War with Russia

[Octoposse]

109er said:

What's your take on this report/story:

http://news.yahoo.com/putin-next-target-094500221-...

Hard to say - a little sensational and evidence free. Seems to rest on anecdotes from 'our' man in Moldova (Vlad Filat, leading light in the Moldovan Alliance for European Integration), popping over to Washington to ask for dosh (hopefully it's not weapons to do a 'Georgia' - Transnistria is more strategically vulnerable than South Ossetia, but the Russians would 100% inevitably respond, whatever the cost).

[AreOut]

skyrover said:

The devil is in the detail... troops numbers, movements, the length of time the lease was allowed etc

it's easy to nitpick if you are in good position, not so much if you were in his seat

skyrover said:

Russia already had de-facto control of large chunks of Crimea... It's seizure was not pre-planned, but made that much easier.

But it was the part of Ukraine, now it is not thanks to euronazis. And who knows where that will stop.

[Transmitter Man]

Are,

So aside from the Euronazis, how do you suggest they recover the stolen money?

http://www.fcpablog.com/blog/2014/5/1/ukraine-need...

Phil

[AreOut]

is the hunt for that stolen money limited on yanukovich or all other oligarchs in Ukraine? The richest man in Ukraine sided with "people", and I'm willing to bet that his money isn't any more legal than yanukovich's.

[Octoposse]

Transmitter Man said:

Are,

So aside from the Euronazis, how do you suggest they recover the stolen money?

http://www.fcpablog.com/blog/2014/5/1/ukraine-need...

Phil

Note the difference: "The Government is under great pressure to recover the assets quickly, as expectations from those people whose protests have led to the fall of the Yanukovych regime are high."

So democratically elected Yanukovych headed a regime, but now he's been removed Ukraine has a government . . .

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Octoposse said:

ote the difference: "The Government is under great pressure to recover the assets quickly, as expectations from those people whose protests have led to the fall of the Yanukovych regime are high."

So democratically elected Yanukovych headed a regime, but now he's been removed Ukraine has a government . . .

This exact choice of words is something the BBC are past masters at, as soon as you hear regime or junta, you know which way the bias is heading.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Mobile phone double post.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Saturday 24th May 20:34

[Transmitter Man]

So by 'Are Outs' maths the Euronazis are now in charge then?

Phil

[skyrover]

An insight into the separatist mentality

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhArEfYe9H4

This is Babaj (Aleksandr Mozhajev from Krasnodar region), one of the most photogenic Russian terrorists in Donbas, he says theyve captured a black man and are going to kill him and send to Obama to make him order his troops to leave Ukraine And if the American troops dont, the cossack army will go to the USA and destroy the American Jewish-Freemasonry

P.S. Looks like Jews from Ethiopia should abstain from visiting Donbas nowadays

[league67]

skyrover said:

An insight into the separatist mentality

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhArEfYe9H4

This is Babaj (Aleksandr Mozhajev from Krasnodar region), one of the most photogenic Russian terrorists in Donbas, he says theyve captured a black man and are going to kill him and send to Obama to make him order his troops to leave Ukraine And if the American troops dont, the cossack army will go to the USA and destroy the American Jewish-Freemasonry

P.S. Looks like Jews from Ethiopia should abstain from visiting Donbas nowadays

I took time and answered all of your points. Now you are just scraping the barrel. You've found some nutcase and transpose that into 'separatist/terrorist mentality'. No offence, but your posts are beyond contempt.

[skyrover]

league67 said:

skyrover said:

An insight into the separatist mentality

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhArEfYe9H4

This is Babaj (Aleksandr Mozhajev from Krasnodar region), one of the most photogenic Russian terrorists in Donbas, he says theyve captured a black man and are going to kill him and send to Obama to make him order his troops to leave Ukraine And if the American troops dont, the cossack army will go to the USA and destroy the American Jewish-Freemasonry

P.S. Looks like Jews from Ethiopia should abstain from visiting Donbas nowadays

I took time and answered all of your points. Now you are just scraping the barrel. You've found some nutcase and transpose that into 'separatist/terrorist mentality'. No offence, but your posts are beyond contempt.

attacking the messenger and not the message... nice one

here's a bit more on the guy... not just some random bloke off the street

http://guardianlv.com/2014/04/ukraine-separatist-n...

[league67]

skyrover said:

attacking the messenger and not the message... nice one

here's a bit more on the guy... not just some random bloke off the street

http://guardianlv.com/2014/04/ukraine-separatist-n...

That is exactly what I did. If you take your blinkers off for a second, you might read something else into it. I stand behind what I said. I'm sure, if they could, those terrorist burnt alive in the TV building would agree.

[skyrover]

league67 said:

skyrover said:

attacking the messenger and not the message... nice one

here's a bit more on the guy... not just some random bloke off the street

http://guardianlv.com/2014/04/ukraine-separatist-n...

That is exactly what I did. If you take your blinkers off for a second, you might read something else into it. I stand behind what I said. I'm sure, if they could, those terrorist burnt alive in the TV building would agree.

I'm honestly baffled by your whole position in this situation... You must be wearing some pretty tough trousers for all the fence sitting.

[vonuber]

Here's an interesting viewpoint I hadn't heard before:

http://www.pcgamesn.com/maidan-how-ukraine-s-best-...

[AreOut]

Transmitter Man said:

So by 'Are Outs' maths the Euronazis are now in charge then?

Phil

well, I didn't invent that word

[league67]

skyrover said:

league67 said:

skyrover said:

An insight into the separatist mentality

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhArEfYe9H4

This is Babaj (Aleksandr Mozhajev from Krasnodar region), one of the most photogenic Russian terrorists in Donbas, he says theyve captured a black man and are going to kill him and send to Obama to make him order his troops to leave Ukraine And if the American troops dont, the cossack army will go to the USA and destroy the American Jewish-Freemasonry

P.S. Looks like Jews from Ethiopia should abstain from visiting Donbas nowadays

I took time and answered all of your points. Now you are just scraping the barrel. You've found some nutcase and transpose that into 'separatist/terrorist mentality'. No offence, but your posts are beyond contempt.

attacking the messenger and not the message... nice one

here's a bit more on the guy... not just some random bloke off the street

http://guardianlv.com/2014/04/ukraine-separatist-n...

I don't understand your winking smileys. I don't mind your obvious bias. I asked you what do you think about burning people alive inside TV studio. You don't want to answer that. That is ok too. As for the trousers, if you can see my trousers, you are way too close. Please maintain respectful distance at all times.

[skyrover]

league67 said:

I don't understand your winking smileys. I don't mind your obvious bias. I asked you what do you think about burning people alive inside TV studio. You don't want to answer that. That is ok too. As for the trousers, if you can see my trousers, you are way too close. Please maintain respectful distance at all times.

A heinous act obviously, the perpetrators will hopefully be found and brought to justice...

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[RedTrident]

I've seen the latest news. It involves air strikes rather than attempting negotiations after an election that Putin is at least publicly supportive of. Perhaps someone can explain this approach.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/26/poros...

[skyrover]

RedTrident said:

I've seen the latest news. It involves air strikes rather than attempting negotiations after an election that Putin is at least publicly supportive of. Perhaps someone can explain this approach.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/26/poros...

From what I understand there are various "separatist groups"... not all of them will talk, even to each other.

A bit of a clusterfk in the east at the moment.

[skyrover]

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