Are the left wing less tolerant of the views of others?

[otolith]

Quite!

[Randy Winkman]

otolith said:

Randy Winkman said:

Here's a bit of right-wing hate. And rather than tell me that sort of stuff is actually left-wing, why not go and tell them they are a bunch of lefties. See what they say.

Judge them by their policies. They're hard left economics plus racism. The idea that racism is an inherent attribute of the right is misguided. There are a great many traditional working class Labour voters who are very racist (that's where the BNP drew most of its support from) yet they would describe themselves as left wing.

Are their demands to limit immigration more likely to be met by Labour or Conservative? Or UKIP or the Socialist Workers Party perhaps? Unless of curse you think the people in the photo are less interested in immigration than economic policy? Is that what the sieg heil salutes are about - economic policy?

[otolith]

Randy Winkman said:

otolith said:

Randy Winkman said:

Here's a bit of right-wing hate. And rather than tell me that sort of stuff is actually left-wing, why not go and tell them they are a bunch of lefties. See what they say.

Judge them by their policies. They're hard left economics plus racism. The idea that racism is an inherent attribute of the right is misguided. There are a great many traditional working class Labour voters who are very racist (that's where the BNP drew most of its support from) yet they would describe themselves as left wing.

Are their demands to limit immigration more likely to be met by Labour or Conservative? Or UKIP or the Socialist Workers Party perhaps? Unless of curse you think the people in the photo are less interested in immigration than economic policy? Is that what the sieg heil salutes are about - economic policy?

They aren't going to get a racist immigration policy from anyone likely to win power.

You are defining a movement with a whole bunch of left wing policies as right wing on the basis of an attribute which is anathema to decent people across the political spectrum.

Although I suspect that you also define "decent" as left wing, so perhaps that doesn't leave you any less confused.

[anonymous-user]

Randy Winkman said:

Is that what the sieg heil salutes are about - economic policy?

Perhaps a quick google of National Socialism might help? Trying to associate the Tories with Nationalism is pretty desperate.

[Randy Winkman]

otolith said:

You are defining a movement with a whole bunch of left wing policies as right wing on the basis of an attribute which is anathema to decent people across the political spectrum.

What is the defining policy of the movement and that the people in the picture are thinking about? Is one of the other policies?

Vandalising cars and memorials is an anathema to decent left wingers too. Which is just about all of them.

[Randy Winkman]

fblm said:

Randy Winkman said:

Is that what the sieg heil salutes are about - economic policy?

Perhaps a quick google of National Socialism might help? Trying to associate the Tories with Nationalism is pretty desperate.

Are the blokes in the picture doing the salutes thinking about socialist economic policy?

[turbobloke]

Randy Winkman said:

fblm said:

Randy Winkman said:

Is that what the sieg heil salutes are about - economic policy?

Perhaps a quick google of National Socialism might help? Trying to associate the Tories with Nationalism is pretty desperate.

Are the blokes in the picture doing the salutes thinking about socialist economic policy?

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As already posted, the thread title asks a question about "is the left less tolerant of the views of others" not "are the extreme right / national socialists intolerant of the race / skin colour of others" which reflects hatred and is odious but off-topic and not a counter to the points already made, so reasonably desperate.

[anonymous-user]

Randy Winkman said:

fblm said:

Randy Winkman said:

Is that what the sieg heil salutes are about - economic policy?

Perhaps a quick google of National Socialism might help? Trying to associate the Tories with Nationalism is pretty desperate.

Are the blokes in the picture doing the salutes thinking about socialist economic policy?

I see so they are nasty right wing racists but they are too stupid to realise their 'party' is way to the left economically so it doesn't count? Haha. You seem as confused as they are!
It was you holding them up as an example of 'right wing hate' more closely aligned with the Tories than Labour, when they are nothing more than racists and nationalists and that if anything they are further left than New Labour. Nice try

[dubloon]

Only a complete imbecile could think that right wing nutters are in some way superior to left wing nutters.

[otolith]

Randy Winkman said:

What is the defining policy of the movement and that the people in the picture are thinking about? Is one of the other policies?

Racism. Which is not a right wing policy. The only policies they have which can be placed on the left-right axis are left wing.

[durbster]

Blimey, this thread still going?

Regarding The Left™ as being violent vandals; perhaps that's true but if so, maybe it's because their views aren't represented in our democracy. The people with the least representation are always the most disruptive.

This notion that left-wing politics leads to inevitable failure is easily addressed by pointing to the various countries around the world that have more left-leaning policies and yet are doing as well as, if not better than us. That those policies haven't succeeded in countries like Britain and the USA that happen to have a very powerful right-wing press is just a coincidence, I'm sure...

And the continued inferrence that it was left-wing economics that caused the 2008 crash is a bit odd but I guess if you keep saying it people will believe it.

Personally I think Corbyn would be a disaster for the country if elected as Prime Minister but I'm glad he's leading the opposition as a) he's finally made politics accessible to many, b) he seems to be a normal human and c) we may finally have an opposition able to put the Government on their toes, which is something I can't really say I've seen since I became eligible to vote.

I'm not convinced I'm going to like politics of ideology but can it be worse than the varying shades of grey we've endured for the last 20 years?

[Randy Winkman]

Stuff about "Far-right politics":

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/05/26/far-rig...

Stuff about nasty "right-wing" people:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/05/26/far-rig...

In the normal world all of these are intolerant right wing people. Why some people are being so defensive of the word "right" is beyond me. I'd never do the same for the "left". Some left wing people are nasty and some left wing policies are daft.

[otolith]

Because it's basically a slur on people who have different political beliefs. It's like suggesting that murdering intellectuals is just a point on the continuum of left wing values, that people on the centre left are maybe just a bit murderous.

[anonymous-user]

Randy Winkman said:

Why some people are being so defensive of the word "right" is beyond me.

Could it be because you are trying to label a bunch of racist nationalists as 'right' wingers in a sad attempt to position them as extreme Tories, despite the unfortunate detail that many of their other social and economic policies would make Corbyn proud?

[Randy Winkman]

fblm said:

Randy Winkman said:

Why some people are being so defensive of the word "right" is beyond me.

Could it be because you are trying to label a bunch of racist nationalists as 'right' wingers in a sad attempt to position them as extreme Tories, despite the unfortunate detail that many of their other social and economic policies would make Corbyn proud?

But everywhere except PH, they are "right wingers". I'm not particularly trying to lump them in with Tories other than just to follow the theme of this thread which is to lump those on the left together and suggest that some nasty people mean that those on the left are fundamentally worse than those on the right. Some of you have such simple views of the world.

[otolith]

The belief that Conservative voters are essentially bad people is not a position unique to extremists, it's mainstream.

[Einion Yrth]

Randy Winkman said:

Some of you have such simple views of the world.

[Randy Winkman]

Einion Yrth said:

Randy Winkman said:

Some of you have such simple views of the world.

Can you explain?

[hairyben]

I think we need to clarify what a lefty is, as it properly must mean someone with left wing leanings and a knowledge, all of whom I've encountered I've found engaging and mature enough to debate with, or the lifestyle-right-wing-h8r that seems to make up an alarming proportion of the 20/30somethings who know nothing at all of politics except that they're supposed to hate the "tory toffs yeah right."

The latter of course get angry when you challenge them as they have nothing beyond headline statements, but it seems not right to call them lefties when they clearly lack any real direction bar a kind of bigotry to their demon bogey men of choice, and that anything not branded as left is vile and evil.

I do wonder, given that many of these are otherwise articulate, intelligent, kind, compassionate, good people, that just seem to go tourettes when politics/right wing is mentioned, that our universities really do run some kind of subliminal brain wash program like something out a james bond movie.

[anonymous-user]

Randy Winkman said:

But everywhere except PH, they are "right wingers".

Wonderful, the only problem being they're not. They're racists with a side helping of socialist. The clue is in the name.