Another Tunisian Attack - Sousse

[Asterix]

Axionknight said:

How many of the near 2.8 million Muslims in the UK (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_Kingdom) do you think are going to leave? Many have lives here just like the rest of us, so I can't see a mass exodus on the horizon.

Of course, those that remain will continue to have children and likely bring them up instilling the religion into them as they go, so your idea of a Muslim free utopia is never going to come about without outlawing the religion or forceful expulsion of anybody who identifies themselves as Muslim, regardless of where they were born.

They wont leave because every single Islamic country is a grade Z sthole - the only ones remotely 'nice' are Turkey and Malaysia and that's only because they're about as secular as you're going to get.

Anyway, you can't outlaw Islam without outlawing all religion - which is fine by me.

[GT03ROB]

Asterix said:

fesuvious said:

4v6 said:

Mermaid said:

A small Muslim minority are giving all Muslims a bad name,

I disagree. How do we know its a small minority?

Some polls for you. You're quite obviously barking up the wrong tree. There's barely anything here to support your views

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Opinion-Po...

That website is banned here in Dubai.

Let me guess why...

Allowed here in Kuwait ......

[Mermaid]

Asterix said:

Anyway, you can't outlaw Islam without outlawing all religion - which is fine by me.

Impose an extra tax on every individual who follows a religion,rate based on violent acts committed by members of their clan in the prior 6 months.

No offences - no extra tax

[Vaud]

deltaevo16 said:

Well that makes everything that IS do ok in your eyes, always the same responses tbh, well the Christians did it so it must be ok. What about the Nazi's shall we use the same argument to kill Jews?

Some seriously deluded people that continue to appease, hand wring and sit on the fence.

Please say where I was supporting ANY of the actions.

My point is that most, if not all religious groups have their extremists that commit horrible, hateful atrocities and that Christians are not exempt. To take that I appease from my comment is the delusional view.

[flyingvisit]

Axionknight said:

AJL308 said:

Vaud said:

Sabra and Shatila massacre in 1982?

Or plenty of Christians killed other Christians in NI; but quite right - no beheadings, they burned houses instead.

Even more reasons to conclude that religion in any form is a bad idea.

However, we need to employ a tiny bit of pragmatism here; at present there is virtually zero chance of anyone being killed due to a violent, deviant sub-set of Christians, or any other religion for that matter. That is not true of Islam

So, how do you suggest we stop this from happening again? Or, more closer to home I guess, what do we do to stop it from happening again here?

There's nothing we can do to stop it happening. Deportations (where to?) and internment are not going to happen. The only possible solution would be to bribe them all to leave the West (and we know how much Muslms like handouts).

In the meantime, it will continue, as will the gang rapes and all the other st associated with Muslims.

[Mermaid]

flyingvisit said:

There's nothing we can do to stop it happening. Deportations (where to?) and internment are not going to happen. The only possible solution would be to bribe them all to leave the West (and we know how much Muslms like handouts).

Greece could have our lot, help them with their economy and can retire early, better weather, closer to homeland etc.

[egor110]

Do the hotels in tunisia have the same seçurity as in the red sea?

2 armed guards at main entrance then long driveway to hotel entrance with a couple more armed guards?

I'd be interested what they were doing during the 30 mins matey was working his way up the beach and into the hotel, also are all there weapons accounted for?

[JensenA]

We stop,pussy footing around trying not to offend Muslims in case were classed as racist.
Stop 'importing' extreme foreign Mullahs to preach in the mosques, let's have some moderate British born and raised Mullahs instead, ones who believe in this religion of peace, and preach peace and tolerance,
Ban the wearing of hijabs and Burkas, this is 21st century Britain, not a medieval 3rd world sthole that treats women as second class citizens. If they don't like it, then they don't have to come here, in the same way that I don't want to go and live in a strict Muslim country.
In this country we have Sikhs, Buddhists, Jews, Christians, Catholics, Jehovas Witnesses, you name it they are here, and we have no problems at all with any of them.

[Axionknight]

egor110 said:

Do the hotels in tunisia have the same seçurity as in the red sea?

2 armed guards at main entrance then long driveway to hotel entrance with a couple more armed guards?

I'd be interested what they were doing during the 30 mins matey was working his way up the beach and into the hotel, also are all there weapons accounted for?

We stayed a two minute walk away from where this happened, back in 2012 and I never saw an armed guard once during our stay.

[andy_s]

I've no idea why someone would go there for a holiday, it's infested with AQ/IS.

IS is a religious doomsday cult, it has as much to do with practitioners of moderate Islam as the Mormans do with my local vicar.

But moderate Islam needs to do more itself against IS; they are more of an enemy to IS than Christians after all.

[johnxjsc1985]

Wonder how Israel would handle this if it had been on their homeland.
Time for the excuses to stop and some real thought and action needed both here and in the IS heartland.

[anonymous-user]

JensenA said:

We stop,pussy footing around trying not to offend Muslims in case were classed as racist.
Stop 'importing' extreme foreign Mullahs to preach in the mosques, let's have some moderate British born and raised Mullahs instead, ones who believe in this religion of peace, and preach peace and tolerance,
Ban the wearing of hijabs and Burkas, this is 21st century Britain, not a medieval 3rd world sthole that treats women as second class citizens. If they don't like it, then they don't have to come here, in the same way that I don't want to go and live in a strict Muslim country.
In this country we have Sikhs, Buddhists, Jews, Christians, Catholics, Jehovas Witnesses, you name it they are here, and we have no problems at all with any of them.

And stop pussyfooting around with the families whose kids are going out there. Instead of touchy feely policing interrogate the families. And don't be apologising for police actions.

[flyingvisit]

Mermaid said:

flyingvisit said:

There's nothing we can do to stop it happening. Deportations (where to?) and internment are not going to happen. The only possible solution would be to bribe them all to leave the West (and we know how much Muslms like handouts).

Greece could have our lot, help them with their economy and can retire early, better weather, closer to homeland etc.

Sounds like a plan. Better tell Dave.

[CrutyRammers]

techiedave said:

And stop pussyfooting around with the families whose kids are going out there. Instead of touchy feely policing interrogate the families. And don't be apologising for police actions.

Quite. It's a war and we should be fighting it as such. Why we allow enemy agents and fighters free reign is beyond me.

[AJL308]

flyingvisit said:

The only possible solution would be to bribe them all to leave the West (and we know how much Muslms like handouts).

This is what I was getting at. Say, £1,000,000 for every Muslim (or other religionist nutter) who wants to leave. If there are 2.6m Muslims in the UK then the bill would come to £2.6Bn if all of them took up the offer. A drop in the ocean really. Governments don't get much for that sort of cash these days so it really wouldn't be missed.

It's open to question as to how many would take up the offer but I'd guess it would be a very large percentage. Some families would instantly be worth many millions which, translated into the economies of the places that would take them, would make them the equivalents of billionaires here.

[Mermaid]

AJL308 said:

This is what I was getting at. Say, £1,000,000 for every Muslim (or other religionist nutter) who wants to leave. If there are 2.6m Muslims in the UK then the bill would come to £2.6Bn if all of them took up the offer. A drop in the ocean really. Governments don't get much for that sort of cash these days so it really wouldn't be missed.

It's open to question as to how many would take up the offer but I'd guess it would be a very large percentage. Some families would instantly be worth many millions which, translated into the economies of the places that would take them, would make them the equivalents of billionaires here.

Maths has been their strong point - the country cannot afford it for it is much more.

[zygalski]

JensenA said:

zygalski said:

How is it irrelevant? We in The West have historically supported Muslim terrorist nutters when it fits in with a perceived national interest. If you play with fire it shouldn't be too surprising that you often get burnt.

Tinker, tinker, tinker... BANG.
A very brief history of The West's relationship with radical Islam.

Zygalski your a left wing fruitcake who will say anything deflect any blame from Muslims because it upsets your deeply ingrained politically correct mentality. Numerous murders are being committed by Islamist fanatics in the name of Islam, the West is not condemning these attitudes because they are being perpetrated by Muslims, we are condemning these atrocities which 'happen' to be perpetrated by Muslims, the West is also condemning the killings of Muslims by IS. And all you can do is bring up ancient bits of History as some kind of justification. And your final comment "if you play with fire don't be surprised if you get burnt" is exactly the kind of comment that we come to expect from the left wing politically correct fanatics. If IS was a white Christian group killing Muslims, would you still be defending them? I think not.

How exactly am I defending these lunatic murderers?
What I am saying is that we'll get absolutely nowhere if we don't ask the hard, awkward questions like why nearly half of the worlds population despises The West & deal with that.
What is your answer? Perhaps to carpet-bomb them out of existence? Yeah, that worked well. Like in Iraq?

You're the fruitcake if you think the political & economic structure of the modern world operates in such a black & white way. We fund & have trained a lot of these Muslim extremist groups. No doubt we continue to do so, although more covertly these days. Regime change, I think they call it.
The waters are very muddy indeed, my friend.

[AJL308]

egor110 said:

Do the hotels in tunisia have the same seçurity as in the red sea?

2 armed guards at main entrance then long driveway to hotel entrance with a couple more armed guards?

I'd be interested what they were doing during the 30 mins matey was working his way up the beach and into the hotel, also are all there weapons accounted for?

Exactly the point. You can have as many hired thugs as you like on the front door but if someone appears on the beach through the unguarded back entrance then they are a waste of space.

As you rightly allude to, they are probably easily subverted. They will be piss-poorly paid and are of the same Islamist bent as the guy who's doing the killing. Not a good combination and another reason to go to these backward places.

[zygalski]

JensenA said:

We stop,pussy footing around trying not to offend Muslims in case were classed as racist.
Stop 'importing' extreme foreign Mullahs to preach in the mosques, let's have some moderate British born and raised Mullahs instead, ones who believe in this religion of peace, and preach peace and tolerance,
Ban the wearing of hijabs and Burkas, this is 21st century Britain, not a medieval 3rd world sthole that treats women as second class citizens. If they don't like it, then they don't have to come here, in the same way that I don't want to go and live in a strict Muslim country.
In this country we have Sikhs, Buddhists, Jews, Christians, Catholics, Jehovas Witnesses, you name it they are here, and we have no problems at all with any of them.

How exactly does that stop the beach massacre of largely British tourists going to a welcoming country like Tunisia that has a few lone wolf nut job terrorists?
You're not dealing with the problem. Your view seems very short-sighted.

[Boosted LS1]

At last people have the confidence to speak out about Islam and it's beliefs.

All muslims would like a caliphate, why wouldn't they? They see us as kafir, we are beneath them especially white females Why would muslims want to integrate with us non believers? It is true that many muslims seem moderate but they could easily make worldwide protestations about ISIS and other sins carried out by their members. They're inaction says it all. Slowly and by stealth the civilised west is being overcome by sheer weight of numbers. They will continually gain influence unless the situations reversed. I've come to regard the west as being christian whilst the east and african regions are muslim.

We get on well with our asian friends and people from our old colonies. These people fought for us during our many wars. I don't think we ever had any muslim colonies but somebody can clarify this?

There is a lot of very unpleasant visual ISIS propaganda out there and it's sickening. I read recently "That not all muslims are terrorist but all terrorists are muslim". This is a sick religion of war, not peace and the nutters are following it to the letter. If the koran could be edited in some parts then I'm sure the religion would benefit.

Edited by Boosted LS1 on Sunday 28th June 21:43