Kettling

[4Q]

Next time, the Met Police just shouldn't turn up.

I mean just let the little s get on with it and fking trash London.

See how much public support they get then...

[turbobloke]

Jasandjules said:

Those who have been violent etc however should be removed by force and jailed and prosecuted.

I like that sequence particularly if they get jailed again after the prosecution

[Jasandjules]

turbobloke said:

Jasandjules said:

Those who have been violent etc however should be removed by force and jailed and prosecuted.

I like that sequence particularly if they get jailed again after the prosecution

Well yes, held in jail until brought before the mags and prosecuted................

[turbobloke]

Jasandjules said:

turbobloke said:

Jasandjules said:

Those who have been violent etc however should be removed by force and jailed and prosecuted.

I like that sequence particularly if they get jailed again after the prosecution

Well yes, held in jail until brought before the mags and prosecuted................

[NoNeed]

If the organisers of the demonstrations actually used thier brains it could be quite easily countered.

But i'm looking forward to the water cannons


ETA I'm shocked that the serial offenders that go on alot of demonstrations keep falling for it.

Edited by NoNeed on Wednesday 15th December 09:59

[paulrockliffe]

Is it just me who thinks that the term kettling should mean belting someone over the head with a kettle? Why is restricting a crowd's movement called kettling? Perhaps my vision could be a new Police tactic?

[ShadownINja]

paulrockliffe said:

Is it just me who thinks that the term kettling should mean belting someone over the head with a kettle? Why is restricting a crowd's movement called kettling? Perhaps my vision could be a new Police tactic?

I always wondered that, too.

[thinfourth2]

4Q said:

Next time, the Met Police just shouldn't turn up.

I mean just let the little s get on with it and fking trash London.

See how much public support they get then...

This is where we need some sort of e-democracy

Everyone in the country gets an e-mail the morning after the first demo.

Do you

A Want the fluffy little students do as they want

B Want the students beaten to a bloody pulp

Then depending of which answer get the most votes decides how many students get beaten up.

The government responds to those that write headlines not what the public want

[Kermit power]

You can just picture the conversation, can't you!

Bethany Shiner: "Daddy, those horrid police made me stand somewhere this afternoon because there was a riot happening! You're a human rights lawyer! Can't you do something about it? You have to do something about it! If you don't, I shall sulk and stamp my feet and go and live in a squat and become a crack we and then I'll hold my breath and I'll scream and then you'll be sorry!!!"

Daddy Shiner: "Yes, bunnykins. Whatever you say, bunnykins."

And shortly later, it becomes news...

[Jonny671]

Jasandjules said:

Jonny671 said:

Ok, so you don't have a fking clue on how to control them but seem to reckon you shouldn't be kettled. fk off.

In fairness to her she is quite right. I don't think she is likely to be an expert on crowd control and so realistically it is a bit stupid to ask for or rely on her view isn't it? I mean, if she's said "throw loads of custard at them" do you then think the police should have been popping to the supermarkets!!????


It is also fair to say that those who are not acting violently ought not to suffer any harm from the police.

Those who have been violent etc however should be removed by force and jailed and prosecuted.

Well, if she reckons its not fair to kettle them in to keep the group in one place she should surely have an alternative to it? If not, keep shut. Thats just imo.

[JulianHJ]

NoNeed said:

If the organisers of the demonstrations actually used thier brains it could be quite easily countered.

But i'm looking forward to the water cannons


ETA I'm shocked that the serial offenders that go on alot of demonstrations keep falling for it.

I saw it fail recently. A police line went in on one side, the organisers shouted 'Kettling!' and the crowd fled the other way before the second line could complete the containment the other side. The reason the containment was being put in was because missiles were being thrown, the crowd was trying to force it's way in to a council building and fireworks were being thrown. It would seem organisers have been to enough of these events to develop their own responses to police tactics. What struck me (apart from the coins, bits of banners and other objects) was that the organisers of the student protests appeared to be in there late twenties, thirties and forties, with some in their fifties, who are the same faces I've seen at myriad other protests for a wide range of causes...

[turbobloke]

Kermit power said:

You can just picture the conversation, can't you!

Bethany Shiner: "Daddy, those horrid police made me stand somewhere this afternoon because there was a riot happening! You're a human rights lawyer! Can't you do something about it? You have to do something about it! If you don't, I shall sulk and stamp my feet and go and live in a squat and become a crack we and then I'll hold my breath and I'll scream and then you'll be sorry!!!"

Daddy Shiner: "Yes, bunnykins. Whatever you say, bunnykins."

[tinman0]

AJS- said:

Dkta2989 said:

What would you suggest as an alternative?

Not sure there are any Chinese tanks in London the protestors can use.

[turbobloke]

Guam said:

tinman0 said:

AJS- said:

Dkta2989 said:

What would you suggest as an alternative?

Not sure there are any Chinese tanks in London the protestors can use.

There are a couple of good outfits in the UK that can sell you the original Russian versions

I recently met somebody who claimed to have imported lots of those for scrap i.e. old ones. He seemed to be considerably richer than Harry Enfield so must be a good line of work if true.

[Ikemi]

Guam said:

paulrockliffe said:

Is it just me who thinks that the term kettling should mean belting someone over the head with a kettle? Why is restricting a crowd's movement called kettling? Perhaps my vision could be a new Police tactic?

I am liking this posters logic

Perhaps we could fill the kettles with 911Motorsport's piss, boil them, and then launch the kettles into the crowd?

Too far, right?

[DonkeyApple]

Derek Smith said:

An interesting move here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2010/dec/14/st...

So what do you think? Will kettling be banned by the courts?

It is only a tactic and one that I feel might be able to be negated with a bit of planning.

I can see some arguments for its continued use, and for the action. But I can see some simple legislation being used to enable kettling to go on.

My understanding is that kettling is a system which is proven to protect citizens, shopkeepers and workers and policemen while only risking those in the kettle who chose to resist. As such it is very clearly a perfect solution.

Maybe it could be enhanced by putting a team of big dogs into the middle of the kettle who are trained to attack anyone who moves or makes a noise?

The police, Govt and media seem to have gone pretty OTT on a bunch of young anarchists. We've had far worse riots and protests in London without ever having this frenzy.

What is really sad out of all of this is that students used to protest about the welfare of other groups who had no one to support them.

Now, it seems they can go fk themselves they want to protest a system which means that those who can't afford it dont have to and those who can pay back in a sensible and modest way.

This is exactly what happens when you spend decades just giving money away, people lose their grip on reality and become fat and lazy and in their minds they honestly believe they should be given everything on a plate and not have to work in life.

What they need is a holiday in Cambodia.

[paul.deitch]

Was interested enough to ask a friend, a German police officer and weapons trainer about this today. Apparently it is illegal to do this in Germany after a Berlin event in 1987.

http://archiv.squat.net/berlin/reagan87/kessel.htm...

[maniac0796]

JungleJim said:

Ikemi said:

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/coppers/4od

The latest episode of Coppers features a violent demonstration between the EDL and UAF - It's interesting to see the protests/kettling tactics from the point of view of the Police. It was also quite interesting to hear a spokesperson from the EDL and UAF state how their members showed no signs of violence throughout the demonstration!

The EDL were a joke.

One group uses the very fascist tactic of trying to ban the freedom of speech of the other one, and the other abuses their freedom of speech by their general purpose.

They're both as bad as each other.

[fergywales]

paul.deitch said:

Was interested enough to ask a friend, a German police officer and weapons trainer about this today. Apparently it is illegal to do this in Germany after a Berlin event in 1987.

http://archiv.squat.net/berlin/reagan87/kessel.htm...

In an adapted format, worked on Friday didn't it?

[mrmr96]

fergywales said:

paul.deitch said:

Was interested enough to ask a friend, a German police officer and weapons trainer about this today. Apparently it is illegal to do this in Germany after a Berlin event in 1987.

http://archiv.squat.net/berlin/reagan87/kessel.htm...

In an adapted format, worked on Friday didn't it?

I didn't think Friday's crowd management was 'kettling'.

On Friday they held crowds back and then let them move forward under control. This is just a receding line.

Kettling is when you hold a crowd in, trapping them and stopping them going anywhere, including going home. It's like a prison and it sucks to be there.