Vince Cable - discuss

[Mr GrimNasty]

Eddie Strohacker said:

I love it round here late at night when all the usual aholes tumble out of Wetherspoons.

Clamp that sphincter tight, don't let alternative views incite.

[crankedup]

turbobloke said:

Eddie Strohacker said:

Disagree though on referenda in general. It's insufficient to argue they're worthy for epochal moments, we don't hold them for wars, I see no reason why one is called for to determine some nebulous notion of control or sovereignty heavily misrepresented by one side or the other. I pay my MP to do this stuff on my behalf via my democratic franchise & I'm content with that arrangement.

Events can be urgent, important, or urgant and important in varying degrees; holding a referendum on a major constitutional matter likewise. War is something that any one government acting on its own is unlikely to have total control over in terms of timing and other factors including how many third parties get involved. Being a member (or not) of the EU is/was something that benefited from the luxury of importance without immediate urgency. The analogy with war is superficially attractive but it turns out to bw weak. In addition, as with many constitutional matters, past use offers no guide to the future.

We may 'let' and pay elected MPs decide things for us and if so then letting them decide when to go to the people with a referendum is one of those things. MPs decided to hold a referendum on continued EU membership, not us. No part of your argument above holds up.

The peasants of the UK had been gagging for a referendum on the EU question, and we at long last were granted the democratic freedom to voice our wish. Now we have the political snakes withering around led by my old pal VC. However, even he concedes that the sabotage of Brexit is all but over.

[Eddie Strohacker]

Deptford Draylons said:

Poor little victim boy Eddie is angry tonight. Can I provoke you into answering the question of by how much you were stating the UK/EU trade will decline by so as to be unrecoverable ?

Lol. I like that you really, really despise me. The futility of your rage is fascinating. Night x

[Mr GrimNasty]

Eddie Strohacker said:

Deptford Draylons said:

Poor little victim boy Eddie is angry tonight. Can I provoke you into answering the question of by how much you were stating the UK/EU trade will decline by so as to be unrecoverable ?

Lol. I like that you really, really despise me. The futility of your rage is fascinating. Night x

What's the matter Ed, wet nurse all dried up. There's always formula..........

[Deptford Draylons]

Eddie Strohacker said:

Deptford Draylons said:

Poor little victim boy Eddie is angry tonight. Can I provoke you into answering the question of by how much you were stating the UK/EU trade will decline by so as to be unrecoverable ?

Lol. I like that you really, really despise me. The futility of your rage is fascinating. Night x

Despise is the wrong word, I pity you and your victim mentality, along with the lack of honesty and evasive nature.

[princealbert23]

Deptford Draylons said:

Eddie Strohacker said:

Deptford Draylons said:

Poor little victim boy Eddie is angry tonight. Can I provoke you into answering the question of by how much you were stating the UK/EU trade will decline by so as to be unrecoverable ?

Lol. I like that you really, really despise me. The futility of your rage is fascinating. Night x

Despise is the wrong word, I pity you and your victim mentality, along with the lack of honesty and evasive nature.

It is simply attention seeking behaviour. Children do it a lot.

[ATG]

princealbert23 said:

Deptford Draylons said:

Eddie Strohacker said:

Deptford Draylons said:

Poor little victim boy Eddie is angry tonight. Can I provoke you into answering the question of by how much you were stating the UK/EU trade will decline by so as to be unrecoverable ?

Lol. I like that you really, really despise me. The futility of your rage is fascinating. Night x

Despise is the wrong word, I pity you and your victim mentality, along with the lack of honesty and evasive nature.

It is simply attention seeking behaviour. Children do it a lot.

Look up the thread a bit and you'll see Eddie having an intelligent conversation with someone who holds an opposing view. So ask yourselves, is Eddie the problem, or is it you?

[jonnyb]

ATG said:

Look up the thread a bit and you'll see Eddie having an intelligent conversation with someone who holds an opposing view. So ask yourselves, is Eddie the problem, or is it you?

I think self reflection is a bit beyond DD

[Deptford Draylons]

jonnyb said:

ATG said:

Look up the thread a bit and you'll see Eddie having an intelligent conversation with someone who holds an opposing view. So ask yourselves, is Eddie the problem, or is it you?

I think self reflection is a bit beyond DD

As is reflecting on the idea that being upset and trying to devalue someones vote on their age looks a bit desperate, along with the sudden dislike referendums when you end up on the losing side.

I find the nonacceptance and retrospective excuse making sad and typical of arrogant idiots, like Eddie. This was is probably best exampled by those Remainers who thought they would get an approval of the EU which would then crush any objections to it and settle it forevermore, bit like when Paddy Ashdown spoke before the result was in and said he wouldn't respect anyone who didn't respect the result, only to then do the ardent Remainer/EU tactic of voting again in a way to make you achieve the 'correct result, the twisted logic being referendums being bad, but accepting one more in the off chance it reverses the result to give you what you want.

[TTwiggy]

Personally, I didn't like the idea of the referendum as soon as it was announced and I would still dislike it had the result gone the other way.

[Eddie Strohacker]

Deptford Draylons said:

jonnyb said:

ATG said:

Look up the thread a bit and you'll see Eddie having an intelligent conversation with someone who holds an opposing view. So ask yourselves, is Eddie the problem, or is it you?

I think self reflection is a bit beyond DD

As is reflecting on the idea that being upset and trying to devalue someones vote on their age looks a bit desperate, along with the sudden dislike referendums when you end up on the losing side.

I find the nonacceptance and retrospective excuse making sad and typical of arrogant idiots, like Eddie. This was is probably best exampled by those Remainers who thought they would get an approval of the EU which would then crush any objections to it and settle it forevermore, bit like when Paddy Ashdown spoke before the result was in and said he wouldn't respect anyone who didn't respect the result, only to then do the ardent Remainer/EU tactic of voting again in a way to make you achieve the 'correct result, the twisted logic being referendums being bad, but accepting one more in the off chance it reverses the result to give you what you want.

Which was not anything to do with what was being said to you, so entirely in keeping with your arrogant & aggressive nature.

As far as I'm concerned, you're nothing more than a bang average right wing troll with zero self awareness on a site stuffed with them, only too happy to throw a few fks in at will to derail a thread, so if you find me so distasteful, feel free to ignore me as you've implored AJD to do on several occasions but can't quite seem to rise to the same standard yourself. Trust me, I've already got an ahole, I don't need another one.

[SantaBarbara]

Eddie Strohacker said:

I love it round here late at night when all the usual aholes tumble out of Wetherspoons.

Is that a good shot, or is it a negligent discharge?

[Deptford Draylons]

TTwiggy said:

Personally, I didn't like the idea of the referendum as soon as it was announced and I would still dislike it had the result gone the other way.

I think a smallish number of MPs thought the same and voted not to give the public a referendum, something I thought a brave decision from them in a way. The reality behind it though for many of them is I suspect also driven solely by the fact they knew the public mood was for Out and therefore why take a chance, and not some great moral tone of backing the idea of voting for representatives to make these decisions for the public, although I accept that could be the case for some. Basically, 40 years after the last one, I don't think it that bad the public is allowed to revisit the subject again.

[TTwiggy]

Deptford Draylons said:

TTwiggy said:

Personally, I didn't like the idea of the referendum as soon as it was announced and I would still dislike it had the result gone the other way.

I think a smallish number of MPs thought the same and voted not to give the public a referendum, something I thought a brave decision from them in a way. The reality behind it though for many of them is I suspect also driven solely by the fact they knew the public mood was for Out and therefore why take a chance, and not some great moral tone of backing the idea of voting for representatives to make these decisions for the public, although I accept that could be the case for some. Basically, 40 years after the last one, I don't think it that bad the public is allowed to revisit the subject again.

I can accept the idea that if a referendum took us in then one should be required to take us out. My issue is that it was always going to be a tight result one way or the other and that as such it would only sow seeds of resentment and anger.

[Deptford Draylons]

TTwiggy said:

Deptford Draylons said:

TTwiggy said:

Personally, I didn't like the idea of the referendum as soon as it was announced and I would still dislike it had the result gone the other way.

I think a smallish number of MPs thought the same and voted not to give the public a referendum, something I thought a brave decision from them in a way. The reality behind it though for many of them is I suspect also driven solely by the fact they knew the public mood was for Out and therefore why take a chance, and not some great moral tone of backing the idea of voting for representatives to make these decisions for the public, although I accept that could be the case for some. Basically, 40 years after the last one, I don't think it that bad the public is allowed to revisit the subject again.

I can accept the idea that if a referendum took us in then one should be required to take us out. My issue is that it was always going to be a tight result one way or the other and that as such it would only sow seeds of resentment and anger.

I agree, but that's the tough reality of life. To deny one would also possibly have the same consequences, or worse with a greater push to the right given it is so tied up with sovereignty and immigration.
Anyway, back to Vince and co. Playing the ' I devalue your vote based on your age card, when I would normally talk sanctimoniously about all votes being equal ' is a bit sad.

[Deptford Draylons]

Eddie Strohacker said:

Which was not anything to do with what was being said to you, so entirely in keeping with your arrogant & aggressive nature.

As far as I'm concerned, you're nothing more than a bang average right wing troll with zero self awareness on a site stuffed with them, only too happy to throw a few fks in at will to derail a thread, so if you find me so distasteful, feel free to ignore me as you've implored AJD to do on several occasions but can't quite seem to rise to the same standard yourself. Trust me, I've already got an ahole, I don't need another one.

///ajd has only ever been asked to answer the questions. But like you, he only does selective answers when he thinks there's nothing to be gained from answering questions . Bit like the other day when multiple people asked you very reasonably to expand on a point you made about the decline in UK/EU trade where you stated it would reach a point as to be unrecoverable.
You do a have a point though, I should be able to resist prodding you into your little victim boy act and that's a failing of mine.

[Eddie Strohacker]

Deptford Draylons said:

Bit like the other day when multiple people asked you very reasonably to expand on a point you made about the decline in UK/EU trade where you stated it would reach a point as to be unrecoverable.

Let's have it right, you asked me to answer a question I had already answered & said so. That it's not to your satisfaction is your problem.

The other question you asked repeatedly is how I vote in elections, which is none of your business. The fact that I told you it's none of your business over & again is not the same as being evasive but since like Footnote noted you prefer to try to lay little internet traps for people instead of just asking a straight question marks you out as a troll amongst trolls. So call me selective & evasive all you like, I know you're lying & that's all that counts.

As others noted, this thread was bobbing along civilly, then you turned up & look where it is now...

[FN2TypeR]

Eddie Strohacker said:

Let's have it right, you asked me to answer a question I had already answered & said so. That it's not to your satisfaction is your problem.

The other question you asked repeatedly is how I vote in elections, which is none of your business. The fact that I told you it's none of your business over & again is not the same as being evasive but since like Footnote noted you prefer to try to lay little internet traps for people instead of just asking a straight question marks you out as a troll amongst trolls. So call me selective & evasive all you like, I know you're lying & that's all that counts.

As others noted, this thread was bobbing along civilly, then you turned up & look where it is now...

I know, foolish comments like this being bandied about:

I love it round here late at night when all the usual aholes tumble out of Wetherspoons.

Pathetic

[Deptford Draylons]

Eddie Strohacker said:

Deptford Draylons said:

Bit like the other day when multiple people asked you very reasonably to expand on a point you made about the decline in UK/EU trade where you stated it would reach a point as to be unrecoverable.

Let's have it right, you asked me to answer a question I had already answered & said so. That it's not to your satisfaction is your problem.

The other question you asked repeatedly is how I vote in elections, which is none of your business. The fact that I told you it's none of your business over & again is not the same as being evasive but since like Footnote noted you prefer to try to lay little internet traps for people instead of just asking a straight question marks you out as a troll amongst trolls. So call me selective & evasive all you like, I know you're lying & that's all that counts.

As others noted, this thread was bobbing along civilly, then you turned up & look where it is now...

Nope, you are twisting what I said. I asked what the answer was and you ignored it. I asked you again and you said you'd answered. I said it must have been missed by me and could you link it or just repeat the answer to save all this back and forth.
So lets make it simple, could you just link it or briefly answer ? I'm guessing there will be a reason or response that isn't the answer....

You were asked who you voted for, very nosy I know. I don't see how asking you this is a trap, but that may speak more of your paranoia than anything else.
You were asked that since you said Brexit would be such a disaster and be such an economic disaster ( see above ) I wondered if you voted for the only main party who was prepared to offer what you see is salvation to the country by offering another chance to vote again. It seems odd that out of one mouth you speak of unrecoverable Brexit disasters, but then seemingly vote to endorse that happening.
To anyone else it might be an interesting question as to how people have to vote balancing political parties competence and their proposals on the future with Brexit, with balancing priorities towards the every day economy and other manifesto pledges. But for you its a dangerous trap on a car forum. Oh well.

[SantaBarbara]

Eddie Strohacker said:

I love it round here late at night when all the usual aholes tumble out of Wetherspoons.

When will Eddie apologise for I offensive comments about the good people who frequent that high class gentleman so club known as Weatherspoons?