The increasingly rapid demise of our Country
Discussion
Zwoelf said:
230TE said:
OK, when I was that age my mates and I used to do stupid things, like wandering around deserted building sites and climbing up the scaffolding, sneaking into the back of the local scrapyard and nicking the instruments out of Mk2 Jags etc etc.
Isn't really all that different TBH:230TE said:
But we didn't go round trying to provoke trouble with random grown-ups that we didn't know, and we didn't hang around deserted industrial estates late in the evening (mainly because our parents wouldn't let us out after six). Also we were boys, which makes a difference somehow.
We got up to most of that stuff - especially in the latter half of the summer holidays where we were all bored at home and our parents bored of us being bored. We were allowed out so long as we were in before it got dark, which in summer can be up to 10pm - and we got up to all sorts of mischief (mostly boys, but a few girls as well) that would have got us into lots of trouble with adults, had we been caught. But this was the late '80s/early '90s, so before paedos had been invented...
king criminals), back then knew that sucessful prosecution might well result in a custodial sentence and not a suspended one, but the hand wringers now say prison isnt a deterrent, im pretty sure a 3 year sentence of actually 3 years, would get most criminals attention. We've just moved from Birmingham to Sydney and noticed many differences in children and youths here. Two things struck us initially, 1. The children (and parents) are more conservative and 2. Other people actively discipline your children. It's also faintly right wing...
My wife made an interesting comment in her first few months here by musing it feels "like we're in the 50's"
Upon reflection this is probably why I'd consider the society where we live now to be far more structured and safer the Brum.
My wife made an interesting comment in her first few months here by musing it feels "like we're in the 50's"
Upon reflection this is probably why I'd consider the society where we live now to be far more structured and safer the Brum.
robm3 said:
We've just moved from Birmingham to Sydney and noticed many differences in children and youths here. Two things struck us initially, 1. The children (and parents) are more conservative and 2. Other people actively discipline your children. It's also faintly right wing...
My wife made an interesting comment in her first few months here by musing it feels "like we're in the 50's"
Upon reflection this is probably why I'd consider the society where we live now to be far more structured and safer the Brum.
At a guess, there may be the occasional tipsy Bruce getting into bother outside a club but not eating another bloke's face after a fight. As per the other thread. This unspeakable horror will doubtless be seen by the usual suspects as a cry for help.My wife made an interesting comment in her first few months here by musing it feels "like we're in the 50's"
Upon reflection this is probably why I'd consider the society where we live now to be far more structured and safer the Brum.
FFS
Anyway all the best for Sydney and a better life. Feel free to criticise what you left behind, it will annoy the right people.
turbobloke said:
robm3 said:
We've just moved from Birmingham to Sydney and noticed many differences in children and youths here. Two things struck us initially, 1. The children (and parents) are more conservative and 2. Other people actively discipline your children. It's also faintly right wing...
My wife made an interesting comment in her first few months here by musing it feels "like we're in the 50's"
Upon reflection this is probably why I'd consider the society where we live now to be far more structured and safer the Brum.
At a guess, there may be the occasional tipsy Bruce getting into bother outside a club but not eating another bloke's face after a fight. As per the other thread. This unspeakable horror will doubtless be seen by the usual suspects as a cry for help.My wife made an interesting comment in her first few months here by musing it feels "like we're in the 50's"
Upon reflection this is probably why I'd consider the society where we live now to be far more structured and safer the Brum.
FFS
Anyway all the best for Sydney and a better life. Feel free to criticise what you left behind, it will annoy the right people.
Eric Mc said:
turbobloke said:
robm3 said:
We've just moved from Birmingham to Sydney and noticed many differences in children and youths here. Two things struck us initially, 1. The children (and parents) are more conservative and 2. Other people actively discipline your children. It's also faintly right wing...
My wife made an interesting comment in her first few months here by musing it feels "like we're in the 50's"
Upon reflection this is probably why I'd consider the society where we live now to be far more structured and safer the Brum.
At a guess, there may be the occasional tipsy Bruce getting into bother outside a club but not eating another bloke's face after a fight. As per the other thread. This unspeakable horror will doubtless be seen by the usual suspects as a cry for help.My wife made an interesting comment in her first few months here by musing it feels "like we're in the 50's"
Upon reflection this is probably why I'd consider the society where we live now to be far more structured and safer the Brum.
FFS
Anyway all the best for Sydney and a better life. Feel free to criticise what you left behind, it will annoy the right people.
On Monday Eric Mc said:
I'd hate to live somewhere totally dull
It's certainly not 'totally dull' so Tripoli fits your criterion, not mine.Eric Mc said:
turbobloke said:
robm3 said:
We've just moved from Birmingham to Sydney and noticed many differences in children and youths here. Two things struck us initially, 1. The children (and parents) are more conservative and 2. Other people actively discipline your children. It's also faintly right wing...
My wife made an interesting comment in her first few months here by musing it feels "like we're in the 50's"
Upon reflection this is probably why I'd consider the society where we live now to be far more structured and safer the Brum.
At a guess, there may be the occasional tipsy Bruce getting into bother outside a club but not eating another bloke's face after a fight. As per the other thread. This unspeakable horror will doubtless be seen by the usual suspects as a cry for help.My wife made an interesting comment in her first few months here by musing it feels "like we're in the 50's"
Upon reflection this is probably why I'd consider the society where we live now to be far more structured and safer the Brum.
FFS
Anyway all the best for Sydney and a better life. Feel free to criticise what you left behind, it will annoy the right people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Cronulla_riots
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/sydney-riots-shatt...
The Australian police are quite nice I'm told, although not perhaps at their best if you disagree with them.
Derek Smith said:
I'm not so sure. The Aussie rioters are up there with them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Cronulla_riots
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/sydney-riots-shatt...
The Australian police are quite nice I'm told, although not perhaps at their best if you disagree with them.
That papers a bit gay mind, they really need to try and get themselves a reporter that is not such an out and out poofterhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Cronulla_riots
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/sydney-riots-shatt...
The Australian police are quite nice I'm told, although not perhaps at their best if you disagree with them.
"Manly Superintendent Dave Darcy said group of teens came in from out of town"
chim said:
I'm not so sure. The Aussie rioters are up there with them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Cronulla_riots
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/sydney-riots-shatt...
The Australian police are quite nice I'm told, although not perhaps at their best if you disagree with them.
Like I said, it's faintly right wing... Funny enough a major news show here, 60 Minutes, did a story on the 'English Defense League' showing it in a good light! It was very biased and right wing reporting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Cronulla_riots
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/sydney-riots-shatt...
The Australian police are quite nice I'm told, although not perhaps at their best if you disagree with them.
Completely O/T but I guess the rise of Right Wing Parties is in response to Left Wing policies and/or Islamic terrorist acts.
chim said:
"Manly Superintendent Dave Darcy said group of teens came in from out of town"
Rather odd to comment on his butchness.I'm trying to remember when the youth of this country respected their elders. Certainly not in my time. There was a certain self-congratulatory element of those who fought in WWII. I can remember being crticised for what I was wearing by some old boy who said that it wasn't what he 'fought in the war' for. One of the blokes I was with pointed out that the reason he fought was because he was conscripted.
The police have never been 'respected' by all and sundry. They've been feared of course, and for good reasons. The 'clip around th ear' could leave permanent injury. I know of one case where a prisoner was beaten to death in the cells and no one was prosecuted.
In the 60s there was an inspector who used to put half bricks in prisoners' property. The nicks he went to knew what he was doing, the lawyers did so as well and the majistrates but nobody did anything. Not much respect there.
My shift stopped a load of illegals (now they can come to this country by right) who had come from eastern Europe in the back of an artic. They spent days in horrible conditions and had gone through Italy, Germany, Belgium and France - you'd think the driver would have heard something - and the reason they endured the journey was because they believed that they would be treated fairer in Britain.
This country doesn't do everything right. There is no country that does. But it does much that suits me. One major fault is that we don't sing our own praises enough.
In the 70s I worked in a Jewish area of the East End. The Jews knew, and were grateful for, the fact that this country was the only one to increase its quota of Jews fleeing the pogram from pre-war Germany. Most other countries cut theirs, some even blocking them altogether. They were fiercly patriotic. I knew about the quota system yet, despite a fascination for modern history I had no idea of the increase.
There was a couple, he British, she Asian, who had fled the woman's home country because of sectarian violence. They had two children, one 'in arms' but no paperwork, the other about 2 years, but no paperwork for them. The woman did not have a British passport. Whilst the family had some money in this country, enough to live on and secure housing, they had no luggage. They had had to abandone everything.
Immigration at the airport got them through in a few minutes and the airport staff fed them in their canteen, and someone organised clothing for the kids.
They had left fleeing the woman's country because of stories of how difficult it was for friends in similar situations trying to get into other countries, some being returned to face beatings and worse.
There are few countries where your sexuality is of so little importance yet a few years ago homosexuality was a crime.
There are problems in this country with regards to racial prejudice, no one coming out with any degree of credibility, yet compared to many other countries we are so much better.
The Jewish community in the part of London I policed were attacked by yobs coming away from a British Movement meeting. The response from the general public was absolute horror. The police were told, in no uncertain terms, that they must stop any reoccurrence although the Jews themselves were pretty blase about it.
My wife's friend married an Italian and opened a cafe in Naples. Stories of the rampant corruption of the police and licencing officials were so outrageous that they were, to me, obviously made up. The idea that the system could be that bad was impossible to accept.
I'm not suggesting that one country is all bad and another is all good. However this coutnry has improved in many ways since I was a kid and that was a vast improvement over my father's experiences. My kids has lots more opportunites than I did and I expect their kids to have the same.
Walk around my town and you'll see 'communities' from different parts of Europe and the world. They seem to think this country is doing something right.
Derek Smith said:
chim said:
"Manly Superintendent Dave Darcy said group of teens came in from out of town"
Rather odd to comment on his butchness.Yeah, I mean, when eight young people are behaving stupidly, clearly the other 14 million people under 18 must by default be doing the same.
We'll all be dead and Britain will be no more by the end of the decade, because eight girls can't dress themselves properly.
CALM DOWN, SHEESH...
We'll all be dead and Britain will be no more by the end of the decade, because eight girls can't dress themselves properly.
CALM DOWN, SHEESH...
Derek Smith said:
Rather odd to comment on his butchness.
I'm trying to remember when the youth of this country respected their elders. Certainly not in my time. There was a certain self-congratulatory element of those who fought in WWII. I can remember being crticised for what I was wearing by some old boy who said that it wasn't what he 'fought in the war' for. One of the blokes I was with pointed out that the reason he fought was because he was conscripted.
The police have never been 'respected' by all and sundry. They've been feared of course, and for good reasons. The 'clip around th ear' could leave permanent injury. I know of one case where a prisoner was beaten to death in the cells and no one was prosecuted.
In the 60s there was an inspector who used to put half bricks in prisoners' property. The nicks he went to knew what he was doing, the lawyers did so as well and the majistrates but nobody did anything. Not much respect there.
My shift stopped a load of illegals (now they can come to this country by right) who had come from eastern Europe in the back of an artic. They spent days in horrible conditions and had gone through Italy, Germany, Belgium and France - you'd think the driver would have heard something - and the reason they endured the journey was because they believed that they would be treated fairer in Britain.
This country doesn't do everything right. There is no country that does. But it does much that suits me. One major fault is that we don't sing our own praises enough.
In the 70s I worked in a Jewish area of the East End. The Jews knew, and were grateful for, the fact that this country was the only one to increase its quota of Jews fleeing the pogram from pre-war Germany. Most other countries cut theirs, some even blocking them altogether. They were fiercly patriotic. I knew about the quota system yet, despite a fascination for modern history I had no idea of the increase.
There was a couple, he British, she Asian, who had fled the woman's home country because of sectarian violence. They had two children, one 'in arms' but no paperwork, the other about 2 years, but no paperwork for them. The woman did not have a British passport. Whilst the family had some money in this country, enough to live on and secure housing, they had no luggage. They had had to abandone everything.
Immigration at the airport got them through in a few minutes and the airport staff fed them in their canteen, and someone organised clothing for the kids.
They had left fleeing the woman's country because of stories of how difficult it was for friends in similar situations trying to get into other countries, some being returned to face beatings and worse.
There are few countries where your sexuality is of so little importance yet a few years ago homosexuality was a crime.
There are problems in this country with regards to racial prejudice, no one coming out with any degree of credibility, yet compared to many other countries we are so much better.
The Jewish community in the part of London I policed were attacked by yobs coming away from a British Movement meeting. The response from the general public was absolute horror. The police were told, in no uncertain terms, that they must stop any reoccurrence although the Jews themselves were pretty blase about it.
My wife's friend married an Italian and opened a cafe in Naples. Stories of the rampant corruption of the police and licencing officials were so outrageous that they were, to me, obviously made up. The idea that the system could be that bad was impossible to accept.
I'm not suggesting that one country is all bad and another is all good. However this coutnry has improved in many ways since I was a kid and that was a vast improvement over my father's experiences. My kids has lots more opportunites than I did and I expect their kids to have the same.
Walk around my town and you'll see 'communities' from different parts of Europe and the world. They seem to think this country is doing something right.
Knackers. I hate it when I have to agree with Derek. Its called backbone and leadership Derek and its about time the country showed some and didnt look like a cowed 3 legged dog.I'm trying to remember when the youth of this country respected their elders. Certainly not in my time. There was a certain self-congratulatory element of those who fought in WWII. I can remember being crticised for what I was wearing by some old boy who said that it wasn't what he 'fought in the war' for. One of the blokes I was with pointed out that the reason he fought was because he was conscripted.
The police have never been 'respected' by all and sundry. They've been feared of course, and for good reasons. The 'clip around th ear' could leave permanent injury. I know of one case where a prisoner was beaten to death in the cells and no one was prosecuted.
In the 60s there was an inspector who used to put half bricks in prisoners' property. The nicks he went to knew what he was doing, the lawyers did so as well and the majistrates but nobody did anything. Not much respect there.
My shift stopped a load of illegals (now they can come to this country by right) who had come from eastern Europe in the back of an artic. They spent days in horrible conditions and had gone through Italy, Germany, Belgium and France - you'd think the driver would have heard something - and the reason they endured the journey was because they believed that they would be treated fairer in Britain.
This country doesn't do everything right. There is no country that does. But it does much that suits me. One major fault is that we don't sing our own praises enough.
In the 70s I worked in a Jewish area of the East End. The Jews knew, and were grateful for, the fact that this country was the only one to increase its quota of Jews fleeing the pogram from pre-war Germany. Most other countries cut theirs, some even blocking them altogether. They were fiercly patriotic. I knew about the quota system yet, despite a fascination for modern history I had no idea of the increase.
There was a couple, he British, she Asian, who had fled the woman's home country because of sectarian violence. They had two children, one 'in arms' but no paperwork, the other about 2 years, but no paperwork for them. The woman did not have a British passport. Whilst the family had some money in this country, enough to live on and secure housing, they had no luggage. They had had to abandone everything.
Immigration at the airport got them through in a few minutes and the airport staff fed them in their canteen, and someone organised clothing for the kids.
They had left fleeing the woman's country because of stories of how difficult it was for friends in similar situations trying to get into other countries, some being returned to face beatings and worse.
There are few countries where your sexuality is of so little importance yet a few years ago homosexuality was a crime.
There are problems in this country with regards to racial prejudice, no one coming out with any degree of credibility, yet compared to many other countries we are so much better.
The Jewish community in the part of London I policed were attacked by yobs coming away from a British Movement meeting. The response from the general public was absolute horror. The police were told, in no uncertain terms, that they must stop any reoccurrence although the Jews themselves were pretty blase about it.
My wife's friend married an Italian and opened a cafe in Naples. Stories of the rampant corruption of the police and licencing officials were so outrageous that they were, to me, obviously made up. The idea that the system could be that bad was impossible to accept.
I'm not suggesting that one country is all bad and another is all good. However this coutnry has improved in many ways since I was a kid and that was a vast improvement over my father's experiences. My kids has lots more opportunites than I did and I expect their kids to have the same.
Walk around my town and you'll see 'communities' from different parts of Europe and the world. They seem to think this country is doing something right.
DJRC said:
Knackers. I hate it when I have to agree with Derek. Its called backbone and leadership Derek and its about time the country showed some and didnt look like a cowed 3 legged dog.
How many of those in Zurich?!
The UK pictured earlier.
What we need is more people with this level of backbone and strident leadership.
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