Lad killed by US wrong side driver, who's done a bunk...

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Questions being asked now locally about the aftermath of this accident. Victim was laying on the verge / ditch for 20 mins before ambulance arrived......and 400 yards away is an RAF base manned by USAF personnel / US Agents. Do they not have some emergency response for accidents on base? Should these not have been deployed? Or were they deployed, if so what did they do, who did they look after?

They are certainly deployed from places like civilian airfields for accidents and incidents in the vicinity. Was such help requested, could it have been and if it was, what was provided?
Could have saved the lad or at least helped his pain?

Also, it appears that some sort of signage has appeared outside the base urging drivers to consider using the left had side of the road. Bearing in mind this happened on 27th August, it would appear that some bright spark has finally decided it may be an idea. Having said all that, this lady ignored some very clear road markings, so signs would seemingly similarly be completely ignored. But at least it is a start.

Edited by poo at Paul's on Sunday 13th October 00:47

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stanwan said:

On a related note,

I had the pleasure of a Volvo courtesy car recently. The dealership is sited pretty much next to the M25. What was immediately noticeable was the car’s steering feel was completely off - I thought I had a puncture it was so bad.

Turns out it was the lane departure system forcibly steering back into the “correct lane”. The effect was extremely pronounced on slip roads. To me it felt counter intuitive and unnerving. Keeping the indicators on would cancel out the effect, but it does get confused around roadworks where lan markings intermingle.

How would a LHD car with this system behave when driven in the UK?

I’m not seeking to blame the vehicle but do wonder How it would behave with a distracted driver fully reliant on the car’ ability to get them out of trouble....

Edited by stanwan on Sunday 13th October 12:24

Presume you have to call the AA to effect an overtake?

FFS

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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/us-diplomats-...

So she spoke to him, but got another dirver to call for help etc whilst she "comforted her kids". Clearly got not gump and doesn't really care. To hear his Dad got to him in the ditch, (emergency crews called him) but Harry waited 20 mins for help, when the accident happened 400 yards from a military base with medics available, and she is fking comforting her kids...…….

Why did she not alert the base and get them to send some medics or rescue people? But so long as she and her kids are ok...

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Dan_1981 said:

I don't think we can kick her for checking on her own kids after just being involved in a serious accident.

Her priority is to get help, for the guy with bones coming out of his arms, in the ditch. She cant even take responsibility for that, the other driver that she got to help likely did not know she was from a military base, hell he may not have even known it was there and hence just called an ambulance. She would have known though, she was a regular there and knew what it had, what it didn't.

Her actions by definition were entirely selfish, from the time of the accident to now. A truly disgraceful being. The excuse of her kids is why these people drive about in 2 tonne volvos, their kids will be safe when they are negligent and fk everyone else's kids.

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Now reported that he was 43 minutes in the road before help arrived, despite every major bone being broken in the accident.
Miscatergorised as a cat 2 from the call for help; Of course this was not called in from the woman who killed him, presume she was busy covering her arse!

fking awful

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ali_kat said:

She flagged down someone else to ask them to make the call & left Harry so she could look after her kids who were ‘safe’ in the back of her car.

Not that it’s been mentioned by anyone.

err, pretty sure I mentioned it a few weeks ago!


She sounds like a piece of work, and by work, I mean st.

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As the OP, I posted this having been to the site a few weeks after as the victim was related to a friend of mine.
On way to Silverstone last week, again, I drive by the site, and was surprised to see they had stopped using the main gate for access, and were busy installing some anti ram posts / devises in front of the main gate house barriers. Apparently before there was a simple gate, then barriers at a gate house to allow entry once checked in.

Looks to me that the site is worried now it has been in the press, the circumstances of this incident and more importantly what it seems to do now, (and what type work there) that is at a higher risk from a security point of view. Whether they will start using the main gate again or not, I am not sure, currently the access is via another gate onto the A43 dual carriageway, makes more sense to preclude future wrong side drivers perhaps?

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Rogue86 said:

Ayahuasca said:

Most military bases have their own medical centres and medics capable of providing aid.

As has been explained, med centres don't respond incidents like this. That's what the emergency services are for. Most of the staff in that med centre will be at home, probably off-camp. I've had to respond to a fair few calls out of hours and I don't think I ever saw military medical staff on any of them, even though there were often military Police.

Even on Ex when accidents happened, SOP was to take them to the nearest A&E.

That's certainly not true of UK military (RAF) bases I have been on albeit some time ago. And also civilian airfields etc, commonly will react to serious incidents in the vicinity of the airfield provided cover / airfield use allows.

What facilities they have at Croughton, I am not sure, but I suspect if some Spook was seriously injured in a ditch 30 yards away INSIDE the fence, he would not be waiting 43 minutes for help...

Interesting, that having bolstered the barriers and protection at the main gate from where this idiot emerged before killing this lad, they are now using it again as main access......and a couple of days after, mysteriously the memorial sign at the scene of the lads death has been removed .........…. Maybe they don't like to be reminded of the stuff their oppos do as they drive into work each day?

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Ayahuasca said:

A propos of nothing my little sister was delivered by British Army medics...

So was my big brother, mind you the medic was there at conception, too!

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ruprechtmonkeyboy said:

I see this is gaining some traction again. I hope she has to come back from the US and face a trial.

Drove past on the way back from Silverstone yesterday and the stolen banner is back, (not sure if it is the same one or a new one, of course) !!

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warch said:

She probably won't come back, but at least the stupid bint can't come back to this country again without facing arrest.

I can't believe anyone would rather cut and run just because they are a parent, part of being a parent is setting a decent example to your children.

I wonder if they will now go for an arrest warrant for Europe (whilst we are still in EU) and stop her coming to mainland Europe too?

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WilliamWoollard said:

There are now painted arrows on the road and signs advising "drive on the left" outside the base entrance.

Interestingly, whislt those are new, there was an arrow showing anyone overtaking on the right (broken line) should move back to the left just before the brow of the hill that she seemed to ignore and drove over the top of on the right just before the impact. So I am not convinced these newly painted lines would have helped the hapless perpetrator in this case. In fact, I think she may have ignored two of them about 40m apart, you can see them on Google earth.

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Spy, not a spy? Who knows? What we do know is she’s a snivelling chicken st prick

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At the time it happened, googling her suggested she was ex DoD IIRC
Not sure about that, but she is definitely a despicable specimen

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I went by this place last week on return from Europe trip. Did they not initially put signs up saying something like "Please drive on the left" (the council I mean in the aftermath). Someone pointed out why the "please" its not a request!!!

Well, what I noticed last week was they say "drive on the left" now. I think they have been changed! Not sure, but I reckon it is Northamptonshie council, that are in charge there.....werent they the ones who went into liquidation pretty much in 2018?

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Another dash cam vid from Thursday this week of some inept tt driving out of this base turning right but onto the wrong side of the road, head onto a car.
Selfish fking muppets, if you cannot drive on the correct side of the road here, stop being a selfish prick and get a fking cab! aholes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptons...

Edited by poo at Paul's on Friday 14th February 23:14

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Halb said:

poo at Paul's said:

Another dash cam vid from Thursday this week of some inept tt driving out of this base turning right but onto the wrong side of the road, head onto a car.
Selfish fking muppets, if you cannot drive on the correct side of the road here, stop being a selfish prick and get a fking cab! aholes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptons...

Edited by poo at Paul's on Friday 14th February 23:14

THat's pretty bad.

Not only that, look at the White people carrier waiting to turn out of the entrance...……..it too is on the wrong side of the road at that junction. So presumably has driven on the wrong side on the Base to get to where they are, no doubt following the other fktard.
Seems to have happened the same day or day before this gem from Northamptonshire Police.....They're clearly on top of the problem...!!

https://www.facebook.com/northantspolice/photos/a....

Edited by poo at Paul's on Saturday 15th February 13:43

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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/us-military-...

Another crash involving one of their cars on diplo plates. Dead straight road, 30 mph...……..!

fking idiot, that is about 3 miles from the base and he'd have negotiated one village with a roundabout to get there, as well as a T junction with a B road.

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Alucidnation said:

Eyersey1234 said:

......she has to live with what she has done for the rest of her life.

fking good.

I hope it eats her from the inside out.

She wont give a hairy st, sadly, She's forgotten about it for at least 6 months now.

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Stay in Bed Instead said:

It's not a quest for justice, it's a quest for vengeance.

To the family, it is the same thing. And to any family.
You'd not willingly offer up your son or daughter to be killed, i am sure, and if they were to be either by accident, or on purpose, you would expect the perpetrator to be punished to the full extent of the law of the land.
Sarcolas absconded, under the guise of diplonatic immunity, but she did abscond, she did not inform the investigating authorities of her intention to leave, the first they knew was when she failed to keep some appts and interviews, and they were informed she had been in USA for some weeks!
Whatever the law or rules allowed her to do, to the family, they want her to pay for her crime. You would want that, i would want that. You may think it vengence, but at the moment, since she has not surrendered to any proceedings, nor looks likely to, you can only be sure that they want her to pay for what she did. It is entirely reasoable.

I have to say, again, i am surprised at her actions on the day and afterwards. I suspect there was far mroe to this that may be a simple moment of forgetfullness, or a concern that an investigations would highight something else or something embarrasing to the base or activities that go on there. From what i have heard from someone I know close to the incident, it seems highly likley that both her and the front seat passenger, her son, were using mobile phones at the time, and one wonders if any investigation which would have looked at what she was doing, may cause some issues as to what would be on her phone? Surely they would ahve had legal advice to suggest a relatively minor slap on the wrist, in the case of a genuine simple mistake or wrong side driving and resultant accident. I believe there is far more to this. Either she was in some way distracted (arguing on phone maybe, screeming at her kids, not paying attention) or maybe she has some previous for this sort of thing, distracted driving etc. But her actions, whether legal or not, dont sit with this being the simple one of mistake that she is making it out to be.

Anyone driving the path she did, would be seriously not paying attention to not notice she was on the wrogn side of the road. There are two painted road arrows informing her to move back to the left before the brow of the hill she hit him at, and of course solid double white lines there, where she turned out, you can indeed use both sides of road, for overtaking, hence the white "return to the left" arrows. Maybe you may miss one of them, but both of them, in what, 300 metres from pulling out....? Highly unlikely if you are even vaguely paying attention.
IMHO, there is another reason she did a bunk.