Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 12

[TheJimi]

irc said:

It is a great day. Green Stazi gone. Sun shining. Stroll down Byres Road. Pint and pub lunch in Tennents.
Life is good.

Tennent's

It's a good perch there, to people watch.

[sherman]

alangla said:

sherman said:

I dont think even Forbes can reserect the SNP from the inevitable infighting/splits and collapse to anything resembling a competent government in time for the next elections.

Given the way their polling numbers have inexplicably held up despite all the incompetence, police involvement and other scandals, I wouldn’t be so sure. If an election was held tomorrow, the SNP would almost certainly be the largest party and Yousaf would probably leading a minority group not that much smaller than his current one.

Yes but it wont be tommorow.

Humza is likely to get the boot in the not distant future.
Forbes if she gets elected will clean house of the grifters in the cabinet which they wont be happy about.
They will either leave the party or create a splinter group in the party a bit like the conservatives have just now in westminster.
I also think that Angus Robertson is a likely challenger for the leadership which could split tge party too.

[cuprabob]

sherman said:

Humza is likely to get the boot in the not distant future.

I think they'll do everything to keep him until the election with the new leader taking over the next day.

[sherman]

cuprabob said:

sherman said:

Humza is likely to get the boot in the not distant future.

I think they'll do everything to keep him until the election with the new leader taking over the next day.

Not if he loses the No Confidence vote next week. His position is untenable in parliment then. He will be booted to the back benches.
The SNP will then need all the time they can get to choose a new leader and build back up in time for the General Election which is less than a year away.

[alangla]

sherman said:

Not if he loses the No Confidence vote next week. His position is untenable in parliment then. He will be booted to the back benches.
The SNP will then need all the time they can get to choose a new leader and build back up in time for the General Election which is less than a year away.

I suspect many in the party will have given up on the General Election, other than it being a useful stick to beat Yousaf with when Starmer takes most of the central belt seats. The main concentration will probably be the 2026 Holyrood election.

[halo34]

I have no hope of significant change - it doesn't even cheer me up that they are in this position. Why - because people like this are so blinded to their own beliefs that it doesn't occur to them they could be in the wrong.

[hidetheelephants]

Caretaker time; they'll drag one of the auld yins out of the back bench and let them try and pick the dog turd up by the clean end and limp to the election. Swinney, Grahame or perhaps Ewing.

[Janluke]

Not a bad day to be a Yoon

[sherman]

hidetheelephants said:

Caretaker time; they'll drag one of the auld yins out of the back bench and let them try and pick the dog turd up by the clean end and limp to the election. Swinney, Grahame or perhaps Ewing.

Angus Robertson.
Its the reason he went to Holyrood after losing his Westminster seat.
Continuity candidate. Anyone else will change too much.


Swinneys too close to Sturgeon just now.
Ewing has no wish to be in charge.

[irc]

Roderick Spode said:

Looks like Dougie Ross has lodged his VONC. But It's for Yousless as FM, not the wider Scottish Government. So, Yousless gets binned, the SNP merely 'elect' Kate Forbes, and continue unchanged as a minority administration.

This assumes the Greens would abstain in a VONC but then support the next SNP nomination. If there is an election for FM there is nothing to stop the Yoon parties agreeing a candidate.

That said with the next Holyrood election not far away it is a bad time to take ownership of the mess the SNP have made of the entire country.

If a new govt is going to take hard decision to unwind the SNP mess much better to be doing it at the start of a 5 year term than with the election looming.

[is-uk]

The Telegraph are reporting that the Greens have confirmed that they will vote with the Conservatives, Labour and the Lib Dem's against Humza and that his fate now lies in the hands of Alba MSP Ash Reegan. Some symbolic poetic justice about to be served? Wings is stating that under the Scotland Act 1998 there is no requirement for a FM who loses a vote of no confidence to step down. It may make Humza look daft for not doing so but he is hardly shy of being in that position as we all know. It looks like Douglas Ross has missed the opportunity to bring down the SNP government by filing the wrong motion.

https://wingsoverscotland.com/fanny-dancing/

Edited by is-uk on Thursday 25th April 17:36

[sherman]

irc said:

Roderick Spode said:

Looks like Dougie Ross has lodged his VONC. But It's for Yousless as FM, not the wider Scottish Government. So, Yousless gets binned, the SNP merely 'elect' Kate Forbes, and continue unchanged as a minority administration.

This assumesthe Greens wouldabstain in a VONC but then support the next SNP nomination. If there is an election for FM there is nothing to stop the Yoon parties agreeing a candidate.

That said with the next Holyrood election not far away it is a bad time to take ownership of the mess the SNP have made of the entire country.

Greens are ragin enough to vote against Humza rather than abstain.
Humzas finished.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/humza-yousaf...

[Snow and Rocks]

If Humza does go which seems almost certain, it seems pretty unlikely that the greens will support Kate Forbes as his replacement either.

[colin79666]

The SNP like to snipe at the Conservatives record in Westminster. Today just proves it works both ways, any party too long in power ends up like this. Time for elections both north and south!

[hutchst]

hidetheelephants said:

Just letting him soak up all the Branchform bad news, then whoever's daft enough to want the job will appear as the messiah.

She's not the Messiah, she's a very naughty girl.

[Evercross]

is-uk said:

It looks like Douglas Ross has missed the opportunity to bring down the SNP government by filing the wrong motion.

Not sure sure he has (filed the wrong motion that is). Giving Humza a kicking while keeping the SNP on life support until the General Election is probably a smart move.

Snow and Rocks said:

If Humza does go which seems almost certain, it seems pretty unlikely that the greens will support Kate Forbes as his replacement either.

Exactly. The SNP struggled to elect a leader last time around because the choice of eventual winner still needs to be passed by the Shortbread senate. The 'issues' surrounding Forbes have not gone away, plus whoever takes over still has to deal with the ongoing stink of Branchform.

The SNP struggled to get candidates last time. Who is going to put themselves forward that is (a) going to get successfully elected as FM and (b) going to be able to put clear air between themselves and the fallout from Sturgeon and Murrell.

I can't think of anyone. The only one stupid enough to try might be Flynn but currently he isn't eligible, so the SNP are f'kd for a replacement.

Plus, there is no requirement for Humza to resign anyway if he does lose the motion, so he either limps on as a lame duck or suffers the ignominy of being ousted by his own party followed by Holyrood then voting down a string of replacements. Win win for the opposition.

Ross played a blinder IMO.

Edited by Evercross on Thursday 25th April 18:01

[sherman]

Humzas got to go plead with the one person he really doesnt want to now to save his job.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24279113.alex-...

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[tim0409]

Wings are citing a reliable source suggesting that Reagan is minded to support Yousaf in next week’s vote.

Looks like things are going to get very interesting.

[Rick_1138]

tim0409 said:

Wings are citing a reliable source suggesting that Reagan is minded to support Yousaf in next week’s vote.

Looks like things are going to get very interesting.

FFS they're all stes, it'll never end till they're dragged out.

[sherman]

Rick_1138 said:

tim0409 said:

Wings are citing a reliable source suggesting that Reagan is minded to support Yousaf in next week’s vote.

Looks like things are going to get very interesting.

FFS they're all stes, it'll never end till they're dragged out.

Shes not giving the vote for free. She wants votes herself
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politi...