Russia Invades Ukraine. Volume 4

[off_again]

TriumphStag3.0V8 said:

off_again said:

TriumphStag3.0V8 said:

No, the incoming missiles were intercepted by various aircraft and SAM systems. The missiles were destroyed on interception.

The interceptions took place at an altitude of about 5 ft.

Someone on Twitter made a similar joke and it totally flew by a whole bunch of people. It was amazing to see how it built up and got so much negative attention. I think they referred to the new "AGL" defence system that Russia has....

At Ground Level ?

Yup, I will admit that it took me far too long to spot that.



Still funny though.

[Willhire89]

BikeBikeBIke said:

Steve vRS said:

Will RAC recovery drivers be extra nervous as they could be collateral damage.

This came to mind about four days ago - I was passing through a local village and the RAC were at the side of the road attending to a yellow M reg Stag - Putin has clearly begun the final assault

[b0rk]

king arthur said:

The younger generation in Ukraine, those born after 1991, want rid of it all. The corruption, the old ways of doing things. They want to be a European country like Czechia or Poland. So it will happen eventually assuming Russia doesn't get its way.

I wouldn’t even say it’s the younger post ‘91 generation. We have a fairly large contingent of Ukrainians at work that have worked for us for 10yrs+. They’re mid 30’s to mid 50’s so ‘75(ish) to late 80’s and they want Ukraine to be a modern functional democracy like Poland, not somewhere controlled by corruption and bribery to get stuff done (or not).

Remember Zelenskyy stood originally for election on an anti establishment, anti corruption manifesto. But not anti Russian.

As you say demographic’s will ultimately do much of lifting to this end as the old guard fade away.

[ecsrobin]

[pingu393]

Bad news from Ukraine. They must feel like we must have felt after Guy Gibson or 'CatsEyes' Cunningham perished...

https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryPorn/comments/1cv...

He was chief of staff and deputy commander of the Ukrainian Armed Forces aviation squadron.

[bristolracer]

It’s all very well, all the chat about fancy pants missiles and tanks.
The Russians work on pounding the st and grinding down the opposition with endless artillery and men both of which they have in massive numbers. It’s how they win wars, why use expensive tech when shells and humans are cheap?


Ukraine is going down. It will take a while, but without proper western military backing, boots on the ground, planes in the air, Putin will win.
His own people suck up his patriotic crap and will hand over their children to the cause, the Chinese are happily selling tons of ammo whilst taking cheap Russian oil as a bonus.

The French are reading it right, The Poles don’t want another Russian neighbour.

We just need some politicians with cojones who have the bottle to go toe to toe with Putin. Hey Vlad you want to go nuclear? Our stuff still works, yours is broken obsolete or in bits. Get out or bring it on!
Idiots like Blinken turning up doing Neil Young covers are beyond a joke.
If we value freedom, if we value free speech it must be defended, we have the best military in the world and we should not hesitate to use it against bullies like Putin

[BikeBikeBIke]

pingu393 said:

Bad news from Ukraine. They must feel like we must have felt after Guy Gibson or 'CatsEyes' Cunningham perished...

https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryPorn/comments/1cv...

He was chief of staff and deputy commander of the Ukrainian Armed Forces aviation squadron.

Pretty sure Cunningham survived the war.

[pingu393]

BikeBikeBIke said:

pingu393 said:

Bad news from Ukraine. They must feel like we must have felt after Guy Gibson or 'CatsEyes' Cunningham perished...

https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryPorn/comments/1cv...

He was chief of staff and deputy commander of the Ukrainian Armed Forces aviation squadron.

Pretty sure Cunningham survived the war.

Was it not he who died in the Amiens raid?

I'm off to check - back soon...

[edit] you are correct. It was Pickard that I was thinking about.

Cunningham died in 2002.

Edited by pingu393 on Saturday 18th May 20:28

[Biggy Stardust]

bristolracer said:

If we value freedom, if we value free speech it must be defended, we have the best military in the world and we should not hesitate to use it against bullies like Putin

Excellent. Will you be joining in or just expecting others to do so?

[bristolracer]

Biggy Stardust said:

bristolracer said:

If we value freedom, if we value free speech it must be defended, we have the best military in the world and we should not hesitate to use it against bullies like Putin

Excellent. Will you be joining in or just expecting others to do so?

Nope I’m 60 so not much use.
What’s your suggestion to sort it out?
The United Nations?
Sanctions?
Keep giving the Ukrainians weapons that only prolong an un winnable war?
Or just pull the plug and save everyone the agony and pay £10 for a loaf of bread as the only grain is Chinese owned and imported from Africa?

[Biggy Stardust]

bristolracer said:

Nope I’m 60 so not much use.
What’s your suggestion to sort it out?
The United Nations?
Sanctions?
Keep giving the Ukrainians weapons that only prolong an un winnable war?
Or just pull the plug and save everyone the agony and pay £10 for a loaf of bread as the only grain is Chinese owned and imported from Africa?

I just note that your ideas are like National Service- those most in favour are the ones that expect others to do it rather than themselves.

[bristolracer]

Biggy Stardust said:

I just note that your ideas are like National Service- those most in favour are the ones that expect others to do it rather than themselves.

So what do you favour?
Letting Putin carry on unchecked?
Watch the Ukrainians get slowly crushed?

[Cheib]

BikeBikeBIke said:

RichFN2 said:

Unfortunately Ukraine is also horrificly corrupt. We witnessed that on the recent Kharkiv offensive launched by Russia, which uncovered unfinished trenches, defence lines and piles of dragon teeth that were left dumped in a field. These were due to be finished over a year ago which is why Russia was able to advance so quickly, those who uncovered this have received numerous threats.

Even the current training and recruitment scheme is riddled with back handers and inflated prices while their country is at war! Zelenskyy is doing to his best to improve the situation but they are a long way off from meeting the EU criteria.

A country with democracy and a free press can't stay corrupt for long, IMHO.

Tried doing business in Greece or Italy to name but two where there is a huge black economy? I used to work for a Greek Family Office. Eye watering what goes on.

It’s a lot quicker to list the countries where there is very little corruption than the ones that are corrupt. North America, Western/Northern Europe, Australia, New Zealand and parts of Asia.

Yes Ukraine is corrupt but the average salary is $600 a month….there will be many people outside Kyiv/professional careers who earn a fraction of that. Unskilled labour ? I reckon you’d be looking at $150 a month.

About 10 years ago I spent a lot of time working in Romania, similar per capita income back then. They were in the throws of a huge crack down on corruption, I am sure Ukraine will have the same but now is not the time and Zelensky seems to be doing what he can. Romania became the poster child of the anti corruption movement…mayor’s, judges, local government officials, bankers, lawyers all went to jail. You literally couldn’t get planning permission for two years because anyone that worked in local government was stting themselves that they’d be accused of taking a bribe to sign it off.

Ukraine will change, I am sure of that.

[tumble dryer]

Biggy Stardust said:

bristolracer said:

Nope I’m 60 so not much use.
What’s your suggestion to sort it out?
The United Nations?
Sanctions?
Keep giving the Ukrainians weapons that only prolong an un winnable war?
Or just pull the plug and save everyone the agony and pay £10 for a loaf of bread as the only grain is Chinese owned and imported from Africa?

I just note that your ideas are like National Service- those most in favour are the ones that expect others to do it rather than themselves.

Not wishing to venture too far off-topic, but he has a point. (I'm 69 btw)

We either deal with this problem now, when we 'comfortably' can (forgive the levity) or we deal with it when we're forced to.

What do we do once UKR belongs to Russia?

And, if the nukes start flying your age, or mine, won't matter a jot.


Personally, I'm of the belief that if the USA, and those behind us in Europe (the important ones) gave mad vlad 1 month to get his arse out of UKR or we were coming in, nukes too if necessary, then he'd fecking sh*t himself, or more probably, get himself pushed out of a window.

He gets away with his behaviour because we've allowed him to. End of.

[hidetheelephants]

tumble dryer said:

What do we do once UKR belongs to Russia?

A more utilitarian question might be what does europe do with the millions of refugees who would flee Ukraine as a result? Absorbing a fraction of that as a result of the Arab Spring is still causing political problems in many countries.

[cliffords]

I do agree Russia will have all of Ukraine over time with massive loss of lives on both sides . Huge depletion of NATO stockpiles and the proof that most European countries are scared of Russia and rightly so . They are relentless and driven , evil and without fear .
All that the last two years have achieved is a greater amount of dead young men .Drip feeding Ukraine has just made it take longer .

Before the next post comes in I am stating the facts not supporting the Russian military by doing so .

[hidetheelephants]

cliffords said:

Huge depletion of NATO stockpiles

That's simply wrong, had NATO stocks been drawn down prior to replenishment being possible the war may have been over by now, at the least there would have been no periods of shell drought. As it is NATO stocks are as healthy as ever they were and the ability to replenish them is greater than at any point since the end of the cold war.

cliffords said:

They are relentless and driven , evil and without fear .

This is just a russia stronk meme, russians are dying in their thousands because they're flesh and blood lead by inept and corrupt scumbags.

cliffords said:

All that the last two years have achieved is a greater amount of dead young men .Drip feeding Ukraine has just made it take longer.

You are relieving the ukrainians of agency, which at the least is fabulously patronising.

cliffords said:

Before the next post comes in I am stating the facts not supporting the Russian military by doing so .

Mostly opinion and demonstrably ill-informed opinion at that.

[pingu393]

cliffords said:

I do agree Russia will have all of Ukraine over time with massive loss of lives on both sides . Huge depletion of NATO stockpiles and the proof that most European countries are scared of Russia and rightly so . They are relentless and driven , evil and without fear .
All that the last two years have achieved is a greater amount of dead young men .Drip feeding Ukraine has just made it take longer .

Before the next post comes in I am stating the facts not supporting the Russian military by doing so .

There is a significant difference between opinion and fact.

[cliffords]

pingu393 said:

cliffords said:

I do agree Russia will have all of Ukraine over time with massive loss of lives on both sides . Huge depletion of NATO stockpiles and the proof that most European countries are scared of Russia and rightly so . They are relentless and driven , evil and without fear .
All that the last two years have achieved is a greater amount of dead young men .Drip feeding Ukraine has just made it take longer .

Before the next post comes in I am stating the facts not supporting the Russian military by doing so .

There is a significant difference between opinion and fact.

In this case I don't think there is a significant difference.

[TEKNOPUG]

bristolracer said:

The Russians work on pounding the st and grinding down the opposition with endless artillery and men both of which they have in massive numbers. It’s how they win wars.

Which wars?