Discussion
Iminquarantine said:
Because you can still become infected and pass it on to others, who then end up dead. I'm surprised that after a year to learn about Covid-19, you are still asking a question which most other people figured out around April or May last year.
Nope, not if they’ve been vaccinated. If you are worried about Covid, get vaccinated. If you are vaccinated, then the impact of Covid is reduced to a snotty nose.
If you don’t want to get vaccinated, then you run the risk of getting serious Covid, which may or may not be material depending on your age and conditions.
Seems to me there is no issue. People who don’t want to get vaccinated have a small chance of getting seriously ill and dying. Their call. People who do get vaccinated need to stop fretting.
wiggy001 said:
Chimune said:
Good. I don't want to sit next to some anti vaxxer moron while trying to do my job.
And yet others have to sit next to you. 
We already have draconian and oppressive restrictions who we employ.
No dbs check, no job.
Sorry that should be
NO DBS CHECK, NO JOB
rxe said:
Nope, not if they’ve been vaccinated.
If you are worried about Covid, get vaccinated. If you are vaccinated, then the impact of Covid is reduced to a snotty nose.
If you don’t want to get vaccinated, then you run the risk of getting serious Covid, which may or may not be material depending on your age and conditions.
Seems to me there is no issue. People who don’t want to get vaccinated have a small chance of getting seriously ill and dying. Their call. People who do get vaccinated need to stop fretting.
I'm bored of saying this. But It's Not About You.If you are worried about Covid, get vaccinated. If you are vaccinated, then the impact of Covid is reduced to a snotty nose.
If you don’t want to get vaccinated, then you run the risk of getting serious Covid, which may or may not be material depending on your age and conditions.
Seems to me there is no issue. People who don’t want to get vaccinated have a small chance of getting seriously ill and dying. Their call. People who do get vaccinated need to stop fretting.
Vaccination works at a societal level. We will get out of this by vaccinating society, not people. Ultimately being vaccinated is a social responsibility, like paying taxes and driving safely.
But those who refuse to see that will never understand.
InitialDave said:
Well, you don't want a vaccine, so you're an anti-vaxxer.
But if he's perfectly happy for you to have one then that's not anti-vax, that's abstention.He's not forcing you to comply with his wishes but you're trying to force him to comply with yours. Who's the bad guy in a situation like that?
menousername said:
Iminquarantine said:
Because you can still become infected and pass it on to others, who then end up dead. I'm surprised that after a year to learn about Covid-19, you are still asking a question which most other people figured out around April or May last year.
Actually those having taken the vaccine are likely to be the spreaders in that situation - asymptomatic spread is the risk nowLunarOne said:
You can spread the vaccine whether you are infected or not, but you are a much more effective spreader if you are infected, even if asymptomatic. The vaccine will hopefully reduce everyone's chances of being infected, but it won't mean those people can't spread the virus on their hands by touching supermarket trolleys, toilet flushers, door handles etc etc. Anyway I have my first dose tomorrow, which came as a big surprise considering that I'm 46.
Are you really really short though? I hear that can have an impact on when you're scheduled to be vaccinnated!LunarOne said:
You can spread the vaccine whether you are infected or not, but you are a much more effective spreader if you are infected, even if asymptomatic. The vaccine will hopefully reduce everyone's chances of being infected, but it won't mean those people can't spread the virus on their hands by touching supermarket trolleys, toilet flushers, door handles etc etc. Anyway I have my first dose tomorrow, which came as a big surprise considering that I'm 46.
Of courseAnd you are much more likely to go around in society not knowing you are infected if you have had the vaccine as you will dismiss your symptoms as just a cold etc
The at risk group are those who have not had it - remembering the large majority have no option currently or in the next 6-12 months at least - and they are increasingly at risk by those who have
dmahon said:
Iminquarantine said:
dmahon said:
How does it make you an anti-vaxer moron for not wanting to take a jab for something with a 99.9% survival rate (for my age group). It seems entirely rational to me.
Can see this is going to be this years Covidiots / granny killer / excuse to be sanctimonious on social media. God help me!
Because you can still become infected and pass it on to others, who then end up dead. I'm surprised that after a year to learn about Covid-19, you are still asking a question which most other people figured out around April or May last year. Can see this is going to be this years Covidiots / granny killer / excuse to be sanctimonious on social media. God help me!
I’m willing to concede it’s a net good to society, but it’s entirely rational to think of yourself and take a pass. It certainly doesn’t make you a moron.
Either way I wouldn’t touch it so you and the Pimlico muppet can take a hike.
deckster said:
rxe said:
Nope, not if they’ve been vaccinated.
If you are worried about Covid, get vaccinated. If you are vaccinated, then the impact of Covid is reduced to a snotty nose.
If you don’t want to get vaccinated, then you run the risk of getting serious Covid, which may or may not be material depending on your age and conditions.
Seems to me there is no issue. People who don’t want to get vaccinated have a small chance of getting seriously ill and dying. Their call. People who do get vaccinated need to stop fretting.
I'm bored of saying this. But It's Not About You.If you are worried about Covid, get vaccinated. If you are vaccinated, then the impact of Covid is reduced to a snotty nose.
If you don’t want to get vaccinated, then you run the risk of getting serious Covid, which may or may not be material depending on your age and conditions.
Seems to me there is no issue. People who don’t want to get vaccinated have a small chance of getting seriously ill and dying. Their call. People who do get vaccinated need to stop fretting.
Vaccination works at a societal level. We will get out of this by vaccinating society, not people. Ultimately being vaccinated is a social responsibility, like paying taxes and driving safely.
But those who refuse to see that will never understand.
Second, a huge cost has been incurred and imposed on everyone for the protection of a tiny, almost all old, minority. I, and many many others, think that has been deeply unethical - for example closing schools to children, banning children from seeing their friends and so on. It won't be easily or quickly forgiven by many.
Perhaps the Government could recognise the above, move very quickly out of lockdown and set out how it will, as far as it can, make good some of the damage they have done to so many lives? Perhaps that might lessen the resentment somewhat?
A500leroy said:
18 year old rocks up for a job interview ..."you been jabbed mate?"
"no, pretty much no one my age has died from covid the world over"
"fark orf we don't need your sort here"
TX.
La Liga said:
Which is fine, but then there may be potential employment consequences for you and others who choose that route.
The topic under discussion is if that’s reasonable and ethical considering the complete lack of logic in the argument.I personally wouldn’t work for a company that mandated this, but I think it’s totally unethical.
Plenty of jobs require certain inoculations for travel or crb dsb checks etc and various other requirements like a driving license or passport and so on. It doesn’t seem very different to ask someone to have had a vaccination (assuming it’s available) when there’s been a pandemic affecting the world for a year or so.
Iminquarantine said:
dmahon said:
How does it make you an anti-vaxer moron for not wanting to take a jab for something with a 99.9% survival rate (for my age group). It seems entirely rational to me.
Can see this is going to be this years Covidiots / granny killer / excuse to be sanctimonious on social media. God help me!
Because you can still become infected and pass it on to others, who then end up dead. I'm surprised that after a year to learn about Covid-19, you are still asking a question which most other people figured out around April or May last year. Can see this is going to be this years Covidiots / granny killer / excuse to be sanctimonious on social media. God help me!
I don't have (and never have had) the flu jab so in theory other people might die if they catch it from me. Is that bad as well?
TX.
thewarlock said:
LunarOne said:
You can spread the vaccine whether you are infected or not, but you are a much more effective spreader if you are infected, even if asymptomatic. The vaccine will hopefully reduce everyone's chances of being infected, but it won't mean those people can't spread the virus on their hands by touching supermarket trolleys, toilet flushers, door handles etc etc. Anyway I have my first dose tomorrow, which came as a big surprise considering that I'm 46.
Are you really really short though? I hear that can have an impact on when you're scheduled to be vaccinated!The only issue I see with No Jab No Job is that it’s potentially unfair to job applicants who are not yet eligible for a jab.
Suppose you’re in your 20’s or 30’s, having just been made redundant. You apply for new jobs but don’t get a look in, because your age group is yet to be offered the jab. That to me is somewhat unfair and unhelpful, but this problem goes away once everyone has been offered a jab, later in the year.
So provided NJNJ doesn’t become “a thing” until all groups of society have been offered a vaccine, I don’t see an issue.
Not wanting the jab “because my group isn’t at risk”, especially when there’s early data to suggest it reduces transmission, is just plain arrogance and stupidity towards the rest of society who may well be more vulnerable to CV.
Suppose you’re in your 20’s or 30’s, having just been made redundant. You apply for new jobs but don’t get a look in, because your age group is yet to be offered the jab. That to me is somewhat unfair and unhelpful, but this problem goes away once everyone has been offered a jab, later in the year.
So provided NJNJ doesn’t become “a thing” until all groups of society have been offered a vaccine, I don’t see an issue.
Not wanting the jab “because my group isn’t at risk”, especially when there’s early data to suggest it reduces transmission, is just plain arrogance and stupidity towards the rest of society who may well be more vulnerable to CV.
Ntv said:
wide-boy Charlie Mullins
Money can't buy taste. Or find a decent tailor, a competent cosmetic surgeon, or a believable wig. A pound shop Rod Stewart replica. The vaccine thing is just one of his usually plays for publicity - the Ryanair of plumbing run by its own O'Leary, using the same tricks.
deckster said:
I'm bored of saying this. But It's Not About You.
Vaccination works at a societal level. We will get out of this by vaccinating society, not people. Ultimately being vaccinated is a social responsibility, like paying taxes and driving safely.
But those who refuse to see that will never understand.
I was responding to someone who didn’t want to sit next to an unvaccinated person at work.Vaccination works at a societal level. We will get out of this by vaccinating society, not people. Ultimately being vaccinated is a social responsibility, like paying taxes and driving safely.
But those who refuse to see that will never understand.
Take polio. I’ve had a jab (or is that a sugar lump?), I can’t get polio. I don’t give a s
t if the bloke next to me can get it, because I can’t. If someone doesn’t take the vaccine, they run the risk of getting polio, and passing it on to other people who have not been vaccinated. That’s not social responsibility, it’s Darwinism at work.With Covid, if I’ve been vaccinated and the person sitting next to me has not, then I might get a cold, and a free booster shot of the vaccine. I’m not worried about that.
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