Climate change - the POLITICAL debate.

[LongQ]

mybrainhurts said:

Dear Tyndallistas...

Much that I dislike to quote Americana, I think you need to ponder that which is attributed by some to Abraham Lincoln..

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.

Overlooked that one, didn't you...?

But they know they can fool nearly all of the politicians all of the time or provide suitable inducements and that's all they need to do really.

Of course in public they can't say that so they just have to allude to a more general audience. Media people involved would want that anyway - having 'a public' means they have some purpose in life - or so they think.

[Le TVR]

Richard Black's latest http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-1594...

Just loving the comments

[chris watton]

Le TVR said:

Richard Black's latest http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-1594...

Just loving the comments

BBC live in their own little (CO2 free..) bubble, don't they!

[The Excession]

Le TVR said:

Richard Black's latest http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-1594...

Just loving the comments

What really really pisses me off is statements like this

Le TVR said:

So the UK, for example, has been slammed by campaigners over its behind-the-scenes lobbying on Canada's oil sands - a fuel that if it is exploited on a big scale will mean "game over for the climate", according to US climate scientist James Hansen - while lobbying for constraints on emissions in Durban.

Just what exactly does "game over for the climate" mean????

FFS. It's nothing more than alarmist clap-trap.

Are we all going to die? Or, does he realy mean "game over for the climate scam industry"?

[IainT]

Ex - if the climate measures go forwards (destroying the world economy and killing millions in the process) and reduce CO2 they'll claim success. Grant money well-spent.

If we do nothing and the climate naturally continues to warm, or not, we'll just have more of the 'natural variability, blah blah' to put up with.

Win-Win for them, lose-lose for the world.

[Pesty]

Ahhhh talking about droudt now on sky news " this is probably climate change we are seeing now"

We should have water meters and use less water. etc etc

No mention of reservoirs filled in and built on thus making things worse.
No metion of leaks that water companies dont fix and waste more water than we fking use
no mention of getting the water companies to build more reservoirs.
no mention of increasing population etc etc

Just that we should pay more so we use less.

[Oakey]

Turbobloke, your services are required!

From this thread: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

crankedup said:

Oakey said:

An industry propped up by subsidies coming at the expense of higher energy prices for everyone else?

Clearly you haven't lost tens of thousands of pounds then by knee jerk Governmental decisions. There are countless businesses being helped financially to keep them afloat. The least the Government could have done was send the 'Green Industry' businesses a warning shot of what was to come. No chance, let private business set up at enormous expenses from owners own pockets, take deposits from customers, place very expensive orders for stock on back of deposits and the Government changes its mind.
One small Company has had to lay off eighty staff purely on the back of the Governments decision. Your post signals a lot of what is wrong in this Country and has been for decades, a complete lack of understanding and willingness to invest in the future.

[turbobloke]

Oakey said:

Turbobloke, your services are required!

From this thread: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

crankedup said:

Oakey said:

An industry propped up by subsidies coming at the expense of higher energy prices for everyone else?

Clearly you haven't lost tens of thousands of pounds then by knee jerk Governmental decisions. There are countless businesses being helped financially to keep them afloat. The least the Government could have done was send the 'Green Industry' businesses a warning shot of what was to come. No chance, let private business set up at enormous expenses from owners own pockets, take deposits from customers, place very expensive orders for stock on back of deposits and the Government changes its mind.
One small Company has had to lay off eighty staff purely on the back of the Governments decision. Your post signals a lot of what is wrong in this Country and has been for decades, a complete lack of understanding and willingness to invest in the future.

Interesting! We've been there before but we can always go there again.

[turbobloke]

Met Office Climate Forecasts: Always Wrong But Never In Doubt

None of the Met Office forecasts have been correct. The global annual average temperature has to increase soon or else the goalposts will have to be moved again. At what stage does one admit the predictions were wrong?
David Whitehouse, The Global Warming Policy Foundation, o1 December 2011

Tim, Chris, I hope you’re not right about the lack of warming lasting till about 2020. I'd rather hoped to see the earlier Met Office press release with Doug's paper that said something like - half the years to 2014 would exceed the warmest year currently on record, 1998!
Phil Jones, 05 January 2009

George Osborne has made his clear political choice. The Autumn Statement contained lots of 'blue meat' designed to appeal to the Tory base. If you run an SME or indeed are a climate change sceptic you will be very content with the Chancellor's message. Today the government appears much more climate change sceptical - but then the Chancellor listens a lot to the guidance of Lord Lawson.
Ian Anderson, Huffington Post, 29 November 2011


Fantastic to see the Jones/Mystic Met failures up on view again.

[LongQ]

In the Uk version of the Huffington Post we seem to have an organisation that is even more deluded about things green than are the BBC and Grauniad.

It hardly seems possible, yet the more one reads the worse it gets ....

[mackie1]

Do the claim that Climategate is fake perchance? I've seen quite a lot of that around the web.

[LongQ]

mackie1 said:

Do the claim that Climategate is fake perchance? I've seen quite a lot of that around the web.

Huffington?

Dunno. I don't read it unless I stumble across it and then it depends on the headline and my curiosity about wherther my guess about the content makes it worth actually checking.

[DieselGriff]

mackie1 said:

Do the claim that Climategate is fake perchance? I've seen quite a lot of that around the web.

I believe they have been confirmed not denied as being real by those involved See here, and there has been no PR based on them being false, as far as I am aware, since.

[turbobloke]

The emails are as real as manmadeup warming is bogus.

[bigdog3]

LongQ said:

Huffington?

Dunno. I don't read it unless I stumble across it and then it depends on the headline and my curiosity about wherther my guess about the content makes it worth actually checking.

Thanks - your contribution warranted the time I spent reading it. Now I'm better informed

[LongQ]

bigdog3 said:

LongQ said:

Huffington?

Dunno. I don't read it unless I stumble across it and then it depends on the headline and my curiosity about wherther my guess about the content makes it worth actually checking.

Thanks - your contribution warranted the time I spent reading it.Now I'm better informed

Doubtful if you read the Huffington site.

On the other hand if you have worked out whether the short post to which I was responding (with a question in the first instance) was indeed referring to Huffington and thus you have an answer to my question, please feel free to share.

[turbobloke]

Millions afraid to turn on heating



Snip
many families and vulnerable groups such as the elderly – already struggling to make ends meet during the world economic crisis – are being ripped off by more than £1billion and cannot afford to heat their homes

www.express.co.uk/posts/view/287288/Millions-afrai...

Great result for junkscience and warmist propaganda assisted by clueless venal politicians.

[chris watton]

turbobloke said:

Millions afraid to turn on heating



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many families and vulnerable groups such as the elderly – already struggling to make ends meet during the world economic crisis – are being ripped off by more than £1billion and cannot afford to heat their homes

www.express.co.uk/posts/view/287288/Millions-afrai...

Great result for junkscience and warmist propaganda assisted by clueless venal politicians.

This is actually true, as I have written before, we are helping pay for my parents heating bills, otherwise they are too afraid to switch it on.

At the same time, more affluent types are making a killing thanks to green subsidies, most notably for wind farms and solar – the costs of which are added to all of our bills and via other taxes.

This is the single biggest issue for us.

Remember a time when those on the left were generally a force for good? They used to speak up for the weakest and most vulnerable and question everything regarding corporation and government policy. Now, it seems they are in cahoots with them, and real journalism and reporting simply swallow what they’re told to say/think. The left, it seems, are no longer a force for good and bringing bad practices to account – they have become the polar opposite of why I always thought they were absolutely necessary.

….I now hate them!

[Mojocvh]

turbobloke said:

Millions afraid to turn on heating



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many families and vulnerable groups such as the elderly – already struggling to make ends meet during the world economic crisis – are being ripped off by more than £1billion and cannot afford to heat their homes

www.express.co.uk/posts/view/287288/Millions-afrai...

Great result for junkscience and warmist propaganda assisted by clueless venal politicians.

Now you forgot the real criminals there, the utility companies themselves.

Off to check the thermostat...again

[turbobloke]

Partly responsible yes but if successive administrations got their ROCs off and were FiT to govern it would be much better all round. Politicians are mostly to blame.