Coronavirus - the killer flu that will wipe us out? (Vol. 4)

Coronavirus - the killer flu that will wipe us out? (Vol. 4)

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red_slr

17,397 posts

191 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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Newc said:
Thought I would christen the new thread with my regularly asked but never answered query.

If the CV worst case for UK is something like 250k deaths:

- are all of those extra to the 600k or so people who die each year in the UK, or is there a lot of crossover with people who are already ill (which is what the Italian figures suggest)

- how does a one-time blip of a maximum 40%-50% (if zero crossover) in annual deaths justify the cratering of the global economy, millions out of work, bankruptcies, suicides, and social upheaval which will take years to recover from
No one knows but the answer is probably yes there will be some cross over.

But from what we have seen in Italy a lot of people are going to die in a very short space of time and some of them will be before their time.

It looks like the govt have got a handle on it, but once the NHS becomes over whelmed is when normal fit and healthy people will die.

The other issue is it looks like CV19 can do long lasting damage to lungs.

In the UK 1500 or so people die each day. If we had a very bad outcome with CV19 it could be many times that per day at the very peak of the outbreak.

Hopefully that wont happen.

Dan_1981

17,424 posts

201 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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Puggit said:
DJMC said:
Let's get some perspective please on this teeny weeny problem called CV.
Here's some perspective: https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-they-call-i...
And from that rather horrifying link is this one...

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-italian-arm...



Escapegoat

5,135 posts

137 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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DJMC said:
Another 460 deaths in the UK today... one every three minutes.

... from heart disease.

What is the government doing to isolate us from sweets, sticky buns, and Greggs?

And YES, you can catch heart disease from someone else: "Would you like one of my doughnuts?"

Did the markets fall and economy collapse due to the sticky bun? No.

Let's get some perspective please on this teeny weeny problem called CV.
From the guy who literally can't wait for his own father to die, and simply wants the stock market and his pension fund to recover.

anonymous-user

56 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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DJMC said:
In what way?

Heart disease is a much bigger issue. Yet we're all allowed to go about out fat lazy lives with no government intervention.

...and then there's smoking and passive smoking...
When do you expect to be able to next take an overseas holiday, just out of interest?

DJMC

3,449 posts

105 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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Puggit said:
Someone posted Italian stats yesterday. Just 3 people with no pre-existing condition died. The others were probably teetering on the edge with their other health issues. They would have become heart or cancer or respiratory or simply old aged death stats sooner or later as is no doubt the case here in the UK.

MOBB

3,637 posts

129 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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Had an interesting chat with a regional manager at work this morning. We operate a few trade counters and he had to cover for a branch manager yesterday who was off (not with CV).

He said he went home last night feeling utterly drained and depressed - due to every single customer talking about CV, re-iterating false information that they had read/heard on Facebook/Twitter etc.

"they're going to lockdown us all"
"they'll be rioting & looting and you'll have to fend for yourselves"
"it will be like this for years"
"they are going to run out of food"

What has happened to us? I know its scary but is this how we are going to behave each time something like this happens?






hyphen

26,262 posts

92 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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DJMC said:
And YES, you can catch heart disease from someone else: "Would you like one of my doughnuts?"
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Obvious Troll is obvious

Julian Thompson

2,549 posts

240 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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Last few days have been notably quieter on the roads and in the car parks. Local cafe dead. (North West)

Phone call this morning from a pal in Borehamwood to tell me he’s confused because today it’s back to normal - everywhere busy.

I tell him I’m sure it’s not and drive to work. And it seems he’s right. Cafe here is flat out busy, car parks that were empty are full again and I’m stuck in traffic.

Any other observations similar or contrasting?

kurt535

3,559 posts

119 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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DJMC said:
Another 460 deaths in the UK today... one every three minutes.

... from heart disease.

What is the government doing to isolate us from sweets, sticky buns, and Greggs?

And YES, you can catch heart disease from someone else: "Would you like one of my doughnuts?"

Did the markets fall and economy collapse due to the sticky bun? No.

Let's get some perspective please on this teeny weeny problem called CV.
you total tool. you been on the bottle this morning already?

chrispmartha

15,601 posts

131 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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DJMC said:
Another 460 deaths in the UK today... one every three minutes.

... from heart disease.

What is the government doing to isolate us from sweets, sticky buns, and Greggs?

And YES, you can catch heart disease from someone else: "Would you like one of my doughnuts?"

Did the markets fall and economy collapse due to the sticky bun? No.

Let's get some perspective please on this teeny weeny problem called CV.
Deary me.

pghstochaj

2,423 posts

121 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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rich12 said:
ElectricSoup said:
At least. Italy's had 2 weeks, and the haven't started the down curve yet. Hopefully we'll see their situation improving in the next week. They did it too late, and we as a country did not learn form their mistake, an are sleep walking into a similar disaster.
So in economic terms, is one not better than the other?
ie, total shut down of everything for say 4 weeks or carry on as we are and this has the potential to carry on for a more than a year?

Is it just not feasible to do the former?
Neither are going to stop the disease, just slow. A partial shutdown is supposed to slow it down (hopefully) in a gradual way. A full lock down would definitely stop it after a few weeks (it will have infected everybody it can at that point) but as soon as people go back outside again (or people travel to the UK), it will be back again. The lockdown method is used when it really gets out of control.

I know it is being repeated all of the time but the idea is to keep the number of infected needing ICU/ventilators below the places available.

Stay in Bed Instead

22,362 posts

159 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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Newc said:
Thought I would christen the new thread with my regularly asked but never answered query.

If the CV worst case for UK is something like 250k deaths:

- are all of those extra to the 600k or so people who die each year in the UK, or is there a lot of crossover with people who are already ill (which is what the Italian figures suggest)

- how does a one-time blip of a maximum 40%-50% (if zero crossover) in annual deaths justify the cratering of the global economy, millions out of work, bankruptcies, suicides, and social upheaval which will take years to recover from
Logically there would have to be some crossover.

People dying at the moment have underlying health issues and the majority are old. Some would have died this year anyway.

DJMC

3,449 posts

105 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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Sambucket said:
When do you expect to be able to next take an overseas holiday, just out of interest?
Why would I want to when we have such a diverse and wonderful country right here?

ElectricSoup

8,202 posts

153 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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rich12 said:
ElectricSoup said:
At least. Italy's had 2 weeks, and the haven't started the down curve yet. Hopefully we'll see their situation improving in the next week. They did it too late, and we as a country did not learn form their mistake, an are sleep walking into a similar disaster.
So in economic terms, is one not better than the other?
ie, total shut down of everything for say 4 weeks or carry on as we are and this has the potential to carry on for a more than a year?

Is it just not feasible to do the former?
I thought that's what I was saying, total shut down required for minimum 3 weeks, preferably 4, with financial support for businesses and individuals from the government over that time ad beyond where necessary. If it means printing money, print money. Lives first, economy second. We can fix an economy, it can recover. We can't reanimate the dead.

dudleybloke

19,985 posts

188 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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Anyone running low on food get to Iceland as the two I have looked in have everything stocked apart from bog-roll and eggs.

They shut at 4pm though now.

NightDriver

1,080 posts

228 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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anonymous said:
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That graph is totally misleading. All it really shows for sure is that we are stepping up our testing at a high rate. Which we are, 45% increase yesterday.


DJMC

3,449 posts

105 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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kurt535 said:
you total tool. you been on the bottle this morning already?
Explain yourself?

My information is correct. What are you trying to say?

MrBarry123

6,032 posts

123 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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DJMC said:
Why would I want to when we have such a diverse and wonderful country right here?
Certainly more diverse than your pension fund by the sounds of it.

SpunkyGlory

2,323 posts

167 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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kurt535 said:
problem with this virus is it hits people differently, even of the same age, suggesting to me its unstable and mutating. ive personally witnessed one person i have no idea why we brought them to hospital whilst another, same age, normally fit and healthy as well was, indeed, at deaths door due to respiratory decline. uk being last to get it is scarier and could indeed mean higher death rate unless we finally get our act together and stop 'suggesting' but 'telling' people what to do, especially bosses like the muppet who owns wetherspoons!
It's mutating massively.

I read something earlier this week that said there are 250 variations of the virus as it's mutated that much. I won't pretend I understood the whole article, but it certainly made the virus sound quite intelligent and a threat for a long time to come.

rich12

3,465 posts

156 months

Friday 20th March 2020
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pghstochaj said:
Neither are going to stop the disease, just slow. A partial shutdown is supposed to slow it down (hopefully) in a gradual way. A full lock down would definitely stop it after a few weeks (it will have infected everybody it can at that point) but as soon as people go back outside again (or people travel to the UK), it will be back again. The lockdown method is used when it really gets out of control.

I know it is being repeated all of the time but the idea is to keep the number of infected needing ICU/ventilators below the places available.
Realistically then, there is nothing to do other than to wait until we either have a vaccine or everyones had it and hope it doesn't come back?

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