The increasingly rapid demise of our Country
Discussion
Snoggledog said:
You're 22 ffs. You're thinking too much about things. Stop worrying and sow your seed yonder. Start worrying about the demise of society when you get to 35 and after you've had as much fun as possible.
When you get a little older, you'll realise that you can't do anything about it and there's virtually no point in moaning.
When you get a little older, you'll realise that you can't do anything about it and there's virtually no point in moaning.
Eric Mc said:
Grumpy Old Men are bad enough. Grumpy Young Men are a sure sign the country is in demise.
I've had some food and some cider so I feel a little better now.I think you've both hit the nail on the head.
It really isn't my problem as I don't have any children yet (and hopefully never will while residing in this Country) plus I'm also emmigrating to Canada or New Zealand in about 5 years.
Cheers
Tonberry said:
Snoggledog said:
You're 22 ffs. You're thinking too much about things. Stop worrying and sow your seed yonder. Start worrying about the demise of society when you get to 35 and after you've had as much fun as possible.
When you get a little older, you'll realise that you can't do anything about it and there's virtually no point in moaning.
When you get a little older, you'll realise that you can't do anything about it and there's virtually no point in moaning.
Eric Mc said:
Grumpy Old Men are bad enough. Grumpy Young Men are a sure sign the country is in demise.
I've had some food and some cider so I feel a little better now.I think you've both hit the nail on the head.
It really isn't my problem as I don't have any children yet (and hopefully never will while residing in this Country) plus I'm also emmigrating to Canada or New Zealand in about 5 years.
Cheers
It isn't a question of your age either! I'm in my late 40s - neither old nor young, IMO
I have been saying for a while that the section of society which is responsible for anti-social behaviour, crime and the decline of whole swathes of this country has been growing more and more rapidly so that the areas we all seek to live in - good neighbours, low crime rates and a community spirit, among others - are increasingly hard to find, especially in urban and suburban places. The town I grew up in and still work in today has turned from being a pleasant and relatively crime-free town into a grubby, chav-infested place with crap shops like Poundland and 99pStore and recently had the dubious distinction of being on the News when the shops were broken into during the "riots". That just wouldn't have happened a decade or two ago! I don't live there any more...
I have to say I'm surprised your views haven't raised more support on here and it's down to the general malaise and "can't do anything about it" that allows the problem to spread. If anything good came out of the riots, I th
Nice one!BuzzLightyear said:
...I think it's that realisation is dawning that SOMETHING has to be done to stop it!
Parents need to stop abdicating their responsibilities. There's zero need for new laws. Public enquiries just waste money. We have a benefits system that allows people to take no responsibility for their actions, and we have a generation or two of "parents" who don't know right from wrong themselves, so what hope is there for their offspring?
But equally I guess we shouldn't get carried away with what we see on the front of the tabloids all the time. There are definite s
t holes in this country. As there are in *every* country. There are scrotes and ne'er-do-wells. Ditto. Are there any more of this type than there were 20, 30 or 40yrs ago? I doubt it. We just hear about them far more often because the media thinks it's their duty to stir up some hysteria.The spread of these people and their behaviours will only go so far.
BuzzLightyear said:
Tonberry said:
Snoggledog said:
You're 22 ffs. You're thinking too much about things. Stop worrying and sow your seed yonder. Start worrying about the demise of society when you get to 35 and after you've had as much fun as possible.
When you get a little older, you'll realise that you can't do anything about it and there's virtually no point in moaning.
When you get a little older, you'll realise that you can't do anything about it and there's virtually no point in moaning.
Eric Mc said:
Grumpy Old Men are bad enough. Grumpy Young Men are a sure sign the country is in demise.
I've had some food and some cider so I feel a little better now.I think you've both hit the nail on the head.
It really isn't my problem as I don't have any children yet (and hopefully never will while residing in this Country) plus I'm also emmigrating to Canada or New Zealand in about 5 years.
Cheers
It isn't a question of your age either! I'm in my late 40s - neither old nor young, IMO
Don
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don4l said:
I would also like to express my support for the OP. It's nice to see that some of the younger generation have standards, even though some of the older generation are losing their's.
Don
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Well said I totally agree, OP it is a fundamental blight on society at large and whilst as an isolated example it could perhaps be "passed off" as an over reaction it truly isn't, it is just where we are and it is far more than isolated so therefore is a problem!Don
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Eric Mc said:
We've been going to the dogs forever.
Not quite Eric. Your social commentary is usually excellent, but not this time. The Victorians had problems not dissimilar to those we have now. They overcame them by a number of means, perhaps summed up by the concept of 'shame'; they bought back shame in society. They made it shameful for a single woman to have kids. They made it shameful for children to misbehave in public. They made it shameful to live without a job. They made it shameful to offend against society.
They largely rescued the country by doing so.
We cannot do this. Political correctness prohibits the labelling of anyone's actions as 'shameful'. While we are told to be 'inclusive' and 'tolerant', we are not allowing anyone - figures of authority or otherwise - to say that something, someone, or some way of behaving is wrong. When you throw the divisive element of race into it the problem is given another dimension; unattractive behaviour brought with people from other countries is labelled as 'cultural' and is therefore utterly beyond criticism.
What can be done to remedy the situation? Set acceptable standards of behaviour and apply them, and encourage society to apply them as well. Make it shameful to live on benefits with no attempt to support yourself. Make it shameful for anyone to get pregnant by multiple fathers. Make it shameful to have children before you have any chance of supporting them. Make it shameful to riot for the fun of it, to loot other people's businesses, property, cars, belongings. And - critically - make society point the finger of shame at such people, publicly and loudly.
Oli.
You have actually supported my original point. Moral views move in great cycles. The debauchery and corruption of the middle 18th century to middle 19th century kickstarted the great moral crusades of the later 19th century. My gut feeling is that a groundswsell for a better moral code of behaviour for the country is beginning. The events of two weeks ago were a massive wake up call,
We shall just have to see how things pan out but a major reasessment of where we are and what we want for this country is in order.
We shall just have to see how things pan out but a major reasessment of where we are and what we want for this country is in order.
zcacogp said:
Not quite Eric. Your social commentary is usually excellent, but not this time.
The Victorians had problems not dissimilar to those we have now. They overcame them by a number of means, perhaps summed up by the concept of 'shame'; they bought back shame in society. They made it shameful for a single woman to have kids. They made it shameful for children to misbehave in public. They made it shameful to live without a job. They made it shameful to offend against society.
They largely rescued the country by doing so.
That is complete and utter nonsense and I really don't know where to start in dissecting it. That there were huge social ills during the Victorian era is beyond dispute. However to suggest that the these problems were either 'overcame' is in itself far from the truth and to suggest there were 'overcame' by the concept of shame displays nothing more than your ignorance of British history.The Victorians had problems not dissimilar to those we have now. They overcame them by a number of means, perhaps summed up by the concept of 'shame'; they bought back shame in society. They made it shameful for a single woman to have kids. They made it shameful for children to misbehave in public. They made it shameful to live without a job. They made it shameful to offend against society.
They largely rescued the country by doing so.
The population of Britain more than doubled during the Victorian era and nearly all of it occured in towns and cities as a result of the mass ubarnisation fuelled by the Industrial Revolution. On the one hand living standards rose, but for millions poverty was rife and the Poor Laws and the introdutcion of the Workhoue did precisely f
k all to alleviate it.I'm as annoyed and angry as anyone about the recent riots but please don't try to claim the Victorians lived in the golden age of peace, prosperity and progress because they didn't. Life in Victorian Britain was pretty miserable for probably 90% of the population - I would reverse that figure today.
Edited by rover 623gsi on Sunday 21st August 23:21
Tonberry said:
Pothole said:
You subjected a group of 8 years olds to 'further inspection' and you're asking us what's gone wrong?
And as for teenagers dressed as hookers on nights out....
I feel the problem here is that we let people do whatever the hell they want, due to liberal laws on human rights and other drivel that needs to be addressed and corrected.
Call me old fashioned, but back when women dressed themselves accordingly, we were not in the situation we are now. Young people had respect for their parents and for others.
Surely you can see the correlation. People are now untouchable, therefore they will do whatever they like when they like.
Can you not see that?
I do not support communisim but there needs to be some sort of authority within society.
Are you Prince Albert or Disraeli or some other Victorian prig?
Accordingly to what?
'People' are clearly not 'untouchable', viz. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14586090
"The number of people in prison in England and Wales has risen by about 100 a day over the past week, because of the high number of people being jailed for looting and rioting."
Generally, the vast majority of the populace abides by the law.
Tonberry said:
Call me old fashioned, but back when women dressed themselves accordingly, we were not in the situation we are now.
I would call you old fashioned, but at 22, that would be hard to believe.Anyway, I thought one of the common things that always turns up in nostalgia threads was how, as a kid, you'd go out and disappear all day with mates and no one would bat an eyelid.
These days, hardly anyone even walks to school with overprotective parents.
I remember walking a mile to primary school for years, and that was in the late 80's.
Colonial said:
You are a whinger.
Once you move to NZ or Canada you will become just another expat whingeing about how much better the UK was.
You might be, but some of us are quite happy enjoying the lives we've worked hard to enjoy, away from the piss poor summers and piss poor winters, the greed and the envy culture, the decimated high streets, and the shocking standards of behaviour exhibited by many of the inhabitants, both indigenous and imported.Once you move to NZ or Canada you will become just another expat whingeing about how much better the UK was.
Eric Mc said:
You have actually supported my original point. Moral views move in great cycles. The debauchery and corruption of the middle 18th century to middle 19th century kickstarted the great moral crusades of the later 19th century. My gut feeling is that a groundswsell for a better moral code of behaviour for the country is beginning. The events of two weeks ago were a massive wake up call,
We shall just have to see how things pan out but a major reasessment of where we are and what we want for this country is in order.
I genuinely hope you are correct Eric. We shall just have to see how things pan out but a major reasessment of where we are and what we want for this country is in order.
"The world is passing through troublous times. The young people of
today think of nothing but themselves. They have no reverence for
parents or old age. They are impatient of all restraint. They talk as
if they knew everything, and what passes for wisdom with us is
foolishness with them. As for the girls, they are forward, immodest
and unladylike in speech, behavior and dress."
Peter the Hermit in A.D. 1274!
today think of nothing but themselves. They have no reverence for
parents or old age. They are impatient of all restraint. They talk as
if they knew everything, and what passes for wisdom with us is
foolishness with them. As for the girls, they are forward, immodest
and unladylike in speech, behavior and dress."
Peter the Hermit in A.D. 1274!
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