level help for group one supplied under contract by an existing private firm like Reed etc. Level 2 get similar help but internal and group 3 are sent to boot camp to be re-educated by retired squaddies to get them into a better frame of mind.
Labour really need to support the Tories on this. They half do by saying they need a variable cut blblabla
Just agree ffs and get the ball rolling before peoples self entitlement grows.
Then when labour are in power they can decide who gets more money where ( which will never happen)
The fact that 2 parties can not agree on a policy becasue "the other party made it up" is childish stupid and is just ruining any decent decisions put foward.
This needs to happen!
Just agree ffs and get the ball rolling before peoples self entitlement grows.
Then when labour are in power they can decide who gets more money where ( which will never happen)
The fact that 2 parties can not agree on a policy becasue "the other party made it up" is childish stupid and is just ruining any decent decisions put foward.
This needs to happen!
AJS- said:
DonkeyApple said:
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/proper...
Seem to be st loads of big properties in North Wales for bugger all rent.
This bohemoth could be paid for out of his fag, lager and Sky spend.
That's a nice house as well. I was paying more than that for a bedsit in London a few years ago. Seem to be s
t loads of big properties in North Wales for bugger all rent.This bohemoth could be paid for out of his fag, lager and Sky spend.
I really hate that f
k Raymondo now.DonkeyApple said:
I really see no point in jobcentres as they wire the money electronically so people don't even need to leave their house.
They need to alter them by weeding out the lost causes and sending them to boot camps so that the job centre really became a place full of people wanting jobs and people helping them get them.
The JobCentre Plus in my home town could be replaced by a free-phone and a notice board, for that is all the actually offer to people LOOKING for work!!! The rest of the place/staff is centred solely on maintaining the habitually unemployed in the lifestyle they have become accustomed to.They need to alter them by weeding out the lost causes and sending them to boot camps so that the job centre really became a place full of people wanting jobs and people helping them get them.
If you are truly looking for employ you will simply be given a list of employers to phone, nothing more. No advice, no coaching, no arrangements, no tips or advice.
Deva Link said:
AJS- said:
DonkeyApple said:
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/proper...
Seem to be st loads of big properties in North Wales for bugger all rent.
This bohemoth could be paid for out of his fag, lager and Sky spend.
That's a nice house as well. I was paying more than that for a bedsit in London a few years ago. Seem to be s
t loads of big properties in North Wales for bugger all rent.This bohemoth could be paid for out of his fag, lager and Sky spend.
I really hate that f
k Raymondo now.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff