The problem with Islam.

[rich1231]

TKF said:

I'm at a loss as to why he doesn't hear their criticism too. One of life's great mysteries I suppose.

Yep a mystery.

The killer from last weeks shootings seems to be a bit of a hero to the large numbers at his funeral.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/20/copen...

No protests though.

[irocfan]

to be fair this is what it boils down to (simplistic? Yes, but true non-the-less)

[Countdown]

rich1231 said:

Yep a mystery.

The killer from last weeks shootings seems to be a bit of a hero to the large numbers at his funeral.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/20/copen...

No protests though.

Where in that link does it suggest that he's a hero?

[Countdown]

irocfan said:

to be fair this is what it boils down to (simplistic? Yes, but true non-the-less)

Very true.

[AreOut]

problem with Islam? Too fckn noisy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0lExFpSBvE

[Kawasicki]

TKF said:

I'm at a loss as to why he doesn't hear their criticism too. One of life's great mysteries I suppose.

Is it simply that being critical of the attacks might somehow indicate you are less of a Muslim?

[TKF]

Countdown said:

don4l said:

I know that the vast majority of Muslims do not support these activities. However, I am at a loss to understand why I don't hear their critisism.

Countdown said:

don4l said:

Furthermore, Muslims seem very reluctant to criticise any of their own.

There is shedloads of criticism of Muslim lunatics by other Muslims but it tends to get ignored.

http://news.sky.com/story/1298792/british-muslims-...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/muslim-leaders-worldw...

This ones quite good

http://www.downvids.net/the-daily-show-muslims-con...

Seriously, is nobody able to see this post?

I posted a similarly invisible post a while back

TKF said:

You mean like this one, or this one, or this one, or this one, or this one, or this one, or this one, or this one, or this one, or this one, or this one, or this one?

Media doesn't tend to report them because Islamophobia is much sexier and sells papers.

If you care to venture onto twitter you'll see plenty of #NotInMyName tweets.

People see what they want to see. Or in this case don't see.

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TKF said:

Countdown said:

don4l said:

I know that the vast majority of Muslims do not support these activities. However, I am at a loss to understand why I don't hear their critisism.

Countdown said:

don4l said:

Furthermore, Muslims seem very reluctant to criticise any of their own.

There is shedloads of criticism of Muslim lunatics by other Muslims but it tends to get ignored.

http://news.sky.com/story/1298792/british-muslims-...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/muslim-leaders-worldw...

This ones quite good

http://www.downvids.net/the-daily-show-muslims-con...

Seriously, is nobody able to see this post?

I posted a similarly invisible post a while back

TKF said:

You mean like this one, or this one, or this one, or this one, or this one, or this one, or this one, or this one, or this one, or this one, or this one, or this one?

Media doesn't tend to report them because Islamophobia is much sexier and sells papers.

If you care to venture onto twitter you'll see plenty of #NotInMyName tweets.

People see what they want to see. Or in this case don't see.

1. Shia muslims marching in the UK to protest about ISIS (sunni) killing shia, sufi and yezidi people in Syria and Iraq.
2. Shia muslims protesting against ISIS (as above)
3. Fair play, muslims protesting outside the Saudi embassy saying they are funding terror and extremism. No st sherlock, if i had known of this one I'd probably have joined them. Protests like this give me a bit of hope that Islam is able to integrate. I'd have felt better had they invited a few Christians or Jews mind.
4. Aiman Mazyek calls for protests against ISIS across Germanny and asks that families try to do more to prevent radicalisation, top bloke so I'll give you that one.
5.Sorry, don't subscribe to that rag.
6. This one I initially liked, hoever I withhold judgement as there are no numbers posted and only 37 protesters in the picture. 2.5 million muslims in ths USA? However I genuinely hope it is a crap picture of a much larger protest.
7. Carbon copy, same event as number 6 above, no better pictures of huge crowds.
8.Some good, some bad, I particularly liked the young lady who posted film of herself 'menstruating and defecating on the ISIS flag' but most speakers were political enemies of ISIS, one of whom spoke at an earlier rally where 4000 muslims raised a hand to approve the killing of homosexuals.
9. Like it, genuinely sounds like a small community of muslim peoples in Oklahoma who despise their religion being misused by ISIS.
10. Christian rally in Bagdhad against persecution from muslim fanatics, ISIS. Joined by 200 muslims, seriously would love to shake these people by the hand but 200, whats the muslim population in Bagdhad?
11. Good one, group of muslim protesters in Dearborn USA, not in my name type of thing. We definately need more like this. Actually prayed for the murderewd American journalist.
12. Again condemnation of the people who misinterpret religion to promote violence. Fantastic.


6/12
Most are political opponents of the mainly sunni ISIS.
Condemnations of the murders committed in the name of Islam. 1.
Keep looking though.

[Kawasicki]

Muslims in Germany protest against ISIS

http://rt.com/news/189168-german-muslims-protest-i...

[irocfan]

Kawasicki said:

Muslims in Germany protest against ISIS

http://rt.com/news/189168-german-muslims-protest-i...

interesting that RT has this as newsworthy yet out press doesn't... it's almost as if they WANTED to stir up trouble.

[Cheese Mechanic]

irocfan said:

interesting that RT has this as newsworthy yet out press doesn't... it's almost as if they WANTED to stir up trouble.

In the case of RT (I assume Russia Today?) you are, unfortunately , taking in what basically the Kremlin wants you too, and while all media is less than clean, RT is perhaps one of the much less than impartial out there.

They would deem this newsworthy as a gesture to their own muslim populations, plus of course, they (the Kremlin) are key allies of Assad, who ISIS wish to overthrow.

Reliable newsgathering can be complex, I use numerous sites, Reuters, Al Jazeera, and numerous others. France24 can be recomended to those unaware of it, has a lot of stuff Africa centred which is not often seen elsewhere.

[Countdown]

Cheese Mechanic said:

In the case of RT (I assume Russia Today?) you are, unfortunately , taking in what basically the Kremlin wants you too, and while all media is less than clean, RT is perhaps one of the much less than impartial out there.

They would deem this newsworthy as a gesture to their own muslim populations, plus of course, they (the Kremlin) are key allies of Assad, who ISIS wish to overthrow.

Reliable newsgathering can be complex, I use numerous sites, Reuters, Al Jazeera, and numerous others. France24 can be recomended to those unaware of it, has a lot of stuff Africa centred which is not often seen elsewhere.

It's also been reported by numerous other news agencies.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/isis-protests-german-musl...
http://www.dw.de/muslim-protest-in-germany-against...
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4572978,...
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/09/19/muslims-in...
http://www.goldnewsuk.com/?p=80

[Cheese Mechanic]

Countdown said:

It's also been reported by numerous other news agencies.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/isis-protests-german-musl...
http://www.dw.de/muslim-protest-in-germany-against...
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4572978,...
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/09/19/muslims-in...
http://www.goldnewsuk.com/?p=80

I wasn't doubting the story in itself. Just an observation of RT's motives. RT could be interesting prior to Ukraine, (reading between the lines)but then it went barking. Unfortunately.

[TKF]

Cheese Mechanic said:

(reading between the lines)

Sadly that's all people like you do.

[StevieBee]

TKF said:

I'm at a loss as to why he doesn't hear their criticism too. One of life's great mysteries I suppose.

Islam doesn't have any system of governance. There is no Vatican or Lambeth Palace. It has Mecca but this is simply the geographic location of its spiritual focus so there is no 'official line' as such.

I believe I'm right in saying that there's mention in the Koran that one Muslim should never speak ill of another.

There's pretty much the same in the bible. The difference is that through the combined thinking and leadership that exists in Catholic/Christian religions, interpretation has and continues to evolve and context better able to be conveyed. Islam has never had the opportunity to evolve its interpretations in the same way and is exactly as it was written 1,500 years ago which of course bears very little resemblance to life today so without that leadership, Muslims have little option but to follow the teachings in a very literal manner.

I know many Muslims and all share the same abhorrence privately towards the extremists of their faith as others do but are reluctant to do so publicly.

[irocfan]

StevieBee said:

TKF said:

I'm at a loss as to why he doesn't hear their criticism too. One of life's great mysteries I suppose.

Islam doesn't have any system of governance. There is no Vatican or Lambeth Palace. It has Mecca but this is simply the geographic location of its spiritual focus so there is no 'official line' as such.

I believe I'm right in saying that there's mention in the Koran that one Muslim should never speak ill of another.

There's pretty much the same in the bible. The difference is that through the combined thinking and leadership that exists in Catholic/Christian religions, interpretation has and continues to evolve and context better able to be conveyed. Islam has never had the opportunity to evolve its interpretations in the same way and is exactly as it was written 1,500 years ago which of course bears very little resemblance to life today so without that leadership, Muslims have little option but to follow the teachings in a very literal manner.

I know many Muslims and all share the same abhorrence privately towards the extremists of their faith as others do but are reluctant to do so publicly.

thank you for that post dude - nicely put and a different perspective for us kuffirs

[jogon]

Interesting article in the telegraph today on how Baroness Warsi used her position to give Whitehall jobs to people linked with Islamic groups some with close ties to organistations banned in the USA and UAE.

Along with Clegg, Warsi and her moles have set up a “cross-Government working group on anti-Muslim hatred”.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/e...

Is there a cross-Government working group on anti-semitism given the they are 4 times more likely to receive abuse than Muslims?

[Cheese Mechanic]

TKF said:

Sadly that's all people like you do.

People like what exactly?

[Kawasicki]

Cheese Mechanic said:

In the case of RT (I assume Russia Today?) you are, unfortunately , taking in what basically the Kremlin wants you too, and while all media is less than clean, RT is perhaps one of the much less than impartial out there.

I agree with you about RT, that's why I watch it...I want to see what the mild Russian propaganda machine is pumping out. I don't see the BBC as impartial or balanced either, though I do think they are better. I agree with others, multiple sources, make your own mind up.

[4v6]

In response to the thread name, The problem with islam is a simple one:

Its bks. Just like all other religions.

Furthermore its totally incompatible with a free society for reasons that are glaringly obvious.