Who is going to continue to wear a mask after 21st June?
Discussion
GSE said:
TheJimi said:
I find it desperately sad that so many people find the wearing of masks to be "no big deal"
The wearing of masks as mandated, is hugely damaging to our social fabric. Seeing lips and facial expressions is a large and important part of how we communicate and interact with others.
We've lost sight of that - quite literally.
I agree, I find it sad too. The wearing of masks as mandated, is hugely damaging to our social fabric. Seeing lips and facial expressions is a large and important part of how we communicate and interact with others.
We've lost sight of that - quite literally.
As humans, we have evolved over millions of years to use facial expression to communicate, yet some people seem happy to render it obsolete overnight by the enforced wearing of masks.
Funk said:
Combinations of distancing, mask-wearing and improved hygiene are also responsible for the fact that there's been almost no reported cases of flu for months: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/flu-case...
Question: if masks and social distancing are responsible for the near absence of flu why did it disappear pretty much simultaneously from different countries each with different rules/guidelines and measures implemented at different times. For example Swedish uptake on masks and social distancing is very low and they never had a lockdown in Japan - but it has still flatlined. Various US states have not had mask mandates.
GSE said:
semisane said:
Turn on the telly and look at any news channel with an item on Covid, anywhere in the world (with a few exceptions), and you will see people wearing masks.
The vast majority are wearing them outside too.
I know, and doesn't it look sThe vast majority are wearing them outside too.
t!anonymous said:
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I gave up watching main stream media late last summer, and can highly recommend it as a means to getting on with your life, without living in fear. I no longer need to watch ANY of the BBC or ITV news output, there are plently of other sources to get news, so they can go and f
k themselves 
Who else can we add to the list? Fiona Bruce, Kay Burghley?
blade runner said:
Funk said:
So to all those saying, 'Flu kills 'x' per year though...' when trying to downplay Covid - it shows that with some consideration for others it's possible to pretty much entirely prevent THOSE deaths too:
"According to Christina Pagel, a professor of operational research at University College London: “There’s been no flu season anywhere in the world this year, including the UK,” she told The Independent. “Flu is one of the big reasons that the NHS struggles every winter. But what I think is really interesting is that people say we live with flu deaths every year and kind of assumed they were unavoidable. Yet clearly they’re not. “If we wanted to, we’ve shown we can reduce flu deaths to pretty much zero. I don’t think that the damage we have done through lockdown is anything that anyone would support to prevent flu, but it does bring into question the idea of whether there is anything that we can do.”
Isn't it more likely that Covid is just that bit better than flu at killing vulnerable people this year? It's not that we've eliminated flu, just that all the people that would have died from flu this year have been picked off by Covid instead. If all the interventions have been so effective at reducing flu deaths to practically zero, then why have they had such limited impact on Covid?"According to Christina Pagel, a professor of operational research at University College London: “There’s been no flu season anywhere in the world this year, including the UK,” she told The Independent. “Flu is one of the big reasons that the NHS struggles every winter. But what I think is really interesting is that people say we live with flu deaths every year and kind of assumed they were unavoidable. Yet clearly they’re not. “If we wanted to, we’ve shown we can reduce flu deaths to pretty much zero. I don’t think that the damage we have done through lockdown is anything that anyone would support to prevent flu, but it does bring into question the idea of whether there is anything that we can do.”
All the lockdowns, social distancing, sanitizing, masks etc. - how can they be so effective for the flu virus but not for Covid when they are both similar viruses, spread in presumably similar ways? And if not, then by association all the interventions we have made so far presumably are not well suited to dealing with how Covid actually spreads through the population. Which then implies we don't actually understand very well how Covid spreads at all - despite being over a year into this now.
Mark Benson said:
I'll start by saying that I do wear a mask in shops and elsewhere as a courtesy, I'm not one of 'those types'....
...however...
Masks don't really do much to stop viruses, it's a basic misunderstanding to think that because they trap droplets they're effective. Because those droplets are held by the mask in front of the mouth and nose where they become nebulised with each breath to produce aerosols which pass through the mask and can remain airborne for quite a long time.
As someone said above, NICE don't mandate the wearing of masks in theatres - An interesting paper on mask wearing in theatre here (note there is no mention of surgical masks being worn to prevent viral spread, it's all about the bacteria...)
Most surgeons do wear masks, but for many it's a case that their patients expect it and the evidence to say they provide NO protection (against bacteria) is absent also so you may as well (the precautionary priciple), though there are papers (such as this one, abstract 'No masks were worn in one operating theatre for 6 months. There was no increase in the incidence of wound infection') that suggest they may be more of a placebo, than a necessity.
Now to the article you cite. Always dangerous using the press for medical reference, journalists seldom understand and often misrepresent those they quote.
But note how the professor mentions flu deaths, not flu itself. People still catch flu, it's just the this year it seems, few have died from it.
The article appears to suggest these flu deaths have been eradicated because of the measures we've been using against Covid. That's quite an assumption given we've registered around 130,000 deaths against a pandemic disease of the respiratory tract - it's equally likely that those who would have been seen off by flu (the elderly and weakened) have either been locked away at home 'shielding' or already been seen off during 2020.
It's easy to jump to conclusions about Covid - we all want to see the back of it and we all want to be safe, but the government need to make decisions based on evidence and medical efficacy, not because their go-to 'experts' and behavioural scientists tell them to.
In the politest possible way I completely disagree with you about your comments on masks not reducing transmission; arguing against them runs contrary to the broader scientific consensus worldwide - I know which I'll take my advice from....however...
Masks don't really do much to stop viruses, it's a basic misunderstanding to think that because they trap droplets they're effective. Because those droplets are held by the mask in front of the mouth and nose where they become nebulised with each breath to produce aerosols which pass through the mask and can remain airborne for quite a long time.
As someone said above, NICE don't mandate the wearing of masks in theatres - An interesting paper on mask wearing in theatre here (note there is no mention of surgical masks being worn to prevent viral spread, it's all about the bacteria...)
Most surgeons do wear masks, but for many it's a case that their patients expect it and the evidence to say they provide NO protection (against bacteria) is absent also so you may as well (the precautionary priciple), though there are papers (such as this one, abstract 'No masks were worn in one operating theatre for 6 months. There was no increase in the incidence of wound infection') that suggest they may be more of a placebo, than a necessity.
Now to the article you cite. Always dangerous using the press for medical reference, journalists seldom understand and often misrepresent those they quote.
But note how the professor mentions flu deaths, not flu itself. People still catch flu, it's just the this year it seems, few have died from it.
The article appears to suggest these flu deaths have been eradicated because of the measures we've been using against Covid. That's quite an assumption given we've registered around 130,000 deaths against a pandemic disease of the respiratory tract - it's equally likely that those who would have been seen off by flu (the elderly and weakened) have either been locked away at home 'shielding' or already been seen off during 2020.
It's easy to jump to conclusions about Covid - we all want to see the back of it and we all want to be safe, but the government need to make decisions based on evidence and medical efficacy, not because their go-to 'experts' and behavioural scientists tell them to.
Regarding 'using the press for medical reference' - the article is citing PHE (https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/national-flu-and-covid-19-surveillance-reports). If you think it's untrue please by all means provide evidence to the contrary.
You pick out about 'deaths' vs. cases but PHE are cited in the article saying:
"Thousands of swab samples are processed and analysed by scientists at Public Health England (PHE) every week to survey the prevalence of different respiratory diseases in the population. But of the 685,243 samples that have been reviewed at PHE’s laboratories since the first week of January, not a single one has tested positive for influenza. In the week up to 31 December 2020, just one case of flu was confirmed by laboratory analysis."
Terminator X said:
None?
I can't find anything more recent:
"Of all death occurrences between January and August 2020, there were 48,168 deaths due to the coronavirus (COVID-19) compared with 13,619 deaths due to pneumonia and 394 deaths due to influenza."
From here:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit...
TX.
I've no doubt the data is accurate for the dates you state - January to August 2020. There may well have been some more between August and December. However over the winter period where flu is most prevalent, there was a single case (not death) detected in the week up to 31st Dec and not one case detected at all in the first seven weeks of this year according to PHE.I can't find anything more recent:
"Of all death occurrences between January and August 2020, there were 48,168 deaths due to the coronavirus (COVID-19) compared with 13,619 deaths due to pneumonia and 394 deaths due to influenza."
From here:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit...
TX.
The actions we've taken to mitigate Covid are working and by happy coincidence appear to have pretty much eradicated the flu this year too.
And before the daft comments saying then surely I must be advocating 'lockdowns to prevent flu', I'm not in any way suggesting that. I wouldn't be surprised if the lockdown and preventing intermingling in large groups has had the most significant impact on reduction and clearly we can't do that to stave off the flu.
However what I am saying is that if precautions such as mask-wearing and sanitisation can dramatically reduce flu deaths, why wouldn't we do it? If I recall there are around 17-20,000 deaths a year from flu - even halving it would be a great achievement.
Edited by Funk on Friday 5th March 17:59
mike80 said:
PartsMonkey said:
B) I'm driving a customers car. I don't know about you but most of my customers would prefer it if their car didn't have a coating of Covid on it.
If you've got Covid, why are you driving other peoples cars at all?Promised Land said:
Can you link where people have been fined for displaying a smile in public please.
Well no, not yet. But if left unchecked, and the lemmings allow mask wearing in public to be required by law, it could happen, no? I don't want that at all, it must be resisted. I want to live life as a normal human being.
Funk said:
blade runner said:
Funk said:
So to all those saying, 'Flu kills 'x' per year though...' when trying to downplay Covid - it shows that with some consideration for others it's possible to pretty much entirely prevent THOSE deaths too:
"According to Christina Pagel, a professor of operational research at University College London: “There’s been no flu season anywhere in the world this year, including the UK,” she told The Independent. “Flu is one of the big reasons that the NHS struggles every winter. But what I think is really interesting is that people say we live with flu deaths every year and kind of assumed they were unavoidable. Yet clearly they’re not. “If we wanted to, we’ve shown we can reduce flu deaths to pretty much zero. I don’t think that the damage we have done through lockdown is anything that anyone would support to prevent flu, but it does bring into question the idea of whether there is anything that we can do.”
Isn't it more likely that Covid is just that bit better than flu at killing vulnerable people this year? It's not that we've eliminated flu, just that all the people that would have died from flu this year have been picked off by Covid instead. If all the interventions have been so effective at reducing flu deaths to practically zero, then why have they had such limited impact on Covid?"According to Christina Pagel, a professor of operational research at University College London: “There’s been no flu season anywhere in the world this year, including the UK,” she told The Independent. “Flu is one of the big reasons that the NHS struggles every winter. But what I think is really interesting is that people say we live with flu deaths every year and kind of assumed they were unavoidable. Yet clearly they’re not. “If we wanted to, we’ve shown we can reduce flu deaths to pretty much zero. I don’t think that the damage we have done through lockdown is anything that anyone would support to prevent flu, but it does bring into question the idea of whether there is anything that we can do.”
All the lockdowns, social distancing, sanitizing, masks etc. - how can they be so effective for the flu virus but not for Covid when they are both similar viruses, spread in presumably similar ways? And if not, then by association all the interventions we have made so far presumably are not well suited to dealing with how Covid actually spreads through the population. Which then implies we don't actually understand very well how Covid spreads at all - despite being over a year into this now.
Mark Benson said:
I'll start by saying that I do wear a mask in shops and elsewhere as a courtesy, I'm not one of 'those types'....
...however...
Masks don't really do much to stop viruses, it's a basic misunderstanding to think that because they trap droplets they're effective. Because those droplets are held by the mask in front of the mouth and nose where they become nebulised with each breath to produce aerosols which pass through the mask and can remain airborne for quite a long time.
As someone said above, NICE don't mandate the wearing of masks in theatres - An interesting paper on mask wearing in theatre here (note there is no mention of surgical masks being worn to prevent viral spread, it's all about the bacteria...)
Most surgeons do wear masks, but for many it's a case that their patients expect it and the evidence to say they provide NO protection (against bacteria) is absent also so you may as well (the precautionary priciple), though there are papers (such as this one, abstract 'No masks were worn in one operating theatre for 6 months. There was no increase in the incidence of wound infection') that suggest they may be more of a placebo, than a necessity.
Now to the article you cite. Always dangerous using the press for medical reference, journalists seldom understand and often misrepresent those they quote.
But note how the professor mentions flu deaths, not flu itself. People still catch flu, it's just the this year it seems, few have died from it.
The article appears to suggest these flu deaths have been eradicated because of the measures we've been using against Covid. That's quite an assumption given we've registered around 130,000 deaths against a pandemic disease of the respiratory tract - it's equally likely that those who would have been seen off by flu (the elderly and weakened) have either been locked away at home 'shielding' or already been seen off during 2020.
It's easy to jump to conclusions about Covid - we all want to see the back of it and we all want to be safe, but the government need to make decisions based on evidence and medical efficacy, not because their go-to 'experts' and behavioural scientists tell them to.
In the politest possible way I completely disagree with you about your comments on masks not reducing transmission; arguing against them runs contrary to the broader scientific consensus worldwide - I know which I'll take my advice from....however...
Masks don't really do much to stop viruses, it's a basic misunderstanding to think that because they trap droplets they're effective. Because those droplets are held by the mask in front of the mouth and nose where they become nebulised with each breath to produce aerosols which pass through the mask and can remain airborne for quite a long time.
As someone said above, NICE don't mandate the wearing of masks in theatres - An interesting paper on mask wearing in theatre here (note there is no mention of surgical masks being worn to prevent viral spread, it's all about the bacteria...)
Most surgeons do wear masks, but for many it's a case that their patients expect it and the evidence to say they provide NO protection (against bacteria) is absent also so you may as well (the precautionary priciple), though there are papers (such as this one, abstract 'No masks were worn in one operating theatre for 6 months. There was no increase in the incidence of wound infection') that suggest they may be more of a placebo, than a necessity.
Now to the article you cite. Always dangerous using the press for medical reference, journalists seldom understand and often misrepresent those they quote.
But note how the professor mentions flu deaths, not flu itself. People still catch flu, it's just the this year it seems, few have died from it.
The article appears to suggest these flu deaths have been eradicated because of the measures we've been using against Covid. That's quite an assumption given we've registered around 130,000 deaths against a pandemic disease of the respiratory tract - it's equally likely that those who would have been seen off by flu (the elderly and weakened) have either been locked away at home 'shielding' or already been seen off during 2020.
It's easy to jump to conclusions about Covid - we all want to see the back of it and we all want to be safe, but the government need to make decisions based on evidence and medical efficacy, not because their go-to 'experts' and behavioural scientists tell them to.
Regarding 'using the press for medical reference' - the article is citing PHE (https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/national-flu-and-covid-19-surveillance-reports). If you think it's untrue please by all means provide evidence to the contrary.
You pick out about 'deaths' vs. cases but PHE are cited in the article saying:
"Thousands of swab samples are processed and analysed by scientists at Public Health England (PHE) every week to survey the prevalence of different respiratory diseases in the population. But of the 685,243 samples that have been reviewed at PHE’s laboratories since the first week of January, not a single one has tested positive for influenza. In the week up to 31 December 2020, just one case of flu was confirmed by laboratory analysis."
Terminator X said:
None?
I can't find anything more recent:
"Of all death occurrences between January and August 2020, there were 48,168 deaths due to the coronavirus (COVID-19) compared with 13,619 deaths due to pneumonia and 394 deaths due to influenza."
From here:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit...
TX.
I've no doubt the data is accurate for the dates you state - January to August 2020. There may well have been some more between August and December. However over the winter period where flu is most prevalent, there was a single case (not death) detected in the week up to 31st Dec and not one case detected at all in the first seven weeks of this year according to PHE.I can't find anything more recent:
"Of all death occurrences between January and August 2020, there were 48,168 deaths due to the coronavirus (COVID-19) compared with 13,619 deaths due to pneumonia and 394 deaths due to influenza."
From here:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit...
TX.
The actions we've taken to mitigate Covid are working and by happy coincidence appear to have pretty much eradicated the flu this year too.
And before the daft comments saying then surely I must be advocating 'lockdowns to prevent flu', I'm not in any way suggesting that. I wouldn't be surprised if the lockdown and preventing intermingling in large groups has had the most significant impact on reduction and clearly we can't do that to stave off the flu.
However what I am saying is that if precautions such as mask-wearing and sanitisation can dramatically reduce flu deaths, why wouldn't we do it? If I recall there are around 17-20,000 deaths a year from flu - even halving it would be a great achievement.
Edited by Funk on Friday 5th March 17:59
Regarding your last point, there are many ways we could extend lives, but wearing a mask for the rest of our lives so that old people can live another 6 months should not be one of them.
Derek Smith said:
While your experiences and observations are valuable, I still think I'll follow what the scientists suggest.
There is no evidence to suggest, apart from anecdotes, that wearing masks does more harm than good.
These ones? There is no evidence to suggest, apart from anecdotes, that wearing masks does more harm than good.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/do-masks-stop-...
Or only those scientists who agree with your view?
And what about this?
https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/12/cdc-study-fin...
Funk said:
greygoose said:
Over over under steer said:
Some odd people here seemingly virtuously stating they have never wore one - odd.
I’ll stop when I’m told to stop for sure, but I’ve understood the reasons and the benefits of wearing one. Older people and immunocompromised should consider continuing to wear them in busy areas, but completely optional.
They see themselves as heroes who are sticking it to the government, whereas they are more like Boris boasting about shaking hands with all and sundry before he was carted off to hospital.I’ll stop when I’m told to stop for sure, but I’ve understood the reasons and the benefits of wearing one. Older people and immunocompromised should consider continuing to wear them in busy areas, but completely optional.
Edited by Funk on Friday 5th March 14:05
What's odd is I'm guessing most of the people on here have reasonably successful careers and are more mature so are they like this at work too? Telling your line manager to f
k off if he asks you to do something beneath your pay grade?One of my wife's best friends is Japanese and lives in Tokyo. She says over there almost everyone wears a mask if they get a cold or similar to try and prevent passing it on to anyone else. Just a sign of their courtesy I suppose.
Too unprofessional but I'd love to post a video of someone you'd all know speaking and do a slo-mo edit of the occasional saliva coming out on their plosives (ie certain types of words). Frankly I'd rather they hit the back of their mask than anyone/anything else - which is why they wear a mask off camera...
I see no need for conjecture or rebellion here as I know that it's completely normal that people spit a bit when they speak - especially Ken Dodd and Alan Carr and me saying LlanfairPwllGetc after a couple of beers and a friendly foot from your face LOL Snuggle up!
It's about protecting others rather than yourself and i'm happy to do it even after my 2nd jab... Pick your battles...team...
I see no need for conjecture or rebellion here as I know that it's completely normal that people spit a bit when they speak - especially Ken Dodd and Alan Carr and me saying LlanfairPwllGetc after a couple of beers and a friendly foot from your face LOL
Snuggle up!It's about protecting others rather than yourself and i'm happy to do it even after my 2nd jab... Pick your battles...team...
BigMon said:
It's something I find strange too. Doubtless they think of themselves as some type of flint eyed granite jawed rebel when the reality is they come across as, at best, something like Harry Enfield's Kevin the teenager.
What's odd is I'm guessing most of the people on here have reasonably successful careers and are more mature so are they like this at work too? Telling your line manager to fk off if he asks you to do something beneath your pay grade?
One of my wife's best friends is Japanese and lives in Tokyo. She says over there almost everyone wears a mask if they get a cold or similar to try and prevent passing it on to anyone else. Just a sign of their courtesy I suppose.
I quite enjoy the loony posts. Where else other than on PH can I be told by postmen and cleaners that I'm a sheep and they know more than epidemiologists because they googled a story on zerohedge?What's odd is I'm guessing most of the people on here have reasonably successful careers and are more mature so are they like this at work too? Telling your line manager to f
k off if he asks you to do something beneath your pay grade?One of my wife's best friends is Japanese and lives in Tokyo. She says over there almost everyone wears a mask if they get a cold or similar to try and prevent passing it on to anyone else. Just a sign of their courtesy I suppose.
Truly enlightening.
Tankrizzo said:
BigMon said:
It's something I find strange too. Doubtless they think of themselves as some type of flint eyed granite jawed rebel when the reality is they come across as, at best, something like Harry Enfield's Kevin the teenager.
What's odd is I'm guessing most of the people on here have reasonably successful careers and are more mature so are they like this at work too? Telling your line manager to fk off if he asks you to do something beneath your pay grade?
One of my wife's best friends is Japanese and lives in Tokyo. She says over there almost everyone wears a mask if they get a cold or similar to try and prevent passing it on to anyone else. Just a sign of their courtesy I suppose.
I quite enjoy the loony posts. Where else other than on PH can I be told by postmen and cleaners that I'm a sheep and they know more than epidemiologists because they googled a story on zerohedge?What's odd is I'm guessing most of the people on here have reasonably successful careers and are more mature so are they like this at work too? Telling your line manager to f
k off if he asks you to do something beneath your pay grade?One of my wife's best friends is Japanese and lives in Tokyo. She says over there almost everyone wears a mask if they get a cold or similar to try and prevent passing it on to anyone else. Just a sign of their courtesy I suppose.
Truly enlightening.
In answer to the above love in.
I don’t wear a mask for these reasons:
- There is extremely scant evidence they do anything. Our CMO himself said so, and I have never seen any data where masks were bought in and case numbers went down. It is near pointless theatre.
- Covid is not dangerous to the vast, vast majority of people. If I actually thought I could realistically hurt someone by walking past them in a shop I would be more inclined to wear one, but I don’t believe that because it mainly kills 80+ year olds who pick it up in hospital.
- Asymptomatic transmission is massively overstated. If I was coughing and spluttering everywhere then I would stay at home. But I’m not, I feel fine, making it a one in a billion chance I’ll infect someone who then becomes seriously ill.
- I disagree with the whole response to Covid and how our economy and way of life has been sacrificed for it. Wearing a mask signals approval for the whole charade and is one of the few opportunities in our control to stick two fingers up to the whole thing as a matter of principal.
- The government and the virtue signallers have no moral authority to drag me into this ridiculous Simon Says game of ever changing pointless restrictions. They are welcome to dish out all of the advice they want, and people can take whatever precautions they want, but to tell me I cannot see family, walk more than X miles from my house or indeed have to pointlessly cover my face goes beyond what is reasonable.
No need to respond to these as I’m sure people will disagree, but it’s an insight into the mindset of an anti mask type!
I don’t wear a mask for these reasons:
- There is extremely scant evidence they do anything. Our CMO himself said so, and I have never seen any data where masks were bought in and case numbers went down. It is near pointless theatre.
- Covid is not dangerous to the vast, vast majority of people. If I actually thought I could realistically hurt someone by walking past them in a shop I would be more inclined to wear one, but I don’t believe that because it mainly kills 80+ year olds who pick it up in hospital.
- Asymptomatic transmission is massively overstated. If I was coughing and spluttering everywhere then I would stay at home. But I’m not, I feel fine, making it a one in a billion chance I’ll infect someone who then becomes seriously ill.
- I disagree with the whole response to Covid and how our economy and way of life has been sacrificed for it. Wearing a mask signals approval for the whole charade and is one of the few opportunities in our control to stick two fingers up to the whole thing as a matter of principal.
- The government and the virtue signallers have no moral authority to drag me into this ridiculous Simon Says game of ever changing pointless restrictions. They are welcome to dish out all of the advice they want, and people can take whatever precautions they want, but to tell me I cannot see family, walk more than X miles from my house or indeed have to pointlessly cover my face goes beyond what is reasonable.
No need to respond to these as I’m sure people will disagree, but it’s an insight into the mindset of an anti mask type!
Edited by dmahon on Friday 5th March 20:16
PartsMonkey said:
mike80 said:
PartsMonkey said:
B) I'm driving a customers car. I don't know about you but most of my customers would prefer it if their car didn't have a coating of Covid on it.
If you've got Covid, why are you driving other peoples cars at all?king grates my gears that people think its acceptable to leave used masks on gearstick, mirrors, indicator stalks. I cant wait for the day when they aren't mandated so I can burn the fking things. Ive refused 4 mots in the last 2 weeks because of the conditions of the interior including used mask. What comes out of peoples mouths is far better than the crap they leave after them.
dmahon said:
In answer to the above love in.
I don’t wear a mask for these reasons:
- There is extremely scant evidence they do anything. Our CMO himself said so, and I have never seen any data where masks were bought in and case numbers went down. It is near pointless theatre.
- Covid is not dangerous to the vast, vast majority of people. If I actually thought I could realistically hurt someone by walking past them in a shop I would be more inclined to wear one, but I don’t believe that because it mainly kills 80+ year olds who pick it up in hospital.
- Asymptomatic transmission is massively overstated. If I was coughing and spluttering everywhere then I would stay at home. But I’m not, I feel fine, making it a one in a billion chance I’ll infect someone who then becomes seriously ill.
- I disagree with the whole response to Covid and how our economy and way of life has been sacrificed for it. Wearing a mask signals approval for the whole charade and is one of the few opportunities in our control to stick two fingers up to the whole thing as a matter of principal.
- The government and the virtue signallers have no moral authority to drag me into this ridiculous Simon Says game of ever changing pointless restrictions. They are welcome to dish out all of the advice they want, and people can take whatever precautions they want, but to tell me I cannot see family, walk more than X miles from my house or indeed have to pointlessly cover my face goes beyond what is reasonable.
No need to respond to these as I’m sure people will disagree, but it’s an insight into the mindset of an anti mask type!
Well I obviously don't agree with some of your points but that's well written and I do agree with some of it and can see your point of view. I don’t wear a mask for these reasons:
- There is extremely scant evidence they do anything. Our CMO himself said so, and I have never seen any data where masks were bought in and case numbers went down. It is near pointless theatre.
- Covid is not dangerous to the vast, vast majority of people. If I actually thought I could realistically hurt someone by walking past them in a shop I would be more inclined to wear one, but I don’t believe that because it mainly kills 80+ year olds who pick it up in hospital.
- Asymptomatic transmission is massively overstated. If I was coughing and spluttering everywhere then I would stay at home. But I’m not, I feel fine, making it a one in a billion chance I’ll infect someone who then becomes seriously ill.
- I disagree with the whole response to Covid and how our economy and way of life has been sacrificed for it. Wearing a mask signals approval for the whole charade and is one of the few opportunities in our control to stick two fingers up to the whole thing as a matter of principal.
- The government and the virtue signallers have no moral authority to drag me into this ridiculous Simon Says game of ever changing pointless restrictions. They are welcome to dish out all of the advice they want, and people can take whatever precautions they want, but to tell me I cannot see family, walk more than X miles from my house or indeed have to pointlessly cover my face goes beyond what is reasonable.
No need to respond to these as I’m sure people will disagree, but it’s an insight into the mindset of an anti mask type!
Edited by dmahon on Friday 5th March 20:16
I had to stop at a red light, in my car, today.
Traffic lights are an infringement on my civil Liberty, and for what? To stop a highly unlikely accident taking place, and an even more unlikely loss of life? We are all going to die anyway, so WTF! It inconvenienced me, by taking 2 mins away from my life, when I could have been moving on with my life.
It’s the thin end of the wedge, and I won’t be forced into a game of never ending restrictions!
Traffic lights are an infringement on my civil Liberty, and for what? To stop a highly unlikely accident taking place, and an even more unlikely loss of life? We are all going to die anyway, so WTF! It inconvenienced me, by taking 2 mins away from my life, when I could have been moving on with my life.
It’s the thin end of the wedge, and I won’t be forced into a game of never ending restrictions!
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