Reform UK

[bitchstewie]

Thank goodness for the Brussels courts

NatCon conference to resume after Brussels court overturns closure order

[smn159]

bhstewie said:

Thank goodness for the Brussels courts

NatCon conference to resume after Brussels court overturns closure order

What a relief! Let the conference resume

[Guybrush]

Not sure if I trust Tice, as he seems to have a (normally suppressed) authoritarian streak, given how he wanted to mandate the injection of a certain unsigned off gene therapy treatment.

[thetapeworm]

President Merkin said:

Lol at Braverman whining about her freedom of speech....However, my view is even twottish goose stepping hard right crackpots are entitlted to it. The Mayor guy got it wrong.

Indeed, I'd much rather they indulged in this stuff out in the open than in secret bunkers - let us see them for what they are and hear what they believe in so we can judge them accordingly.

[crankedup5]

Baroque attacks said:

crankedup5 said:

‘We’ ?
Of course you are absolutely entitled to your opinions, as am I,
:shrug shoulders:

My opinion is just formed from news about the types of people Reform is accepting. I’m not exactly taking a massive leap, the hints aren’t cryptic : “vote bnp. and keep the great, in great britian”.

Your opinion may be that you like them and their policies - entirely your choice.

Opinions no doubt arising from entirely non bias news feeds

[crankedup5]

tangerine_sedge said:

crankedup5 said:

tangerine_sedge said:

crankedup5 said:

tangerine_sedge said:

crankedup5 said:

smn159 said:

crankedup5 said:

I think that we have different politics and perspectives

Maybe, but that still doesn't explain why you are so wiling to give these clowns a free pass.

Do you not value a degree of competence, honesty and, well, basic literacy in those who you would want to represent you?

It’s politics, clowns appear in all political parties.
Labour and Tory have failed the Country over the past 50 years. That’s a strong reason not to vote for another round of deeper failure, and you talk about competency, honesty literacy

In general terms, they really haven't failed the country over the last 50 years, it's just since austerity (and the Tory party response) that things have turned for the worse.

You're just upset because you believed the bullst from a known bullstter and now like a spoilt child can't admit that the party and people you were so convinced were the answer were in fact bullstters all along. You are now doubling down on the stupidity by declaring your undying love for a different bunch of bullstters and chancers.

Haven’t failed the Country you say, why do you think that the austerity program was introduced. Over spending over the past 50 years and more has led us on the path to our current position. Borrowing to fund a quality of life, very nice as it was, was all on the tick. Now we have hit the buffers.
Drop the overbearing arrogance telling me how I feel and what I think. Why do you and your ilk always fall back on this idiotic nonsense.

Not the sub-prime loan induced banking crisis then? By the way it's not arrogance it's just pointing out your ridiculous position.

Also, it's good to see Farage getting kicked out of a far right conference in Brussels. What could possibly be attracting people to Reform?

Yes of course it was part of our National issues, and fair play to the late A. Darling for gripping the problem. We could also mention Brown selling off a massive chunk of our gold reserves.
Oh it is certainly pure arrogance coming from your keyboard, maybe you don’t even realise how arrogant your posts read.

You really are quite sensitive aren't you? Before accusing me of arrogance I propose that you go and re-read some of your own posts.

I'll continue to post criticism of Reform, their paper thin & ill thought out policies and continue to highlight the kind of people who are intending to stand for the party at the next election thanks. If you don't like me highlighting that reform seems to be attractive to the far right, and that the party seems to be incapable of identifying them before taking their money then that's hardly my fault.

On the contrary, Reform U.K. welcome challenges from alternative political viewpoints, but I’m not their spokesperson. The subtle change from the suggesting that Reform U.K. is in fact a re-branded BNP is not only wrong but shallow minded. Check out Reform U.K. policy proposals and educate yourself. I now notice you have rowed back to ‘seems to be attractive to the Far Right.
Maybe some of those former interested persons have moderated their political views.

[crankedup5]

tangerine_sedge said:

768 said:

Farage saying he'll make a decision on Reform in the next few weeks.

Seems those Brussels mayors have managed to boost his profile this week.

People have aleady made up their minds about Farage, they either love him or loathe him - so this event won't move the needle on the dial very much.

The bigger story is that Braverman continues to flirt with the NatCs and Sunak can't seem to control her illustrating his continued weakness.

The Tories are dead ducks walking, those leaning on the Right of the Tory Party are clearly weighing up their best options that will megaphone their agenda. At one stage recently the tittle tattle was Braverman , Patel and others welcoming Farage into the Tory Party. Right now the questions seems to be will those Tories jump ship and follow Lee Anderson.

[crankedup5]

thetapeworm said:

President Merkin said:

Lol at Braverman whining about her freedom of speech....However, my view is even twottish goose stepping hard right crackpots are entitlted to it. The Mayor guy got it wrong.

Indeed, I'd much rather they indulged in this stuff out in the open than in secret bunkers - let us see them for what they are and hear what they believe in so we can judge them accordingly.

It’s what they are hoping for and it’s what they delivered last year in London.

[S600BSB]

smn159 said:

bhstewie said:

Thank goodness for the Brussels courts

NatCon conference to resume after Brussels court overturns closure order

What a relief! Let the conference resume

Don’t think that is in very good taste tbh.

[B'stard Child]

S600BSB said:

smn159 said:

bhstewie said:

Thank goodness for the Brussels courts

NatCon conference to resume after Brussels court overturns closure order

What a relief! Let the conference resume

Don’t think that is in very good taste tbh.

Blues Brothers was/is an excellent movie??

[Pan Pan Pan]

smn159 said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

bhstewie said:

Yes Cranked and isn't it funny how you only seem to have had this epiphany having pinned all your hopes to Brexit only to watch it turn to st at which point you'll eagerly vote for the next bunch of populists who tell you they can make it work.

Talk about malleable.

Labour are currently promising the moon on a stick. You don't seriously believe they are going to deliver on their promises do you? If you do, you must have been off the planet for the last 50 years.

I don't have an issue with their stated priorities. Certainly makes a refreshing change to the 'anti-woke / EU / foreigner' nonsense of recent years.

Just maybe the country can start having more grown up conversations about things once some actual grown ups are in charge.

In any case, it's either Labour or it's continue as we are, so it's a bit of a no-brainer - unless of course you're happy with the infantilisation of the national conversation under the Tory / Reform agenda, in which case crack on.

The above is just your tribal bias showing. It has little to do with the truth.

[Pan Pan Pan]

smn159 said:

crankedup5 said:

I think that we have different politics and perspectives

Maybe, but that still doesn't explain why you are so wiling to give these clowns a free pass.

Do you not value a degree of competence, honesty and, well, basic literacy in those who you would want to represent you?

You surely cannot be referring to labour, and with a straight face when you posted that last sentence?

[Pan Pan Pan]

TTwiggy said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Labour are currently promising the moon on a stick.

They really are not.

Most of what they've said is couched in terms of 'what's possible in the current economic climate'. On other threads they are being criticised for not promising anything much at all.

Only in your heavily biased view.

[AmyRichardson]

crankedup5 said:

The Tories are dead ducks walking, those leaning on the Right of the Tory Party are clearly weighing up their best options that will megaphone their agenda. At one stage recently the tittle tattle was Braverman , Patel and others welcoming Farage into the Tory Party. Right now the questions seems to be will those Tories jump ship and follow Lee Anderson.

It's a dark time for the RoC elements in UK politics; instead of holding things together as defeat approaches, as per 1997, there's Monty Python style splintering on the right of the spectrum.

That's not healthy for our politics as the centrist/LoC side of things have got there house well in order, in as much as they're ever able to. If there isn't a reconsolidation on the right we'll be heading for a period, possibly longer than 97-10, in which Labour dominate politics without serious challenge.

Fingers crossed its a case of post-defeat catharsis starting early; the trouble makers will spin-off into their own cliquey self-made wildernesses and those who want to be in the tent will learn how to p1ss outwards.

[Pan Pan Pan]

Killboy said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Labour are currently promising the moon on a stick. You don't seriously believe they are going to deliver on their promises do you? If you do, you must have been off the planet for the last 50 years.

What moon-sticks are they offering? I've just looked at their missions and it seems alright?

The promises of all the political parties are the equivalent of moon-sticks, What on earth makes you think that labours moon sticks, are better than all the other's moon stick? They never have been in the past.

[valiant]

Pan Pan Pan said:

The promises of all the political parties are the equivalent of moon-sticks, What on earth makes you think that labours moon sticks, are better than all the other's moon stick? They never have been in the past.

You know, there’s a Starmer thread and even an Ange thread for all your Labour whinging.

Try posting there rather than here and leave us to poke fun at Reform’s attempts to be a serious political party.

[anonymous-user]

Pan Pan Pan said:

Killboy said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Labour are currently promising the moon on a stick. You don't seriously believe they are going to deliver on their promises do you? If you do, you must have been off the planet for the last 50 years.

What moon-sticks are they offering? I've just looked at their missions and it seems alright?

The promises of all the political parties are the equivalent of moon-sticks, What on earth makes you think that labours moon sticks, are better than all the other's moon stick? They never have been in the past.

Oh, so you can't even offer up anything specifically.

Interesting bias.

[smn159]

Pan Pan Pan said:

smn159 said:

crankedup5 said:

I think that we have different politics and perspectives

Maybe, but that still doesn't explain why you are so wiling to give these clowns a free pass.

Do you not value a degree of competence, honesty and, well, basic literacy in those who you would want to represent you?

You surely cannot be referring to labour, and with a straight face when you posted that last sentence?

I'm referring to Reform. Clue is in the thread title

HTH.

[tangerine_sedge]

AmyRichardson said:

crankedup5 said:

The Tories are dead ducks walking, those leaning on the Right of the Tory Party are clearly weighing up their best options that will megaphone their agenda. At one stage recently the tittle tattle was Braverman , Patel and others welcoming Farage into the Tory Party. Right now the questions seems to be will those Tories jump ship and follow Lee Anderson.

It's a dark time for the RoC elements in UK politics; instead of holding things together as defeat approaches, as per 1997, there's Monty Python style splintering on the right of the spectrum.

That's not healthy for our politics as the centrist/LoC side of things have got there house well in order, in as much as they're ever able to. If there isn't a reconsolidation on the right we'll be heading for a period, possibly longer than 97-10, in which Labour dominate politics without serious challenge.

Fingers crossed its a case of post-defeat catharsis starting early; the trouble makers will spin-off into their own cliquey self-made wildernesses and those who want to be in the tent will learn how to p1ss outwards.

Hopefully, the Very ROC (*1) will all go to Reform, who'll find that it equates to circa 10% of the electorate and find themselves out of jobs.

The ROC will then be able to coalesce around the existing Tory party, which although smaller might well find itself in a long term better place as the disaffected VROC are no longer in the tent pissing inwards.

The only concern is that someone like Truss/Braverman etc will hang around hoping that the mad-as-a-box-of-frogs local members make them leader enabling them to take control of the Tory party remains and continue the current strategy of moving further right. That will see the Tories out of real power for years.

It's important that the sensible Tories take control of the ROC and form a proper opposition to Labour.


(*1) I'll not call them far right, as that triggers Cranky.

[AmyRichardson]

tangerine_sedge said:

(*1) I'll not call them far right, as that triggers Cranky.

Or take the diplomacy a step further: "considerably right of centre", desc: "croc-pots"

It's hard to see how this will play out. Last time it took 8 years to exit the comfort-zone wilderness, but this isn't last time - a whole world of additional worst-instinct rabbit holes have been explored, and continue to be explored.