CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 19)
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Interesting read from Martin Kulldorff, who sadly appears to have been let go from his position at Harvard for his position on Vaccine Mandates.
https://www.city-journal.org/article/harvard-tramp...
Struggled to disagree with what he said at the time, now two years later it seems even more unforgivable.....
https://www.city-journal.org/article/harvard-tramp...
Struggled to disagree with what he said at the time, now two years later it seems even more unforgivable.....
Had an online meeting this evening with research institute types regarding animal welfare, and specifically around the notification & control of disease. When asked about the rollout of policy & notifications, several of the respondents said something to the effect of "no way, I don't trust government at all when it comes to disease control or policy."
To which the researchers replied "yeah, we're hearing that a lot from all the groups so far."
To which the researchers replied "yeah, we're hearing that a lot from all the groups so far."
Roderick Spode said:
Had an online meeting this evening with research institute types regarding animal welfare, and specifically around the notification & control of disease. When asked about the rollout of policy & notifications, several of the respondents said something to the effect of "no way, I don't trust government at all when it comes to disease control or policy."
To which the researchers replied "yeah, we're hearing that a lot from all the groups so far."
Of those respondents, I wonder how many dutifully rolled up their sleeves for the jab.To which the researchers replied "yeah, we're hearing that a lot from all the groups so far."
bodhi said:
Interesting read from Martin Kulldorff, who sadly appears to have been let go from his position at Harvard for his position on Vaccine Mandates.
https://www.city-journal.org/article/harvard-tramp...
Struggled to disagree with what he said at the time, now two years later it seems even more unforgivable.....
Very good article - thanks for sharinghttps://www.city-journal.org/article/harvard-tramp...
Struggled to disagree with what he said at the time, now two years later it seems even more unforgivable.....
It blows my mind sometimes to be reminded of the idiotic extremes we went to during Covid. I was sat at the dentist office, flipping through a National Geographic from March 2021. There was an article about Mars, and the author talks about how he had to get special permission to go to the University of Virginia observatory because it was closed to the public due to Covid. Really?! We can't have two people in a big empty building with the roof open out in the middle of nowhere because Covids? WTF did they think was going to happen??
mko9 said:
It blows my mind sometimes to be reminded of the idiotic extremes we went to during Covid. I was sat at the dentist office, flipping through a National Geographic from March 2021. There was an article about Mars, and the author talks about how he had to get special permission to go to the University of Virginia observatory because it was closed to the public due to Covid. Really?! We can't have two people in a big empty building with the roof open out in the middle of nowhere because Covids? WTF did they think was going to happen??
I get it sounds stupid, but the issue is that rules needed to be put in place but unfortunately its very much a one size fits all approach, which in practice doesn't work. Therefore you have lots of stupid situations like the one you mentioned because of said rules.
Challo said:
mko9 said:
It blows my mind sometimes to be reminded of the idiotic extremes we went to during Covid. I was sat at the dentist office, flipping through a National Geographic from March 2021. There was an article about Mars, and the author talks about how he had to get special permission to go to the University of Virginia observatory because it was closed to the public due to Covid. Really?! We can't have two people in a big empty building with the roof open out in the middle of nowhere because Covids? WTF did they think was going to happen??
I get it sounds stupid, but the issue is that rules needed to be put in place but unfortunately its very much a one size fits all approach, which in practice doesn't work. Therefore you have lots of stupid situations like the one you mentioned because of said rules.
RSTurboPaul said:
Challo said:
mko9 said:
It blows my mind sometimes to be reminded of the idiotic extremes we went to during Covid. I was sat at the dentist office, flipping through a National Geographic from March 2021. There was an article about Mars, and the author talks about how he had to get special permission to go to the University of Virginia observatory because it was closed to the public due to Covid. Really?! We can't have two people in a big empty building with the roof open out in the middle of nowhere because Covids? WTF did they think was going to happen??
I get it sounds stupid, but the issue is that rules needed to be put in place but unfortunately its very much a one size fits all approach, which in practice doesn't work. Therefore you have lots of stupid situations like the one you mentioned because of said rules.
The rules as proposed implemented were overbearing and nonsensical, cheered on by the social media Karens - but yeah, the fringe situations were definitely the problem and not the idiotic rules
But it wasn't even the fringe situations that were idiotic - I recall the pantomime of people in the office sitting at their desks sans
It doesn't just sound stupid, it was stupid. But the vast majority of the population went along with it obediently like good little sheep. I'm sure even the government(s) were surprised at the unquestioning compliance to made-up-on-the-hoof-and-constantly-changing diktats from on high, masquerading as considered scientific discourse.
Masks are not required.
Masks are essential.
A Chinese-style lockdown will not be required.
Everyone stay in your homes.
Social distancing 2 metres.
1.5 metres.
1 metre.
15 million jabs to freedom!
The jabs prevent transmission.
There are zero side effects.
Take another jab.
Have a booster.
Safe and effective.
We never said they would prevent transmission.
These side effects are nothing to do with the jabs.
It's not a side effect, it's Long Covid.
Only go out for one hour's essential exercise once a day, no more than 5 miles from your home.
A cup of coffee whilst walking constitutes a picnic and will see you fined.
Gyms and leisure centres are virus hotspots, but chip shops and takeaways are safe.
Only eight people from three households are allowed to gather in one place. Or is it six from two? Cross the border and it changes, because Science.
Open all windows and doors in an enclosed space in the depths of winter to prevent illness.
Elderly and vulnerable people should be contained and isolated away from human contact, and prevented from seeing loved ones, for their health and wellbeing.
But yeah. The problem wasn't the insane policies. They were all perfectly reasonable. It was the unexpected fringe circumstances like two people meeting in a remote observatory.
Challo said:
I get it sounds stupid, but the issue is that rules needed to be put in place but unfortunately its very much a one size fits all approach, which in practice doesn't work.
Therefore you have lots of stupid situations like the one you mentioned because of said rules.
Given rather a lot of people (as regularly seen here) were regularly chucking insults at others who were pointing out the absurdity and ludicrousness of said rules and other government actions, clearly those peope weren't finding them quite as stupid as you imply per above.....Therefore you have lots of stupid situations like the one you mentioned because of said rules.
r3g said:
From another thread. They're srill out there 
You should post in there and put them right.captain_cynic said:
Giving the benefit of the doubt that the [OP] didn't just want to start a mask debate (they did work, one of the reasons we don't need them any more)...
4 years on and they're still trotting out this BS.No doubt this will be a surprise to absolutely no-one, but it appears the inquiry has got documentary evidence that Sturgeon & Sridhar were following a Zero Covid policy:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/03/13/ni...
Searching the UK inquiry site for Sridhar and then choosing “evidence” shows a pile of documents published on 7/3/24, I’ve not looked through them all but I can see the one talking about elimination strategies.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/03/13/ni...
Searching the UK inquiry site for Sridhar and then choosing “evidence” shows a pile of documents published on 7/3/24, I’ve not looked through them all but I can see the one talking about elimination strategies.
Roderick Spode said:
RSTurboPaul said:
Challo said:
mko9 said:
It blows my mind sometimes to be reminded of the idiotic extremes we went to during Covid. I was sat at the dentist office, flipping through a National Geographic from March 2021. There was an article about Mars, and the author talks about how he had to get special permission to go to the University of Virginia observatory because it was closed to the public due to Covid. Really?! We can't have two people in a big empty building with the roof open out in the middle of nowhere because Covids? WTF did they think was going to happen??
I get it sounds stupid, but the issue is that rules needed to be put in place but unfortunately its very much a one size fits all approach, which in practice doesn't work. Therefore you have lots of stupid situations like the one you mentioned because of said rules.
The rules as proposed implemented were overbearing and nonsensical, cheered on by the social media Karens - but yeah, the fringe situations were definitely the problem and not the idiotic rules
But it wasn't even the fringe situations that were idiotic - I recall the pantomime of people in the office sitting at their desks sans
It doesn't just sound stupid, it was stupid. But the vast majority of the population went along with it obediently like good little sheep. I'm sure even the government(s) were surprised at the unquestioning compliance to made-up-on-the-hoof-and-constantly-changing diktats from on high, masquerading as considered scientific discourse.
Masks are not required.
Masks are essential.
A Chinese-style lockdown will not be required.
Everyone stay in your homes.
Social distancing 2 metres.
1.5 metres.
1 metre.
15 million jabs to freedom!
The jabs prevent transmission.
There are zero side effects.
Take another jab.
Have a booster.
Safe and effective.
We never said they would prevent transmission.
These side effects are nothing to do with the jabs.
It's not a side effect, it's Long Covid.
Only go out for one hour's essential exercise once a day, no more than 5 miles from your home.
A cup of coffee whilst walking constitutes a picnic and will see you fined.
Gyms and leisure centres are virus hotspots, but chip shops and takeaways are safe.
Only eight people from three households are allowed to gather in one place. Or is it six from two? Cross the border and it changes, because Science.
Open all windows and doors in an enclosed space in the depths of winter to prevent illness.
Elderly and vulnerable people should be contained and isolated away from human contact, and prevented from seeing loved ones, for their health and wellbeing.
But yeah. The problem wasn't the insane policies. They were all perfectly reasonable. It was the unexpected fringe circumstances like two people meeting in a remote observatory.
I suspect a lot of people were following guidance / rules because they came from the government and experts. It was an unknown virus, most people knew f
k all about, so in those scenarios you look to leaders to provide information and help you get through. Given the fact things were evolving all the time, new information every day, lots of misinformation via social media. No wonder people were ‘good little sheep’ in your mind.
Challo said:
Good little sheep? You’re coming across quite condescending.
I suspect a lot of people were following guidance / rules because they came from the government and experts. It was an unknown virus, most people knew fk all about, so in those scenarios you look to leaders to provide information and help you get through.
Given the fact things were evolving all the time, new information every day, lots of misinformation via social media. No wonder people were ‘good little sheep’ in your mind.
Well, best hope nothing happens anytime soon that requires such blind faith in our leadership again, being as it was gratuitously and cynically abused by the fI suspect a lot of people were following guidance / rules because they came from the government and experts. It was an unknown virus, most people knew f
k all about, so in those scenarios you look to leaders to provide information and help you get through. Given the fact things were evolving all the time, new information every day, lots of misinformation via social media. No wonder people were ‘good little sheep’ in your mind.
kers. As is becoming quite clear for all to see (if they want to look).Challo said:
Good little sheep? You’re coming across quite condescending.
I suspect a lot of people were following guidance / rules because they came from the government and experts. It was an unknown virus, most people knew fk all about, so in those scenarios you look to leaders to provide information and help you get through.
Given the fact things were evolving all the time, new information every day, lots of misinformation via social media. No wonder people were ‘good little sheep’ in your mind.
Bloody hell. Are there really people who still think like this???I suspect a lot of people were following guidance / rules because they came from the government and experts. It was an unknown virus, most people knew f
k all about, so in those scenarios you look to leaders to provide information and help you get through. Given the fact things were evolving all the time, new information every day, lots of misinformation via social media. No wonder people were ‘good little sheep’ in your mind.
It was completely obvious from the Diamond Princess.
Pupp said:
Challo said:
Good little sheep? You’re coming across quite condescending.
I suspect a lot of people were following guidance / rules because they came from the government and experts. It was an unknown virus, most people knew fk all about, so in those scenarios you look to leaders to provide information and help you get through.
Given the fact things were evolving all the time, new information every day, lots of misinformation via social media. No wonder people were ‘good little sheep’ in your mind.
Well, best hope nothing happens anytime soon that requires such blind faith in our leadership again, being as it was gratuitously and cynically abused by the fI suspect a lot of people were following guidance / rules because they came from the government and experts. It was an unknown virus, most people knew f
k all about, so in those scenarios you look to leaders to provide information and help you get through. Given the fact things were evolving all the time, new information every day, lots of misinformation via social media. No wonder people were ‘good little sheep’ in your mind.
kers. As is becoming quite clear for all to see (if they want to look).Biker 1 said:
Challo said:
Good little sheep? You’re coming across quite condescending.
I suspect a lot of people were following guidance / rules because they came from the government and experts. It was an unknown virus, most people knew fk all about, so in those scenarios you look to leaders to provide information and help you get through.
Given the fact things were evolving all the time, new information every day, lots of misinformation via social media. No wonder people were ‘good little sheep’ in your mind.
Bloody hell. Are there really people who still think like this???I suspect a lot of people were following guidance / rules because they came from the government and experts. It was an unknown virus, most people knew f
k all about, so in those scenarios you look to leaders to provide information and help you get through. Given the fact things were evolving all the time, new information every day, lots of misinformation via social media. No wonder people were ‘good little sheep’ in your mind.
It was completely obvious from the Diamond Princess.
Re the bold above. One, if not my first, comment back on the original covid thread was when I watched the coaches with the casually dressed 'shirt-sleeved' drivers each with a full-on Hazmat-suited person sat next to them, leave the Brize Norton airbase near me.
An 'unknown' highly deadly virus we were told. The coaches all about to be driven over 160 miles 'oop north'. When I got back home I posted on here 'None of this seems to add up. What the f
k is really going on?' Challo said:
Good little sheep? You’re coming across quite condescending.
I suspect a lot of people were following guidance / rules because they came from the government and experts. It was an unknown virus, most people knew fk all about, so in those scenarios you look to leaders to provide information and help you get through.
Given the fact things were evolving all the time, new information every day, lots of misinformation via social media. No wonder people were ‘good little sheep’ in your mind.
I don’t blame people like yourself, it’s a lifetime of habitually watching the TV and radio for “news”, but if you’d just done the complete opposite and switched off, you and everyone else would at worst be none the wiser and be much happier, healthier and wealthier. I suspect a lot of people were following guidance / rules because they came from the government and experts. It was an unknown virus, most people knew f
k all about, so in those scenarios you look to leaders to provide information and help you get through. Given the fact things were evolving all the time, new information every day, lots of misinformation via social media. No wonder people were ‘good little sheep’ in your mind.
A lot was known about this “virus” very early on, but people were not being listened to. The only misinformation was coming direct from Downing Street every single bloody day. All I can hope is that you and others like you have learned a valuable lesson that we will not repeat.
dandarez said:
Challo perhaps should change his username to Shallow?
Re the bold above. One, if not my first, comment back on the original covid thread was when I watched the coaches with the casually dressed 'shirt-sleeved' drivers each with a full-on Hazmat-suited person sat next to them, leave the Brize Norton airbase near me.
An 'unknown' highly deadly virus we were told. The coaches all about to be driven over 160 miles 'oop north'. When I got back home I posted on here 'None of this seems to add up. What the fk is really going on?'
Absolutely nothing made sense, you turned on the TV/radio and got one thing, looked out the window and got the complete opposite. It was pure gaslighting, criminally so. Re the bold above. One, if not my first, comment back on the original covid thread was when I watched the coaches with the casually dressed 'shirt-sleeved' drivers each with a full-on Hazmat-suited person sat next to them, leave the Brize Norton airbase near me.
An 'unknown' highly deadly virus we were told. The coaches all about to be driven over 160 miles 'oop north'. When I got back home I posted on here 'None of this seems to add up. What the f
k is really going on?' B'stard Child said:
bodhi said:
Interesting read from Martin Kulldorff, who sadly appears to have been let go from his position at Harvard for his position on Vaccine Mandates.
https://www.city-journal.org/article/harvard-tramp...
Struggled to disagree with what he said at the time, now two years later it seems even more unforgivable.....
Very good article - thanks for sharinghttps://www.city-journal.org/article/harvard-tramp...
Struggled to disagree with what he said at the time, now two years later it seems even more unforgivable.....
Kulldorff is the opposite of an anti-vaxxer. He is one of the USAs leading experts in vaccine safety. In the article he is describing the insanity of an unarguable expert being bullied into saying things he knows to be incorrect, by a baying mob that is clearly caught up in mass hysteria, and wilfully ignorant to basic facts.
This is the tweet that he says got him fired as a Harvard professor:
Martin Kulldorff said:
Thinking that everyone must be vaccinated is as scientifically flawed as thinking that nobody should. COVID vaccines are important for older high-risk people and their care-takers. Those with prior natural infection do not need it. Nor children.
This is a statement that is self evidently true. In fact it reflects where the UK ended up on recommendations for COVID vaccines. The problem for Kulldorff is that, at the time he said this, all of the Ivy League Universities were mandating vaccines for young healthy students. They continued this long after it became clear that Kulldorff was right. In fact they only ended it in the last few weeks. They required young healthy students to take repeat boosters knowing that these had no real impact on the transmission of COVID disease and that the people being forced to take them gained little or no benefit. In that context, his mischievous attempt to claim a religious exemption rings incredibly true:
Martin Kulldorff said:
Having had COVID disease, I have stronger longer lasting immunity than those vaccinated (Gazit et al). Lacking scientific rationale, vaccine mandates are religious dogma, and I request a religious exemption from COVID vaccination.
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