UK General Election 2015

[Mojocvh]

johnxjsc1985 said:

The Scots want out of the Union

Can you qualify that statement?

And that doesn't mean you what you were told on the TV either....l

[johnxjsc1985]

Mojocvh said:

Can you qualify that statement?

And that doesn't mean you what you were told on the TV either....l

If you put it into English I will give it a go.

[hidetheelephants]

johnxjsc1985 said:

The Scots want out of the Union

No, the majority of us don't; HTH. It would be a good idea if Milipede or CMD or Kang and Kodos get a grip and finish the job of federalisation once they're esconced in No.10 on the 8th. Otherwise this st is going to be damaging our economic prospects for the forseeable future.

[Axionknight]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rAT_BuJAI70

Go ahead, throw your vote away!

[Pan Pan Pan]

Axionknight said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Exactly. if Labour win we will go down the same route as Greece, eventually ending up as a basket case. The `rich' will have f**ked off somewhere else, taking their money (and businesses) where they wont be penalised for making money (because they can)
The public sector will balloon. The can work, but wont work brigade will be in seventh heaven, and the poor saps in the middle, who hold the ridiculous idea of working for a living, will be taxed up to the eyeballs to pay for it all.

You sound like a positive chap.

Nope just a realist who has looked at what factual history tells me, and made a comment based on `my' interpretation of that.
Every time labour get into number 10, they trash the eoonomy (on which EVERYTHING else.
a decent NHS, schools, the public sector, the police, the armed forces etc depends)
The Callaghan government left the UK NOT working, with rubbish piled in the streets, and the laughing stock of the world, afflicted by what other countries referred to as the `English disease'
Then the Tories get in (who frankly are not much better) and spend years repairing the damage to the UK (and taking the flak for taking the steps needed to do this) they then hand over the biggest economic surplus to Tony Bliar, and Gormless Clown, who then proceed to trash the UK economy AGAIN (after raiding the pensions of millions of ordinary working people, selling off the UK`s gold reserves at an all time low price, and giving away (for nothing) the UK`s hard fought for EU rebate. and then they wonder where all the money has gone)
Then the Tories get in again, and try to repair the damage done by the Bliar / Gormless Clown labour government (who left a note saying `the money`s all gone) Again the Tories take the unpleasant measures needed to repair the economy, and again get the flak for doing so.
And so it goes on and on. The difference this time is that the UK is in a poorer financial position than it was 18 years ago. Interesting times lay ahead.

[johnxjsc1985]

hidetheelephants said:

No, the majority of us don't; HTH. It would be a good idea if Milipede or CMD or Kang and Kodos get a grip and finish the job of federalisation once they're esconced in No.10 on the 8th. Otherwise this st is going to be damaging our economic prospects for the forseeable future.

The SNP is the party of an independant Scotland is it not. The polls suggest a huge majority will vote for them so how is that not a vote to leave the Union.
I dont think for a minute that they will do anything but try to achieve this again if they form any sort of alliance with Labour.
The very mention of London or Westminster leaves them foaming at the mouth.
I don't get what has changed with the Scots they used to be acknowledged hard workers ,intelligent and "frugal" the opposite of Ed's mob Conservative with a small C.

[BlackLabel]

h8tax said:

I hate to say it, but I think us PHers are deluding ourselves if we think that a Lab/SNP government will destroy the country to the point that they wont get in again for a generation.

Last time, Labour royally screwed the country - there was literally "no money left" - and we allegedly entered an age of austerity - but in reality it had very little effect on most peoples' daily lives. The trains still ran, you could see a doctor, you got paid, the wheels still turned. Liberal media hysteria about "cuts" is actually zealous over-reporting of very minor trimming. Because the general population don't (or won't) understand economics they think the money to pay for the benefits society and the public sector just 'appears'. No matter how bad the public finances get, this will always be the case.

All that will happen is that the core support for a Lab/SNP will harden because there will be more benefits, more immigration and more public sector. The PH demographic will have to pay for it.

The left wing can quite literally create as many votes as they want to. The (slightly) right wing cannot.

The only hope is for an independent Scotland which would then remove coalition support for Labour, and English hostility towards financial support for Scotland grows. The reality BTW is that even an independent Scotland would still require infinite financial support from England anyway (see Eire circa 2008) - it will make no difference to the economics, but it might clarify English politics. I write that as a fervent opponent of Scottish independence btw.

Just look at Brown, one of the worst PMs we've ever had and he had the personality to match that record. Yet he still polled 29% in 2010 and the main opposition could only manage 36%. And now we have a Labour leader almost as bad as Michael Foot who is odds on to be PM after the election with about 33% of the vote.

Gary Glitter could lead Labour into a General Election and they'd still be guaranteed three-tenths of the votes nationally.

[McWigglebum4th]

johnxjsc1985 said:

The SNP is the party of an independant Scotland is it not. The polls suggest a huge majority will vote for them so how is that not a vote to leave the Union.
I dont think for a minute that they will do anything but try to achieve this again if they form any sort of alliance with Labour.
The very mention of London or Westminster leaves them foaming at the mouth.
I don't get what has changed with the Scots they used to be acknowledged hard workers ,intelligent and "frugal" the opposite of Ed's mob Conservative with a small C.

No about 30% will vote for the SNP


The rest won't vote or will vote for another party

From the 30% we will get 90% SNP MPs


And i am pretty certain the SNP will suddenly drop their desire for PR

[johnxjsc1985]

latest Polling puts the SNP at 50% which seems clear enough.I hope your right and on Election day it will change.
I doubt the same noise would not be made if Scotland sent down 50plus Labour or Liberal MP's.

[McWigglebum4th]

Though lets be honest

This is the last election where Scotland will be part of the UK

[johnxjsc1985]

McWigglebum4th said:

Though lets be honest

This is the last election where Scotland will be part of the UK

I think a mass exodus north of the Border if Red Ed gets in should balance things out nicely.

[McWigglebum4th]

contango said:

McWigglebum4th said:

Though lets be honest

This is the last election where Scotland will be part of the UK

YeeeSSSSSS!!!!

This could be the best thing to come out of this election debacle.

I think losing my house and job isn't what i would describe as best thing


As either the SNP are lying and everyone won't be equal or we are heading for communism

[s2art]

McWigglebum4th said:

Though lets be honest

This is the last election where Scotland will be part of the UK

I am not so sure. My suspicion is that the SNP bigwigs really want a form of devo-max. That way they can still blame the evil Tories/English for anything that goes wrong.

[johnxjsc1985]

s2art said:

I am not so sure. My suspicion is that the SNP bigwigs really want a form of devo-max. That way they can still blame the evil Tories/English for anything that goes wrong.

Do you think Salmond is being kept on a short leash?.

[Axionknight]

s2art said:

I am not so sure. My suspicion is that the SNP bigwigs really want a form of devo-max. That way they can still blame the evil Tories/English for anything that goes wrong.

You forgot picking the tab up n' all.

[MGJohn]

Has it not yet occurred to Desperate Dave and his fellow Torys that to have a chance securing continuing tenancy of No.10 he needs to more closely align with the core attractions of UKIP. Because of those attractions, UKIP will no doubt take votes from the Torys which could be harmful but they will also take a good number from Labour. I know of three such voters, maybe four who mainly supported Labour in the past but are unlikely to ever do so again. There must be more former Labour voters doing likewise.

However Dave's party has always cow-towed to their paymasters rather than put the people first and that means ...

Ed will be taking his place in No.10 after May 8th, baring some act of God.

Despite all that... I'm still voting UKIP.

EDIT to add at 15:03:

Fed up with most Party spokesfolk now stating no way will they join with any minority party's members in the event that they do not secure an overall majority.

One on BBC1 right now doing just that.

Edited by MGJohn on Sunday 26th April 15:05

[jmorgan]

Wonder how far the claims of "we will not align with...." will last when the carrot that is the keys to number 10 are dangled if the votes lead that way after the count.

[Scuffers]

jmorgan said:

Wonder how far the claims of "we will not align with...." will last when the carrot that is the keys to number 10 are dangled if the votes lead that way after the count.

Exactly!

[JensenA]

MarshPhantom said:

JensenA said:

Sadly I think Labour will win due to the ignorance of reality that most of the population possess. It's easy for Labour to win.
A very simplistic apology is that of a Family with kids. Father Dave is saying "Look times are tough, we need to cut back for a few years, get the mortgage paid off, take holidays in England, and no more designer clothes for the time being, and you'll have to pay your own mobile phone bill, sorry Kids, but that's the way it is. And Mum Millicent is saying "We'll remortgage the house, you can have a new ipad and phone each, we'll pay the phone bills and were off to Disneyland next year".
Who will,the kids vote for?

Mother Millicent - We need to buy our son a wheelchair.

Father Dave - Tough. We can't afford it.

Mother Millicent - You're just pretending to be broke so you don't have to give me any money.

Edited by MarshPhantom on Sunday 26th April 12:27

That's exactly the point I was making, the ignorance of people like you who have no concept of reality, and spout utter bull$hit like that, and worse, actually believe it, you should get a Job script writing for Labour.

My father sadly died of cancer last year, the care he received from Father Dave, was second to none, and after his first bout of surgery, he even paid for social services to come round to his house, and install additional hand rails on the staircase, a hand rail outside the house, and build up the step on the outside door to help,him climb up.

[pingu393]

I've just built an Excel spreadsheet in which you can see the effects of various different swings between the parties. If anyone wants different swings added to the model, just let me know.(*)

http://www.porterbility.co.uk/Files/XLS/2015_Elect...

It's interesting how swings for one party benefit others before themselves.

For instance swings from Labour to SNP...

0% - 2% = No effect
3% - 9% = 1 LD gain
10% - 13% = 2 LD gains
14% = 2 LD gains and 1 SNP gain

So the first 13% of ex-Labour voters who vote SNP only benefit the Liberal Democrats.



(*) Swings modelled at the moment are
Con - UKIP (Eng)
Lab - UKIP (Eng)
LD - Con (Eng)
LD - Lab (Eng)
LD - UKIP (Eng)
LD - SNP (Scot)
Lab - SNP (Scot)
Con - SNP (Scot)