May Vs Corbyn live on the telly,
Discussion
vournikas said:
I did like May responding with figures when asked; almost as if she was determined to make (if it were possible) Diane Abbott look like the nonsensical shadow HS that she is.
May knew her stuff. Corbyn apparently didn't need any facts and figures or even answers, he's all about ideas 
If it wasn't for Brexit, I think Corby would do much better than initially expected. I think enough people will want May and the conservatives at the helm for the Brexit negotiations though.
Overall I enjoyed the show, I doubt it did either much harm but these debates usually seem to help the under dog more as it makes them look like potential leaders and gives them an equal standing in the debate.
SpeedMattersNot said:
...it's about which party will look after you...
It's a no-brainer...surely?
Yup. Don't vote for the party that destroys the economy every single time they get near it. You can't pay for services when 'there's no money left'. In any event no it's really not about which party will 'look after' me and my family, its about which party just lets me look after myself. It's certainly true that if you have no self respect and just want hand outs it's a no brainer. It's a no-brainer...surely?
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 30th May 05:35
///ajd said:
jsf said:
///ajd said:
The fact she can't say "yes" to no deal speaks volumes - she doesn't mean it, she desperately wants a deal, but has been persuading to play the "no deal" charade.
Perhaps it is only to fool the gullible and has no real purpose in the negotiations, it does seem to work on some after all.
She did say yes, at 87 minutes into the program. She said it twice, they then pan to the audience and women on the end of the row in black dress with pendant round her neck pulls a "blimey" face.Perhaps it is only to fool the gullible and has no real purpose in the negotiations, it does seem to work on some after all.
she then says "you have to", when asked again, and expands on that.
open your eyes and ears slasher, go look at it again.
ironic that some are accusing me of sneering whilst doing that themselves (xjs post)
if you put aside the tribal slasher nonsense for one minute, she did actually reveal something of here hand.
she only ever said "no deal" quickly followed by better than no deal. she also stressed "you have to say that", which revealed (as many have commented), its just a tactic, and a rather transparent pointless one, as she just doesn't believe in no deal.
to give her more credit, she is saying it to placate the brexiteers, and this thread shows she is right to.
She said yes slasher, twice. So either you are deaf, unable to process what you don't want to hear or are being deliberately deceitful.
///ajd said:
jsf said:
///ajd said:
jsf said:
///ajd said:
The fact she can't say "yes" to no deal speaks volumes - she doesn't mean it, she desperately wants a deal, but has been persuading to play the "no deal" charade.
Perhaps it is only to fool the gullible and has no real purpose in the negotiations, it does seem to work on some after all.
She did say yes, at 87 minutes into the program. She said it twice, they then pan to the audience and women on the end of the row in black dress with pendant round her neck pulls a "blimey" face.Perhaps it is only to fool the gullible and has no real purpose in the negotiations, it does seem to work on some after all.
she then says "you have to", when asked again, and expands on that.
open your eyes and ears slasher, go look at it again.
ironic that some are accusing me of sneering whilst doing that themselves (xjs post)
if you put aside the tribal slasher nonsense for one minute, she did actually reveal something of here hand.
she only ever said "no deal" quickly followed by better than no deal. she also stressed "you have to say that", which revealed (as many have commented), its just a tactic, and a rather transparent pointless one, as she just doesn't believe in no deal.
to give her more credit, she is saying it to placate the brexiteers, and this thread shows she is right to.
She said yes slasher, twice. So either you are deaf, unable to process what you don't want to hear or are being deliberately deceitful.
Its more 535i level, I gave you more credit.
The thing is this the first time she was stretched on the "no deal" point. It was revealing and interesting if you look beyond the "yes". Its interesting as she knows many won't look past the "yes", you are a case in point. I'll give her credit for that - she isn't saying it for the EU, they aren't that gullible.
Once you stop lying all the time I will show you more respect, at the moment you don't deserve any.
MaxSo said:
Do you *honestly* think it is highly important that he couldn't recall the exact figure off the top of his head?
Corbyn has exceeded expectation in his media performances so far. This was a car crash, so can't be dismissed.I would imagine he (and his advisers) got a little complacent and thought this would be an easy ride after last night.
The social media reaction will do him more harm as some of the more vociferous defenders have "accused" the interviewer of being a Zionist. That will, quite rightly, give his opponent a bone to chew on.
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lenny007 said:
///ajd said:
turbobloke said:
///ajd said:
lenny007 said:
///ajd said:
The thing is this the first time she was stretched on the "no deal" point. It was revealing and interesting if you look beyond the "yes". Its interesting as she knows many won't look past the "yes"
Is this the yes which you said she didn't say? (Twice)1. You said she didn't say "yes".
2. People illustrated that she did.
3. You then said "she said "yes" look beyond that"
4. I pointed out that you'd contradicted your earlier point.
5. You then stated i proved your point.
Is that exactly what you are saying here and attempting to claim some form of "debate victory"? That you were proved to be wrong and that means you are...right??
It is interesting to watch.
FFS you two, can't you leave it? Your like two 5 year olds without the logic.
PurpleAki said:
MaxSo said:
ATG said:
Savaged on Woman's Hour. Ripped a new one.
Can't recall figure off top of his head. Wow.And now Labour supporters are attacking the (wholly innocent) interviewer as being a Zionist. So no anti semetism there then...
Lovely day at office and its not even 2 o'clock yet...
MaxSo said:
DT398 said:
ATG said:
Savaged on Woman's Hour. Ripped a new one.
That exchange pretty much sums up the current crop of Labour shadow cabinet members and the party in general right now. What a shambles.How can anyone think our economy would improve with that lot at the helm?
Just as I'd know how much extra police officers would cost if I wanted to be the Home Secretary.
MaxSo said:
Why was it a car crash?
He performed badly - if you can't see that then - "There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know"This is his first proper f
k up off the campaign, which let's face it, has been WAY better than even his most ardent supporters thought possible.Even Alistair Campbell.
Even Nigel Farage.
But a f
k up it is. MaxSo said:
La Liga said:
MaxSo said:
DT398 said:
ATG said:
Savaged on Woman's Hour. Ripped a new one.
That exchange pretty much sums up the current crop of Labour shadow cabinet members and the party in general right now. What a shambles.How can anyone think our economy would improve with that lot at the helm?
Just as I'd know how much extra police officers would cost if I wanted to be the Home Secretary.
He lost a memory game.
He should be acutely aware that two members of his cabinet in key positions have generated significant negative coverage for being unable to recall / grasp figures around key policies.
It's rather foreseeable that that theme will be explored by future interviewers. He should have had notes / his iPad actually logged on before the interview in anticipation. Or simply have already memorised a simple figure so it was second nature.
It wasn't a 'memory game', it was a 'preparation / competence game'.
JagLover said:
garyhun said:
JagLover said:
I believe "Zionist" simply means Jewish
No. Its general definition means the national movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel.I meant in this context the use of "Zionist" as a term of derision simply means Jewish.
esxste said:
Globs said:
I have a feeling May was badly advised (perhaps by design) and a stable May government competently arranging Brexit for us will come to a screeching halt and she'll be out.
Maybe she knows what a clusterfk brexit will be and wants out. Although history will prove that it was the 'strong & stable' one who actually gave Labour a chance, when they didn't have to.
esxste said:
Globs said:
I have a feeling May was badly advised (perhaps by design) and a stable May government competently arranging Brexit for us will come to a screeching halt and she'll be out.
Maybe she knows what a clusterfk brexit will be and wants out. t at impromptu public debates doesn't mean she is st as PM or will be st in a hard negotiation with serious people about a serious matter.Easy to forget with all the current election b
ks going on, where none of the above matters. We had years of slick persona aholes like Blair and Cameron, I'd much prefer a serious person with poor public communication skills who is capable of listening and who knows their subject working on my side, than either of those pillocks.SpeedMattersNot said:
n this thread, perhaps that's your opinion, but the NP&E is and has always been synonymous with left-wing bashing.
The reason you're hearing more voices from the left is people have had enough...and the 'strong and stable' catchphrase that is STILL being used has got peoples backs up, when May is anything but! If she can't handle Corbyn then what hope has she got against the dozens of EU MEPs?
I have only been following the bookies odds (William Hill) and Tories have gone from 1/20 down to 2/9...Labour from 20/1 down to 10/1. I've no doubt it'll still be a Conservative majority, but this is the Conservatives last chance.
She wont be dealing with dozens of MEP's. Do you still not understand the process of the negotiations?The reason you're hearing more voices from the left is people have had enough...and the 'strong and stable' catchphrase that is STILL being used has got peoples backs up, when May is anything but! If she can't handle Corbyn then what hope has she got against the dozens of EU MEPs?
I have only been following the bookies odds (William Hill) and Tories have gone from 1/20 down to 2/9...Labour from 20/1 down to 10/1. I've no doubt it'll still be a Conservative majority, but this is the Conservatives last chance.
I've only ever placed one bet in my life, I won £2500 on a £50 stake. I wont be placing a bet on Corbyn.
SpeedMattersNot said:
jsf said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
n this thread, perhaps that's your opinion, but the NP&E is and has always been synonymous with left-wing bashing.
The reason you're hearing more voices from the left is people have had enough...and the 'strong and stable' catchphrase that is STILL being used has got peoples backs up, when May is anything but! If she can't handle Corbyn then what hope has she got against the dozens of EU MEPs?
I have only been following the bookies odds (William Hill) and Tories have gone from 1/20 down to 2/9...Labour from 20/1 down to 10/1. I've no doubt it'll still be a Conservative majority, but this is the Conservatives last chance.
She wont be dealing with dozens of MEP's. Do you still not understand the process of the negotiations?The reason you're hearing more voices from the left is people have had enough...and the 'strong and stable' catchphrase that is STILL being used has got peoples backs up, when May is anything but! If she can't handle Corbyn then what hope has she got against the dozens of EU MEPs?
I have only been following the bookies odds (William Hill) and Tories have gone from 1/20 down to 2/9...Labour from 20/1 down to 10/1. I've no doubt it'll still be a Conservative majority, but this is the Conservatives last chance.
I've only ever placed one bet in my life, I won £2500 on a £50 stake. I wont be placing a bet on Corbyn.
Well, whoever it is that she claims only she, this oh so strong and stable leader, will be able to sit at the negotiating table with, if she can't take part in these events, she has absolutely no chance in Europe.
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