CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 19)

[B'stard Child]

119 said:

B'stard Child said:

I know you are trolling……

I will state her that I was amazed that this thread in the first 5 volumes wasn’t targeted but I guess a motoring forum with a section that isn’t searchable was a lot harder to discover - Facebook, Twitter, Youtube - well they were heavily moderated for not complying with “the one truth from the source that you can trust”

No trolling here.

There is still a fair bit of it on Facebook and YouTube, even the forum favourite John Campbell is still posting videos I believe?

Some considerable time has elapsed - I was fairly specific that the censuring at the time was far more draconian than it is now

[r3g]

119 said:

No trolling here.

[119]

r3g said:

119 said:

No trolling here.

[Roderick Spode]

B'stard Child said:

119 said:

B'stard Child said:

I know you are trolling……

I will state her that I was amazed that this thread in the first 5 volumes wasn’t targeted but I guess a motoring forum with a section that isn’t searchable was a lot harder to discover - Facebook, Twitter, Youtube - well they were heavily moderated for not complying with “the one truth from the source that you can trust”

No trolling here.

There is still a fair bit of it on Facebook and YouTube, even the forum favourite John Campbell is still posting videos I believe?

Some considerable time has elapsed - I was fairly specific that the censuring at the time was far more draconian than it is now

I recall various nascent vaccine harms pages on Faceache, one in particular with over half a million members and posting dozens of new messages daily of people all reporting very similar side effects of the 'safe and effective'. There appeared to be a consistent narrative forming around the harms not otherwise reported by the media or the medical profession, until it all became too much & FB pulled it, or were forced to pull it & other such groups. A similar scenario played out on Twitter. In recent times it came to light that the US Administration leaned on social media companies to self censor their content against 'disinformation' using heavy handed mob tactics - "nice company you have there, be a shame if anything happened to it..."

But yeah. Absolutely nothing to be seen here. All benevolent and well intentioned governments around the world, all parroting the same message, all shutting down dissenting voices online for Orwellian control our own protection. To quote Jacinta the pantomime horse - "the government should be your only source of truth..."

[Elysium]

Really interesting article here on the way that the approach to the potential pandemic shifted internationally on the 27th Feb 2020. The author advances a theory I have read previously, that this signalled a change from ordinary public health messaging to something more akin to a bioterrorism response:

https://brownstone.org/articles/february-27-2020-t...

It’s interesting that this involves people who tried to bury the lab leak theory and were likely to have the clearest insight on possible man made origins of the virus.

Was there a coordinated security service intervention? I guess we may never know, but it is at least plausible,

[Pupp]

Thanks for posting that; it’s an interesting and seemingly well-written article, albeit it will inevitably be dismissed as being partisan and biased given its platform.

We’ll never really know what occurred but it’s beyond clear all was not as presented in the official response.

[jameswills]

They saw what they wanted to see, whether it was a push or pull reaction, it was well known they did a pandemic planning the year before as mentioned in that article and became fixated on Disease X. Any sniffle coming up after that and they were primed to jump at it and all be war heroes for real. Again, I am not presuming any push or pull event, I’d probably err on my theory it was all hysteria. That article backs that up for me. Whether China or another agent instigated that knowing what it would do is another thing entirely.

[superlightr]

Elysium said:

Really interesting article here on the way that the approach to the potential pandemic shifted internationally on the 27th Feb 2020. The author advances a theory I have read previously, that this signalled a change from ordinary public health messaging to something more akin to a bioterrorism response:

https://brownstone.org/articles/february-27-2020-t...

It’s interesting that this involves people who tried to bury the lab leak theory and were likely to have the clearest insight on possible man made origins of the virus.

Was there a coordinated security service intervention? I guess we may never know, but it is at least plausible,

Yep there was a switch pretty much when BOJO wnt to hospital. Dont know the date of that. Its also clear tome that that thought it was a bioweapon and hence why they didnt disclose and pushed as hard as they did. They cant blame China as France and USA were also involved plus would likely start a war. Hence why no blame to anyone.

[119]

superlightr said:

Elysium said:

Really interesting article here on the way that the approach to the potential pandemic shifted internationally on the 27th Feb 2020. The author advances a theory I have read previously, that this signalled a change from ordinary public health messaging to something more akin to a bioterrorism response:

https://brownstone.org/articles/february-27-2020-t...

It’s interesting that this involves people who tried to bury the lab leak theory and were likely to have the clearest insight on possible man made origins of the virus.

Was there a coordinated security service intervention? I guess we may never know, but it is at least plausible,

Yep there was a switch pretty much when BOJO wnt to hospital. Dont know the date of that. Its also clear tome that that thought it was a bioweapon and hence why they didnt disclose and pushed as hard as they did. They cant blame China as France and USA were also involved plus would likely start a war. Hence why no blame to anyone.

If it was supposed to be a bio weapon they made a fking poor job of it

[jameswills]

119 said:

If it was supposed to be a bio weapon they made a fking poor job of it

If the bio weapon was the media manipulation causing the economic collapse of the West, then it’s working quite well!

[bodhi]

Interesting read from Martin Kulldorff, who sadly appears to have been let go from his position at Harvard for his position on Vaccine Mandates.

https://www.city-journal.org/article/harvard-tramp...

Struggled to disagree with what he said at the time, now two years later it seems even more unforgivable.....

[Roderick Spode]

Had an online meeting this evening with research institute types regarding animal welfare, and specifically around the notification & control of disease. When asked about the rollout of policy & notifications, several of the respondents said something to the effect of "no way, I don't trust government at all when it comes to disease control or policy."

To which the researchers replied "yeah, we're hearing that a lot from all the groups so far."

[g4ry13]

Roderick Spode said:

Had an online meeting this evening with research institute types regarding animal welfare, and specifically around the notification & control of disease. When asked about the rollout of policy & notifications, several of the respondents said something to the effect of "no way, I don't trust government at all when it comes to disease control or policy."

To which the researchers replied "yeah, we're hearing that a lot from all the groups so far."

Of those respondents, I wonder how many dutifully rolled up their sleeves for the jab.

[B'stard Child]

bodhi said:

Interesting read from Martin Kulldorff, who sadly appears to have been let go from his position at Harvard for his position on Vaccine Mandates.

https://www.city-journal.org/article/harvard-tramp...

Struggled to disagree with what he said at the time, now two years later it seems even more unforgivable.....

Very good article - thanks for sharing

[mko9]

It blows my mind sometimes to be reminded of the idiotic extremes we went to during Covid. I was sat at the dentist office, flipping through a National Geographic from March 2021. There was an article about Mars, and the author talks about how he had to get special permission to go to the University of Virginia observatory because it was closed to the public due to Covid. Really?! We can't have two people in a big empty building with the roof open out in the middle of nowhere because Covids? WTF did they think was going to happen??

[Challo]

mko9 said:

It blows my mind sometimes to be reminded of the idiotic extremes we went to during Covid. I was sat at the dentist office, flipping through a National Geographic from March 2021. There was an article about Mars, and the author talks about how he had to get special permission to go to the University of Virginia observatory because it was closed to the public due to Covid. Really?! We can't have two people in a big empty building with the roof open out in the middle of nowhere because Covids? WTF did they think was going to happen??

I get it sounds stupid, but the issue is that rules needed to be put in place but unfortunately its very much a one size fits all approach, which in practice doesn't work.

Therefore you have lots of stupid situations like the one you mentioned because of said rules.

[RSTurboPaul]

Challo said:

mko9 said:

It blows my mind sometimes to be reminded of the idiotic extremes we went to during Covid. I was sat at the dentist office, flipping through a National Geographic from March 2021. There was an article about Mars, and the author talks about how he had to get special permission to go to the University of Virginia observatory because it was closed to the public due to Covid. Really?! We can't have two people in a big empty building with the roof open out in the middle of nowhere because Covids? WTF did they think was going to happen??

I get it sounds stupid, but the issue is that rules needed to be put in place but unfortunately its very much a one size fits all approach, which in practice doesn't work.

Therefore you have lots of stupid situations like the one you mentioned because of said rules.

[citation needed]

[Roderick Spode]

RSTurboPaul said:

Challo said:

mko9 said:

It blows my mind sometimes to be reminded of the idiotic extremes we went to during Covid. I was sat at the dentist office, flipping through a National Geographic from March 2021. There was an article about Mars, and the author talks about how he had to get special permission to go to the University of Virginia observatory because it was closed to the public due to Covid. Really?! We can't have two people in a big empty building with the roof open out in the middle of nowhere because Covids? WTF did they think was going to happen??

I get it sounds stupid, but the issue is that rules needed to be put in place but unfortunately its very much a one size fits all approach, which in practice doesn't work.

Therefore you have lots of stupid situations like the one you mentioned because of said rules.

[citation needed]

Political orthodoxy - "Something needs to be done; this is something, therefore we must do it."

The rules as proposed implemented were overbearing and nonsensical, cheered on by the social media Karens - but yeah, the fringe situations were definitely the problem and not the idiotic rules

But it wasn't even the fringe situations that were idiotic - I recall the pantomime of people in the office sitting at their desks sans bit of cloth from Etsy with cats on it life saving face covering, then getting up to make a coffee or go to speak with someone and religiously putting on said face covering. Very clever virus, that doesn't exist at all below four feet off the ground. Or the logic-defying cretinous stupidity of watching punters in a pub putting on their bit of cloth to go for a wizz, or being refused a round of drinks unless they were purchased with a 'substantial' meal. Incredibly clever virus, stays away from foodstuffs, but only dependent on the scale of comestibles offered. Packet of crisps - instant infection. Plate of chips - repels viruses. Amazing The Science.

It doesn't just sound stupid, it was stupid. But the vast majority of the population went along with it obediently like good little sheep. I'm sure even the government(s) were surprised at the unquestioning compliance to made-up-on-the-hoof-and-constantly-changing diktats from on high, masquerading as considered scientific discourse.

Masks are not required.
Masks are essential.
A Chinese-style lockdown will not be required.
Everyone stay in your homes.
Social distancing 2 metres.
1.5 metres.
1 metre.
15 million jabs to freedom!
The jabs prevent transmission.
There are zero side effects.
Take another jab.
Have a booster.
Safe and effective.
We never said they would prevent transmission.
These side effects are nothing to do with the jabs.
It's not a side effect, it's Long Covid.
Only go out for one hour's essential exercise once a day, no more than 5 miles from your home.
A cup of coffee whilst walking constitutes a picnic and will see you fined.
Gyms and leisure centres are virus hotspots, but chip shops and takeaways are safe.
Only eight people from three households are allowed to gather in one place. Or is it six from two? Cross the border and it changes, because Science.
Open all windows and doors in an enclosed space in the depths of winter to prevent illness.
Elderly and vulnerable people should be contained and isolated away from human contact, and prevented from seeing loved ones, for their health and wellbeing.

But yeah. The problem wasn't the insane policies. They were all perfectly reasonable. It was the unexpected fringe circumstances like two people meeting in a remote observatory.

[isaldiri]

Challo said:

I get it sounds stupid, but the issue is that rules needed to be put in place but unfortunately its very much a one size fits all approach, which in practice doesn't work.

Therefore you have lots of stupid situations like the one you mentioned because of said rules.

Given rather a lot of people (as regularly seen here) were regularly chucking insults at others who were pointing out the absurdity and ludicrousness of said rules and other government actions, clearly those peope weren't finding them quite as stupid as you imply per above.....

[r3g]

From another thread. They're srill out there

captain_cynic said:

Giving the benefit of the doubt that the [OP] didn't just want to start a mask debate (they did work, one of the reasons we don't need them any more)...

4 years on and they're still trotting out this BS.