3rd Iranian Nuclear Scientist Killed

[ChiChoAndy]

Blib said:

Lucky then that Iran's President has vowed to wipe tjeir homeland off of the face of the Earth.

I wonder what weapon is he planning to use?

That's not what he said though, is it... I'm sure this convo has been done to death on PH.

[Jimbeaux]

Countdown said:

Jimbeaux said:

Iranian nuke scientists are killed in this manner over a few years: A motorcycle rides up in traffic and places a "sticky" bomb on the passenger window and rides off, the mini-bomb goes off killing only the scientist, 007 style. This is interesting. Two schools of thought:

1) It is the Israelis, CIA, MI-6, or assorted Western interests.

2) It is Saudia Arabia because there is an undercurrent battle between the Arab Saudis and the Persian Iranians for dominance in both the ME and the Islamic "world".

While the first option comes to mind right away, the second makes sense when we understand that there are others in the ME besides just Israel that do not want a nuclear Iran.

I've read countless suggestions that it's the Israelis. As others have pointed out, they have a history of carrying out this type of killing. I've not read any suggestion anywhere that suggest the Saudis are behind this have ever done this kind of thing (until now).

It is an optional train of thought being floated by certain people in intelligence circles. The thought being that the rank and file will automatically think Israelis, therefore the Saudis would feel less suspected. There is a somewhat valid argument that they have such interests. Nobody in the ME wants a nuclear Iran. Wikileaks has shown that the house of Saud has asked the U.S. to preemtively strike Iran before. The Sunni Saudis and the Shia Iranians are already natural advisaries. Being predominate in the ME and/or the Islamic world may be a motive for both.
Personaly, I lean more toward the Israeli option but see the Saudi one as interesting conversation at least.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Sunday 24th July 23:06

[Jimbeaux]

Countdown said:

ChiChoAndy said:

What I don't really understand is the revulsion folks have for Iranians having nuclear power. There is a long way between fuel sufficient for nuclear fuel, and purifying it so it is suitable for weapons. Why, exactly, do the Israelia, or Saudis don't what them to have electricity?

It's not for electricity. Its for self-defense. They've learned from what the US has done in the cases of Iraq, Pakistan, and North Korea.

What has the U.S. done to NK? Pakistan? (who has nukes BTW).

[Jimbeaux]

ChiChoAndy said:

Countdown said:

It's not for electricity. Its for self-defense. They've learned from what the US has done in the cases of Iraq, Pakistan, and North Korea.

What suggests to you that they are doing it for self defense? They have moves facilities into bunkers, but is this because of sneak attacks from elsewhere, or for nafaripis reasons? All I can find with regards to nefarious motives is a dodgy essay that seems to crop up on paranoid websites. The IAEA haven't said anything about them going to weapons grade material.

Valid pointsCCA, but do you really put that much stock in the IAEA, a U.N. subsidiary?

[whoami]

Blib said:

whoami said:

S 8 GRN said:

Regiment said:

I would say prime suspect number 1 are the Israelis, there was evidence they went after and killed the scientist in Dubai and they know the UN won't touch them with all the pro-Jew support of the US administration.

Those Jew people are clearly trouble.

Lucky then that Iran's President has vowed to wipe tjeir homeland off of the face of the Earth.

I wonder what weapon is he planning to use?

I'm not sure what your point is.

[S 8 GRN]

ChiChoAndy said:

Blib said:

Lucky then that Iran's President has vowed to wipe tjeir homeland off of the face of the Earth.

I wonder what weapon is he planning to use?

That's not what he said though, is it... I'm sure this convo has been done to death on PH.

It's as good as that buddy - getting rid of the regime would be getting rid of my homeland.

He has some lovely thoughts on the holocaust too if you want to check em out?

[Jimbeaux]

S 8 GRN said:

ChiChoAndy said:

Blib said:

Lucky then that Iran's President has vowed to wipe tjeir homeland off of the face of the Earth.

I wonder what weapon is he planning to use?

That's not what he said though, is it... I'm sure this convo has been done to death on PH.

It's as good as that buddy - getting rid of the regime would be getting rid of my homeland.

He has some lovely thoughts on the holocaust too if you want to check em out?

I agree 100% with you on that topic S 8 GRN, but let's try to not let baiters suck us into that debate on this thread.

[ChiChoAndy]

S 8 GRN said:

It's as good as that buddy - getting rid of the regime would be getting rid of my homeland.

He has some lovely thoughts on the holocaust too if you want to check em out?

Not really... Getting rid of the regime is no different to getting rid of any other 'regime'. See Saddam, Grenada, panama, or any other regime removal conflict. Regime refers to the authority, not just blowing a country up. Yes, he is a holocaust denier, (or at the very least a heavy questioner, however you look at it), but that doesn't alter the mistranslation. Just pointing out a mistake, not advocating for the guy.

[Victor McDade]

After reading the wiki leaks revelations I'd put my money on this originating from saudi arabia. But like the spine less cowards they are, it will have been outsourced to a non saudi group.

I'm no fan of the current Iranian regime but if there is ever a shia-sunni, arab-persian war in the middle east I know which side I'll be supporting. Most persians I've met are humble, civilised, intelligent folks who share many of our values. Can't say the same for our 'got rich overnight and now look at me' arab friends though.

[Jimbeaux]

ChiChoAndy said:

S 8 GRN said:

It's as good as that buddy - getting rid of the regime would be getting rid of my homeland.

He has some lovely thoughts on the holocaust too if you want to check em out?

Not really... Getting rid of the regime is no different to getting rid of any other 'regime'. See Saddam, Grenada, panama, or any other regime removal conflict. Regime refers to the authority, not just blowing a country up. Yes, he is a holocaust denier, (or at the very least a heavy questioner, however you look at it), but that doesn't alter the mistranslation. Just pointing out a mistake, not advocating for the guy.

Speaking out of turn, and going against my own topic adherence advice.....I heavily suspect it is not a regime they are advocating changing but the removal of Jews from the region altogether. Now, a regime change in Iran could be nice. The majority (I believe) of the Iranian people would be very good neighbors IMO.

[Jimbeaux]

Victor McDade said:

After reading the wiki leaks revelations I'd put my money on this originating from saudi arabia. But like the spine less cowards they are, it will have been outsourced to a non saudi group.

I'm no fan of the current Iranian regime but if there is ever a shia-sunni, arab-persian war in the middle east I know which side I'll be supporting. Most persians I've met are humble, civilised, intelligent folks who share many of our values. Can't say the same for our 'got rich overnight and now look at me' arab friends though.

I tend to agree. The Saudis seem far less desireable than the Persians when it comes to human interaction in general. I understand it is geo-political hydrocarbon politics that drive their hook up with the West; however, all things being equal, they are fence-riding a$$holes.

[ChiChoAndy]

Jimbeaux said:

Speaking out of turn, and going against my own topic adherence advice.....I heavily suspect it is not a regime they are advocating changing but the removal of Jews from the region altogether. Now, a regime change in Iran could be nice. The majority (I believe) of the Iranian people would be very good neighbors IMO.

Well the ones I met on the coast were nice as pie. They have a temperament to be as western as the folks in Dubai and Jebel Ali. To be honest, the Ayatollahs are more of a threat than Dinnerjacket. They hold the power, and the fear factor over the people. These are the folks that the people need to rise up against. The mutaween, or whatever they are called are the vermin that need to be removed, and their doo-lally masters.

[davepoth]

ChiChoAndy said:

Well the ones I met on the coast were nice as pie. They have a temperament to be as western as the folks in Dubai and Jebel Ali. To be honest, the Ayatollahs are more of a threat than Dinnerjacket. They hold the power, and the fear factor over the people. These are the folks that the people need to rise up against. The mutaween, or whatever they are called are the vermin that need to be removed, and their doo-lally masters.

Very much so; you couldn't meet a kinder and more honourable group of people. Sadly it's difficult to see what's going to break the government there.

[Jimbeaux]

ChiChoAndy said:

Jimbeaux said:

Speaking out of turn, and going against my own topic adherence advice.....I heavily suspect it is not a regime they are advocating changing but the removal of Jews from the region altogether. Now, a regime change in Iran could be nice. The majority (I believe) of the Iranian people would be very good neighbors IMO.

Well the ones I met on the coast were nice as pie. They have a temperament to be as western as the folks in Dubai and Jebel Ali. To be honest, the Ayatollahs are more of a threat than Dinnerjacket. They hold the power, and the fear factor over the people. These are the folks that the people need to rise up against. The mutaween, or whatever they are called are the vermin that need to be removed, and their doo-lally masters.

100% agree. Dinnerjacket is a puppet of the Mullahs. The problem is that they hand pick the "candidates" for President. The Iranian public know this; they must be very depressed in that regard. How long before the planets align and allow their overthrow.....and by whom?

[ChiChoAndy]

davepoth said:

Very much so; you couldn't meet a kinder and more honourable group of people. Sadly it's difficult to see what's going to break the government there.

As I said, I don't think it is the government that needs to be broken, rather the stranglehold of the ayatollahs. They have the power, not so much the government, Dinnerjacket makes noises, but that's all they are, quite frankly. Get rid of the religious oppression, and their religious big brother mentality, and you will, I think, be good to go.

[Jimbeaux]

ChiChoAndy said:

davepoth said:

Very much so; you couldn't meet a kinder and more honourable group of people. Sadly it's difficult to see what's going to break the government there.

As I said, I don't think it is the government that needs to be broken, rather the stranglehold of the ayatollahs. They have the power, not so much the government, Dinnerjacket makes noises, but that's all they are, quite frankly. Get rid of the religious oppression, and their religious big brother mentality, and you will, I think, be good to go.

TBH, I have had the displeasure of working with some of my counterparts from Saudi (while in Uzbekistan). I suppose that is not a fair representation of the people. While certainly not of the upper crust, they are surely sanctioned by such, thus bent in that fashion.

[ChiChoAndy]

Where in Saudi were you? We used to travel between Kafji, (only bit of Saudi invaded by Saddam in Gulf war I), and Ras Tanura. Both of them were places that I advised people I didn't like to go there on holiday. Saudi could possibly be the living incarnation of He'll on earth. Horrible place. I worked in both Kazakhstan, and Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan was friggin sweet. No idea what to expect before we went there, but Baku was stupendous. I'd go back in a heartbeat. Kazakhstan was different. Limited to a craphole called Bautino. It was poo.

[glazbagun]

Jimbeaux said:

Countdown said:

ChiChoAndy said:

What I don't really understand is the revulsion folks have for Iranians having nuclear power. There is a long way between fuel sufficient for nuclear fuel, and purifying it so it is suitable for weapons. Why, exactly, do the Israelia, or Saudis don't what them to have electricity?

It's not for electricity. Its for self-defense. They've learned from what the US has done in the cases of Iraq, Pakistan, and North Korea.

What has the U.S. done to NK? Pakistan? (who has nukes BTW).

I think that's the point he was making. Have nukes and the US will leave you alone, more or less. Don't have them & the US will run through your country when the mood takes it.

[davepoth]

ChiChoAndy said:

As I said, I don't think it is the government that needs to be broken, rather the stranglehold of the ayatollahs. They have the power, not so much the government, Dinnerjacket makes noises, but that's all they are, quite frankly. Get rid of the religious oppression, and their religious big brother mentality, and you will, I think, be good to go.

Dinnerjacket isn't really the government. All the power goes through the Ayatollahs, who decide who the public are allowed to vote in as president. It could be argued that even the Ayatollahs aren't running the show any more; the Revolutionary Guard owns most of the state industries and is more or less independently controlled by itself, with the aim of maintaining the status quo.

[Jimbeaux]

ChiChoAndy said:

Where in Saudi were you? We used to travel between Kafji, (only bit of Saudi invaded by Saddam in Gulf war I), and Ras Tanura. Both of them were places that I advised people I didn't like to go there on holiday. Saudi could possibly be the living incarnation of He'll on earth. Horrible place. I worked in both Kazakhstan, and Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan was friggin sweet. No idea what to expect before we went there, but Baku was stupendous. I'd go back in a heartbeat. Kazakhstan was different. Limited to a craphole called Bautino. It was poo.

Not in Saudi, worked with them in Uzbekistan. Made a few hops into Azerbaijan but didn't get to get the feel. Kyrgistan was a nice trip. Spent the majority of time in Bishkek.