this beggers belief
Discussion
jesta1865 said:
sorry i agree with him, why should any idiot get to breed.
Who do you trust to make the judgement call that you get a licence to breed or not?What do you do when people have kids anyway? As a species it is something we are biologically programmed to do.
Would massive orphanages full of "unapproved" kids be a good way of bringing them up?
A society that enforced termination of unapproved pregnancies is not one I would like to belong to even if I would happily string up the parents of this poor child.
HundredthIdiot said:
jesta1865 said:
sorry i agree with him, why should any idiot get to breed.
and the scum part was aimed at the scum in the article not my grandad, or have i missed something in your comment?
On your first point, are you *seriously* proposing that the state directly controls people's reproductive choices? Using what criteria? Sterilise criminals and the unemployed? Would you be happy having the Labour government deciding whether you were fit to reproduce? Are you going to force abortions for people without reproductive licences? Euthanase the babies? Put them in state homes? It's the sort of opinion put forth by grumpy old men and PHers.and the scum part was aimed at the scum in the article not my grandad, or have i missed something in your comment?
On your second point, it was a joke.
The smart solution would be for the couple to apply to the PH massive for their license.
HundredthIdiot said:
jesta1865 said:
sorry i agree with him, why should any idiot get to breed.
and the scum part was aimed at the scum in the article not my grandad, or have i missed something in your comment?
It's the sort of opinion put forth by grumpy old men and PHers.and the scum part was aimed at the scum in the article not my grandad, or have i missed something in your comment?
no i am not seriously suggesting it in the way you put it, but its an anger thing really, and sometimes it does seem that we have our priorities in society the wrong way round. i don't suppose for one second we could get something as radical off the ground and especially not run correctly, but perhaps there is a case that people involved in this type of case are banned from breeding again. does that make me a bad person, perhaps it does, but i can't help but see a couple in those pictures who don't deserve to have any human rights ever again.
Heskey said:
DonkeyApple said:
Wow. I actually felt sick as I read that article and immensely sad after.
Is it sad that I felt completely neutral as I read it; because I've read quite a few similar articles over the last couple of years that "braindead scroate kills/films child for sick pleasure/because they wouldn't stop crying" no longer surprises me?
I don't really know if this used to happen in the past,but I do not remember it if so. There appears to be an emerging class of angry,violent, cruel, heartless individuals in many countries these days who have no compassion, or even worse, who enjoy inflicting pain on those unable to defend themselves.I have no idea what the remedy is beyond long prison sentences, but I very much doubt if that is much of deterrent as these people do not think they will be caught, and have no remorse if they are.
It has all been said above but this is one case where justice WILL be served for sure.
Wherever this piece of garbage is banged up he will be suffering every day for the rest of his life, no human rights lawyers will be able to step in here.
Once he is in the prison system life as he knows it will be over - hopefully not too quickly.
Wherever this piece of garbage is banged up he will be suffering every day for the rest of his life, no human rights lawyers will be able to step in here.
Once he is in the prison system life as he knows it will be over - hopefully not too quickly.
RDMcG said:
I don't really know if this used to happen in the past,but I do not remember it if so. There appears to be an emerging class of angry,violent, cruel, heartless individuals in many countries these days who have no compassion, or even worse, who enjoy inflicting pain on those unable to defend themselves.I have no idea what the remedy is beyond long prison sentences, but I very much doubt if that is much of deterrent as these people do not think they will be caught, and have no remorse if they are.
no this is just that now they are getting caught, police are finally pursuing these cases. It is hard to prove child abuse, jurys don't trust child evidence and only the fatal cases are coming before them unfortunatly. for every fatal case there are thousands of non fatal cases where the children survive. look how long Baby P was abused before he died. if there was a death in the old days they were probably put down to falling down the stairs.HundredthIdiot said:
On your first point, are you *seriously* proposing that the state directly controls people's reproductive choices? Using what criteria? Sterilise criminals and the unemployed? Would you be happy having the Labour government deciding whether you were fit to reproduce? Are you going to force abortions for people without reproductive licences? Euthanase the babies? Put them in state homes? It's the sort of opinion put forth by grumpy old men and PHers.
Actually, I would be in favour of any policy that meant people needed to get permission of some sort before being allowed to have kids. And, yes, I know that is contentious. Any teacher or social worker is able to spot the kids/young adults who are likely to make poor parents, and it is well known that people who are a drain on society generally have kids that fit in the same category. I would contend that the fact that this couple have killed a child is not that much of a surprise to people who have known them for a number of years.
Forcing people to need a licence before they have children would mean that a LOT of problems in society would be removed within a generation. Pretty much for free, too!
The issue of who makes the decision about issuing the licence, and how to police it (ensure that those without licences really don't have kids) are difficult, but not insurmountable.
Oli.
zcacogp said:
The issue of who makes the decision about issuing the licence, and how to police it (ensure that those without licences really don't have kids) are difficult, but not insurmountable.
Go on then, outline something. I would be genuinely interested in how this might work.For instance, in the case of accidental pregnancy, since that would cover all non-licenced cases ("Not my fault guv, the condom split").
Edited by HundredthIdiot on Thursday 18th November 19:06
Was he unemployed?
I sat on a jury to a similar case, both parents unemployed.
I know most of the left nowadays views unemployment as a lifestyle choice, but im a firm believer in the devil makes work of idle hands and think we will see this become ever more common as work is offshored, and migrants come to do the remaining jobs.
I sat on a jury to a similar case, both parents unemployed.
I know most of the left nowadays views unemployment as a lifestyle choice, but im a firm believer in the devil makes work of idle hands and think we will see this become ever more common as work is offshored, and migrants come to do the remaining jobs.
Edited by 12gauge on Thursday 18th November 19:17
RDMcG said:
I don't really know if this used to happen in the past,but I do not remember it if so. There appears to be an emerging class of angry,violent, cruel, heartless individuals in many countries these days who have no compassion, or even worse, who enjoy inflicting pain on those unable to defend themselves.I have no idea what the remedy is beyond long prison sentences, but I very much doubt if that is much of deterrent as these people do not think they will be caught, and have no remorse if they are.
It probably happens less now, more chance of getting caught, people leaving evidence on phones and so on, more likely to be reported.Some people are just cruel. Always been like this always will be. Its just how the world is. We will always need police and people like this obviously cannot live in society and behave like civilised people. No point rehabilitating them or punishing them and thats coming from someone who very much believes in that most people are inherantly good.
People like these need locked up for good for the sake of society or excecuted for the same reason. A dog that has bitten someone would be put down, why not these people.
zcacogp said:
Actually, I would be in favour of any policy that meant people needed to get permission of some sort before being allowed to have kids. And, yes, I know that is contentious.
Any teacher or social worker is able to spot the kids/young adults who are likely to make poor parents, and it is well known that people who are a drain on society generally have kids that fit in the same category. I would contend that the fact that this couple have killed a child is not that much of a surprise to people who have known them for a number of years.
Forcing people to need a licence before they have children would mean that a LOT of problems in society would be removed within a generation. Pretty much for free, too!
The issue of who makes the decision about issuing the licence, and how to police it (ensure that those without licences really don't have kids) are difficult, but not insurmountable.
Oli.
Couldn't agree more. Middle class kids are absolutely no problem at all, never steal, never swear and always go to church. Social workers have bred into them at an early stage how to spot those bad ones and which people should have two or fifteen kids to redress the balance.Any teacher or social worker is able to spot the kids/young adults who are likely to make poor parents, and it is well known that people who are a drain on society generally have kids that fit in the same category. I would contend that the fact that this couple have killed a child is not that much of a surprise to people who have known them for a number of years.
Forcing people to need a licence before they have children would mean that a LOT of problems in society would be removed within a generation. Pretty much for free, too!
The issue of who makes the decision about issuing the licence, and how to police it (ensure that those without licences really don't have kids) are difficult, but not insurmountable.
Oli.
And the enforcement MO is not without precedent. There were problems last time but I feel sure these could be overcome. Perhaps higher barbed wire? Cheaper gases? Bigger trains?
And I know just the politician to make the decision. Blair of course. Voted in with a massive majority so will have the support of the population and believes in someone floating on a cloud above him. Perhaps that bloke in Italy will be able to help him in deciding what criteria to use. Perhaps no one who doesn’t go to church, or a test of belief in transmogrification or faeries. Or maybe that fat woman on Strictly. She has a lot of support. People vot for her even though she can’t dance. Perhaps she could decide who does and who doesn’t make babies.
Edited by Derek Smith on Friday 19th November 09:43
Shaid GTB said:
Why can we not send long term prisoners to British prisons abroad. Think about it, they will benefit the local economy and prisoners will be a lot cheaper to keep long term in prison.
Like Australia? Seriously, it's a slightly interesting concept. I suspect that the thought of spending 10 years in a prison system outsourced to Turkey etc may adjust a few peoples' actions.
I think we should just make prison a completely solitary event without contact with the outside world. You could shorten the sentences but I would suspect that someone sitting in a lone cell with no view and no TV or radio for 6 months would work better than 5 years sociallising, learning skills of other inmates and continuing in illegal activities such as drugs.
12gauge said:
Was he unemployed?
I sat on a jury to a similar case, both parents unemployed.
I know most of the left nowadays views unemployment as a lifestyle choice, but im a firm believer in the devil makes work of idle hands and think we will see this become ever more common as work is offshored, and migrants come to do the remaining jobs.
right up with you until the last sentence.... its not the migratns fault that most of the UK labourforce are workshy idle wasters- the work has to get done by somebody.I sat on a jury to a similar case, both parents unemployed.
I know most of the left nowadays views unemployment as a lifestyle choice, but im a firm believer in the devil makes work of idle hands and think we will see this become ever more common as work is offshored, and migrants come to do the remaining jobs.
Edited by 12gauge on Thursday 18th November 19:17
HundredthIdiot said:
zcacogp said:
The issue of who makes the decision about issuing the licence, and how to police it (ensure that those without licences really don't have kids) are difficult, but not insurmountable.
Go on then, outline something. I would be genuinely interested in how this might work.For instance, in the case of accidental pregnancy, since that would cover all non-licenced cases ("Not my fault guv, the condom split").
Derek Smith - You've lost me; what's the relevance of the middle classes to this?
Oli.
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