May Vs Corbyn live on the telly,

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SpeedMattersNot said:

On top of this, Corbyn was totally calm. He'd make you fold pocket aces with a 2-7 off-suit and not even have to brag about it. Pure class.

You must be in need of some shirts.

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vournikas said:

I did like May responding with figures when asked; almost as if she was determined to make (if it were possible) Diane Abbott look like the nonsensical shadow HS that she is.

May knew her stuff. Corbyn apparently didn't need any facts and figures or even answers, he's all about ideas

If it wasn't for Brexit, I think Corby would do much better than initially expected. I think enough people will want May and the conservatives at the helm for the Brexit negotiations though.

Overall I enjoyed the show, I doubt it did either much harm but these debates usually seem to help the under dog more as it makes them look like potential leaders and gives them an equal standing in the debate.

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SpeedMattersNot said:

...it's about which party will look after you...
It's a no-brainer...surely?

Yup. Don't vote for the party that destroys the economy every single time they get near it. You can't pay for services when 'there's no money left'. In any event no it's really not about which party will 'look after' me and my family, its about which party just lets me look after myself. It's certainly true that if you have no self respect and just want hand outs it's a no brainer.

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 30th May 05:35

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TomTheTyke said:

ETA: On the debate itself I do think Corbyn looked better, if only because he was reasonable enough to dispel his image as a bumbling buffoon the Sun likes to put across. May does seem to get very flustered and her repeated U turns seem to be coming back to bite her. The main mistake the Tories have made (although I think Abbott apart the Lab campaign has been strong) is to create a personality cult around TM and then realise she can't really engage with people/make a particularly convincing case for her policies.

Edited by TomTheTyke on Tuesday 30th May 03:32

Whilst I suspect we may disagree politically, I think the above is spot on. May just isn't very good.

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///ajd said:

jsf said:

///ajd said:

The fact she can't say "yes" to no deal speaks volumes - she doesn't mean it, she desperately wants a deal, but has been persuading to play the "no deal" charade.

Perhaps it is only to fool the gullible and has no real purpose in the negotiations, it does seem to work on some after all.

She did say yes, at 87 minutes into the program. She said it twice, they then pan to the audience and women on the end of the row in black dress with pendant round her neck pulls a "blimey" face.

she then says "you have to", when asked again, and expands on that.

open your eyes and ears slasher, go look at it again.

my eyes are open

ironic that some are accusing me of sneering whilst doing that themselves (xjs post)

if you put aside the tribal slasher nonsense for one minute, she did actually reveal something of here hand.

she only ever said "no deal" quickly followed by better than no deal. she also stressed "you have to say that", which revealed (as many have commented), its just a tactic, and a rather transparent pointless one, as she just doesn't believe in no deal.

to give her more credit, she is saying it to placate the brexiteers, and this thread shows she is right to.

There is nothing tribal about calling you slasher, its your nickname based on your username, or haven't noticed that yet, as you tend to not notice a lot of other things based on your posts.

She said yes slasher, twice. So either you are deaf, unable to process what you don't want to hear or are being deliberately deceitful.

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///ajd said:

jsf said:

///ajd said:

jsf said:

///ajd said:

The fact she can't say "yes" to no deal speaks volumes - she doesn't mean it, she desperately wants a deal, but has been persuading to play the "no deal" charade.

Perhaps it is only to fool the gullible and has no real purpose in the negotiations, it does seem to work on some after all.

She did say yes, at 87 minutes into the program. She said it twice, they then pan to the audience and women on the end of the row in black dress with pendant round her neck pulls a "blimey" face.

she then says "you have to", when asked again, and expands on that.

open your eyes and ears slasher, go look at it again.

my eyes are open

ironic that some are accusing me of sneering whilst doing that themselves (xjs post)

if you put aside the tribal slasher nonsense for one minute, she did actually reveal something of here hand.

she only ever said "no deal" quickly followed by better than no deal. she also stressed "you have to say that", which revealed (as many have commented), its just a tactic, and a rather transparent pointless one, as she just doesn't believe in no deal.

to give her more credit, she is saying it to placate the brexiteers, and this thread shows she is right to.

There is nothing tribal about calling you slasher, its your nickname based on your username, or haven't noticed that yet, as you tend to not notice a lot of other things based on your posts.

She said yes slasher, twice. So either you are deaf, unable to process what you don't want to hear or are being deliberately deceitful.

I thought you were smarter than that, the post does you no favours. Slasher is obviously intended to be derogatory, thats how I take it - doesn't bother me as it shows the user is losing the argument (if they are even capable of one, which it seems the usual suspects are not).

Its more 535i level, I gave you more credit.

The thing is this the first time she was stretched on the "no deal" point. It was revealing and interesting if you look beyond the "yes". Its interesting as she knows many won't look past the "yes", you are a case in point. I'll give her credit for that - she isn't saying it for the EU, they aren't that gullible.

So you were being deceitful, as you now accept she said yes.

Once you stop lying all the time I will show you more respect, at the moment you don't deserve any.

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PurpleAki said:

Lots of bickering in here about last night.

Can we all be in agreement that Corbyn has mightily fked up this morning?

Except Yipper - he'll claim that Corbyn's interview has given labour another 10% in the polls

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MaxSo said:

Do you *honestly* think it is highly important that he couldn't recall the exact figure off the top of his head?

Corbyn has exceeded expectation in his media performances so far. This was a car crash, so can't be dismissed.

I would imagine he (and his advisers) got a little complacent and thought this would be an easy ride after last night.

The social media reaction will do him more harm as some of the more vociferous defenders have "accused" the interviewer of being a Zionist. That will, quite rightly, give his opponent a bone to chew on.

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///ajd said:

lenny007 said:

///ajd said:

turbobloke said:

///ajd said:

lenny007 said:

///ajd said:

The thing is this the first time she was stretched on the "no deal" point. It was revealing and interesting if you look beyond the "yes". Its interesting as she knows many won't look past the "yes"

Is this the yes which you said she didn't say? (Twice)

Thanks for proving my point!

Your point was that you were wrong? Cool.

I knew you'd be in the "over my head" club. Cool!

Just for clarification purposes -

1. You said she didn't say "yes".
2. People illustrated that she did.
3. You then said "she said "yes" look beyond that"
4. I pointed out that you'd contradicted your earlier point.
5. You then stated i proved your point.

Is that exactly what you are saying here and attempting to claim some form of "debate victory"? That you were proved to be wrong and that means you are...right??

If you can't work out why what I'm saying hasn't changed, I can't help you.

It is interesting to watch.

FFS you two, can't you leave it? Your like two 5 year olds without the logic.

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PurpleAki said:

MaxSo said:

ATG said:

Savaged on Woman's Hour. Ripped a new one.

Can't recall figure off top of his head. Wow.

The interviewer has the figures but your mighty leader didn't! So he's totally ill prepared for interviews in the week before the general election. Doesn't bode well does it! It's pathetic.

And now Labour supporters are attacking the (wholly innocent) interviewer as being a Zionist. So no anti semetism there then...

Lovely day at office and its not even 2 o'clock yet...

I don't see this gaffe as being too significant. What's £2.7/£4.8Bn out of all the other debt he's going to put the country in?

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MaxSo said:

DT398 said:

ATG said:

Savaged on Woman's Hour. Ripped a new one.

That exchange pretty much sums up the current crop of Labour shadow cabinet members and the party in general right now. What a shambles.

How can anyone think our economy would improve with that lot at the helm?

Do you *honestly* think it is highly important that he couldn't recall the exact figure off the top of his head?

Yes. He's trying to be PM. If I were trying to run the country I'd know how much my key policy would cost.

Just as I'd know how much extra police officers would cost if I wanted to be the Home Secretary.

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MaxSo said:

Why was it a car crash?

He performed badly - if you can't see that then - "There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know"

This is his first proper fk up off the campaign, which let's face it, has been WAY better than even his most ardent supporters thought possible.
Even Alistair Campbell.
Even Nigel Farage.

But a fk up it is.

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MaxSo said:

La Liga said:

MaxSo said:

DT398 said:

ATG said:

Savaged on Woman's Hour. Ripped a new one.

That exchange pretty much sums up the current crop of Labour shadow cabinet members and the party in general right now. What a shambles.

How can anyone think our economy would improve with that lot at the helm?

Do you *honestly* think it is highly important that he couldn't recall the exact figure off the top of his head?

Yes. He's trying to be PM. If I were trying to run the country I'd know how much my key policy would cost.

Just as I'd know how much extra police officers would cost if I wanted to be the Home Secretary.

And you too, are you able to understand the difference?

He lost a memory game.

A difference which isn't relevant to my criticism.

He should be acutely aware that two members of his cabinet in key positions have generated significant negative coverage for being unable to recall / grasp figures around key policies.

It's rather foreseeable that that theme will be explored by future interviewers. He should have had notes / his iPad actually logged on before the interview in anticipation. Or simply have already memorised a simple figure so it was second nature.

It wasn't a 'memory game', it was a 'preparation / competence game'.

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I'm 1:30 into the interview and I'm actually quite appalled by Paxmans badgering. He's just rude and ineffective. Not sure I can watch 30 minutes of this.

ETA. Nope I'm done. 10 minutes. Paxo has lost it. Should have been Andrew Neil

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 30th May 16:18

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JagLover said:

I believe "Zionist" simply means Jewish

No. Its general definition means the national movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel.

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JagLover said:

garyhun said:

JagLover said:

I believe "Zionist" simply means Jewish

No. Its general definition means the national movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel.

sigh

I meant in this context the use of "Zionist" as a term of derision simply means Jewish.

Parrot for moi!

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Can people please stop linking the Independent, which it clearly isn't! I get enough of that bias on FB, it should renamed as Pravda UK

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esxste said:

Globs said:

I have a feeling May was badly advised (perhaps by design) and a stable May government competently arranging Brexit for us will come to a screeching halt and she'll be out.

Maybe she knows what a clusterfk brexit will be and wants out.

That's a good point . Perhaps not as inept as they seem at this time.
Although history will prove that it was the 'strong & stable' one who actually gave Labour a chance, when they didn't have to.

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esxste said:

Globs said:

I have a feeling May was badly advised (perhaps by design) and a stable May government competently arranging Brexit for us will come to a screeching halt and she'll be out.

Maybe she knows what a clusterfk brexit will be and wants out.

She wouldn't have stood for leader if that were the case. It would have been easy to let Boris, Gove and Ledsom take the poisoned chalice, but she didn't, she went for the top job and so far has done a decent job of it. I have little doubt she is trying to do the best for the country, the fact she is st at impromptu public debates doesn't mean she is st as PM or will be st in a hard negotiation with serious people about a serious matter.

Easy to forget with all the current election bks going on, where none of the above matters. We had years of slick persona aholes like Blair and Cameron, I'd much prefer a serious person with poor public communication skills who is capable of listening and who knows their subject working on my side, than either of those pillocks.

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SpeedMattersNot said:

n this thread, perhaps that's your opinion, but the NP&E is and has always been synonymous with left-wing bashing.

The reason you're hearing more voices from the left is people have had enough...and the 'strong and stable' catchphrase that is STILL being used has got peoples backs up, when May is anything but! If she can't handle Corbyn then what hope has she got against the dozens of EU MEPs?

I have only been following the bookies odds (William Hill) and Tories have gone from 1/20 down to 2/9...Labour from 20/1 down to 10/1. I've no doubt it'll still be a Conservative majority, but this is the Conservatives last chance.

She wont be dealing with dozens of MEP's. Do you still not understand the process of the negotiations?

I've only ever placed one bet in my life, I won £2500 on a £50 stake. I wont be placing a bet on Corbyn.