CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 19)
Discussion
Roderick Spode said:
Bigger question is - why was an otherwise (presumably) perfectly healthy 15 year old getting jabbed in the first place?
Because the parent I was talking to advised him to (because he was strongly given to believe at the time that it was the right thing to do). Something he's now having to live with...But also, for many, it was to protect Granny. Getting the jab would stop them from giving Covid to her, they were told.
Plus all the other reasons above.
jameswills said:
I think if they simply looked at the ingredients of any vaccine they’d never ingest it let alone inject it. We’ve just bred a nation of simple sheep for the last 100 years based on absolutely nothing.
Do you mean any Covid vaccine, or any vaccine at all? Surely you're not suggesting that, say, MMR vaccines should be avoided?As for "simple sheep", that's rather harsh I think. I looked up the ingredients of the Pfizer Covid vaccine: the active ingredient is something called Tozinameran. Err, OK, that means nothing to me. Neither does (4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate), otherwise known as ALC-0315.
In reality, we place our trust in doctors and organisations like the MHRA to judge the safety of medicines on our behalf. That system may not be perfect, but relying on it does not make us a "nation of simple sheep" in my opinion.
Hants PHer said:
Do you mean any Covid vaccine, or any vaccine at all? Surely you're not suggesting that, say, MMR vaccines should be avoided?
As for "simple sheep", that's rather harsh I think. I looked up the ingredients of the Pfizer Covid vaccine: the active ingredient is something called Tozinameran. Err, OK, that means nothing to me. Neither does (4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate), otherwise known as ALC-0315.
In reality, we place our trust in doctors and organisations like the MHRA to judge the safety of medicines on our behalf. That system may not be perfect, but relying on it does not make us a "nation of simple sheep" in my opinion.
Agreed but some of that trust has been severely damaged by all the lies told during Covid, which the medical profession cheerfully went along with.As for "simple sheep", that's rather harsh I think. I looked up the ingredients of the Pfizer Covid vaccine: the active ingredient is something called Tozinameran. Err, OK, that means nothing to me. Neither does (4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate), otherwise known as ALC-0315.
In reality, we place our trust in doctors and organisations like the MHRA to judge the safety of medicines on our behalf. That system may not be perfect, but relying on it does not make us a "nation of simple sheep" in my opinion.
Hants PHer said:
Do you mean any Covid vaccine, or any vaccine at all? Surely you're not suggesting that, say, MMR vaccines should be avoided?
As for "simple sheep", that's rather harsh I think. I looked up the ingredients of the Pfizer Covid vaccine: the active ingredient is something called Tozinameran. Err, OK, that means nothing to me. Neither does (4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate), otherwise known as ALC-0315.
In reality, we place our trust in doctors and organisations like the MHRA to judge the safety of medicines on our behalf. That system may not be perfect, but relying on it does not make us a "nation of simple sheep" in my opinion.
Any. Look up HEK 293, that’s an interesting ingredient, there are loads that are not just one ingredient, but many in themselves so you can’t actually tell what you’re getting injected with. At your next vaccination, ask your nurse/doctor what is exactly in it, and can they confirm that none of what is in there will cause you harm?As for "simple sheep", that's rather harsh I think. I looked up the ingredients of the Pfizer Covid vaccine: the active ingredient is something called Tozinameran. Err, OK, that means nothing to me. Neither does (4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate), otherwise known as ALC-0315.
In reality, we place our trust in doctors and organisations like the MHRA to judge the safety of medicines on our behalf. That system may not be perfect, but relying on it does not make us a "nation of simple sheep" in my opinion.
I think if you haven’t learned how absolutely corrupt and pretty evil this industry is from the past 4 years and you’re still relying on doctors and organisations such as you mention, then nothing I will say will make you think otherwise. I don’t think sheep is harsh at all, I count myself one of them for the last 40 odd years, it’s taken me a long while to “wake up”. And it’s a process, there’s no switch.
zarjaz1991 said:
True of many foods as well.
With vaccines though, the theory is that the benefits outweigh the risks.
That’s the message sold yes, when you deep dive into it, it’s at best nonsense, at worst it’s the opposite and has cause untold deaths and long term health problems. I’ve been looking into this now for ages, it’s not off the back of some Russell Brand 5 min YouTube video, before that gets thrown at me.With vaccines though, the theory is that the benefits outweigh the risks.
And yes foods is a bit of a nightmare too, I try not to think hard about that one, else I think I’d go a bit mad
Not sure what got me thinking about it again, but was COVID particular special in terms of the extremes in its range of outcomes? Or were these extremes simply rhetoric which gained traction and followed bad data?
On one hand we had the '2 poison jellybeans' analogy representing the early estimated 98% fatality rate. At the same time the idea of asymptomatic spread was leveraged to encourage people to stay at home. That figure was that 1/3 will have no symptoms at all. Of course the same people believed both sets of statistics.
So if we grade the outcomes from 1 to 10 with 10 being death, even going by the erroneous mortality figures, correct my maths if I'm wrong, that puts the average severity at 3.58 which I'd say it about the equivalent of a standard cold.
On one hand we had the '2 poison jellybeans' analogy representing the early estimated 98% fatality rate. At the same time the idea of asymptomatic spread was leveraged to encourage people to stay at home. That figure was that 1/3 will have no symptoms at all. Of course the same people believed both sets of statistics.
So if we grade the outcomes from 1 to 10 with 10 being death, even going by the erroneous mortality figures, correct my maths if I'm wrong, that puts the average severity at 3.58 which I'd say it about the equivalent of a standard cold.
Hants PHer said:
jameswills said:
I think if they simply looked at the ingredients of any vaccine they’d never ingest it let alone inject it. We’ve just bred a nation of simple sheep for the last 100 years based on absolutely nothing.
Do you mean any Covid vaccine, or any vaccine at all? Surely you're not suggesting that, say, MMR vaccines should be avoided?As for "simple sheep", that's rather harsh I think. I looked up the ingredients of the Pfizer Covid vaccine: the active ingredient is something called Tozinameran. Err, OK, that means nothing to me. Neither does (4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate), otherwise known as ALC-0315.
In reality, we place our trust in doctors and organisations like the MHRA to judge the safety of medicines on our behalf. That system may not be perfect, but relying on it does not make us a "nation of simple sheep" in my opinion.
I said at the time that based on my risk profile, I would wait until the trials ended before considering and if that meant missing out on travel and events then so be it - still managed travel!
In terms of the “sheep” aspect, it will always amaze me that so many people who previous didn’t trust politicians suddenly went along with it all without thinking about any issues at all.
r3g said:
Boringvolvodriver said:
mko9 said:
We actually threw people out of the military who refused to get vaccinated. Now on the one hand there is the whole following orders bit. But on the other hand, you are talking about a group who are in their late teens and twenties, who are generally healthier than their equivalent civilian counterpart, and who we have invested untold amounts of time and money training. But we should just flush that away because they won't take a vaccine that neither prevents them from catching Covid nor from spreading Covid.
When you put it like that, it should be pretty clear to all that the vaccine mandates were absolute stupidity. One can’t help but wonder what was going through the minds of those who decided to impose such things……They all feed into one another, and whilst getting rich, AND being popular, why stop?
zarjaz1991 said:
True of many foods as well.
With vaccines though, the theory is that the benefits outweigh the risks.
The sugar tax is a nightmare - everything has aspartame in now, or maybe stevia if you're lucky. Plus a lot of other emulsifiers and god know what else... I'd rather drink a drink with actual sugar in!With vaccines though, the theory is that the benefits outweigh the risks.
jameswills said:
zarjaz1991 said:
True of many foods as well.
With vaccines though, the theory is that the benefits outweigh the risks.
That’s the message sold yes, when you deep dive into it, it’s at best nonsense, at worst it’s the opposite and has cause untold deaths and long term health problems. I’ve been looking into this now for ages, it’s not off the back of some Russell Brand 5 min YouTube video, before that gets thrown at me.With vaccines though, the theory is that the benefits outweigh the risks.
And yes foods is a bit of a nightmare too, I try not to think hard about that one, else I think I’d go a bit mad
Genuinely though do you think your life is better or worse for spending time researching vaccines?
RemarkLima said:
The sugar tax is a nightmare - everything has aspartame in now, or maybe stevia if you're lucky. Plus a lot of other emulsifiers and god know what else... I'd rather drink a drink with actual sugar in!
We've gone full circle on butter v margarine so here's hoping see natural stuff is usual better as long as it's not by the kilo. It's crazy drinks like San Pelegrino have had to switch to stevia. Jam obviously can't be made without sugar so why not leave it alone?pork911 said:
jameswills said:
zarjaz1991 said:
True of many foods as well.
With vaccines though, the theory is that the benefits outweigh the risks.
That’s the message sold yes, when you deep dive into it, it’s at best nonsense, at worst it’s the opposite and has cause untold deaths and long term health problems. I’ve been looking into this now for ages, it’s not off the back of some Russell Brand 5 min YouTube video, before that gets thrown at me.With vaccines though, the theory is that the benefits outweigh the risks.
And yes foods is a bit of a nightmare too, I try not to think hard about that one, else I think I’d go a bit mad
Genuinely though do you think your life is better or worse for spending time researching vaccines?
Telegraph: We saved lives by prolonging school closures in pandemic, say teachers
National Education Union submits conference motion saying it forced Government to change policy during Covid crisis
https://archive.ph/E1GRV
I hope you're all grateful.
National Education Union submits conference motion saying it forced Government to change policy during Covid crisis
https://archive.ph/E1GRV
I hope you're all grateful.
gareth_r said:
Telegraph: We saved lives by prolonging school closures in pandemic, say teachers
National Education Union submits conference motion saying it forced Government to change policy during Covid crisis
https://archive.ph/E1GRV
I hope you're all grateful.
Words fail me really - especially when you hear about and see the effects that the closures had on children, especially those that are disadvantaged. National Education Union submits conference motion saying it forced Government to change policy during Covid crisis
https://archive.ph/E1GRV
I hope you're all grateful.
Yet more evidence of how the government were clearly influenced by all and sundry and didn’t have the ability to stand their ground.
gareth_r said:
Telegraph: We saved lives by prolonging school closures in pandemic, say teachers
National Education Union submits conference motion saying it forced Government to change policy during Covid crisis
https://archive.ph/E1GRV
I hope you're all grateful.
As my teachers would say: "show me your working"National Education Union submits conference motion saying it forced Government to change policy during Covid crisis
https://archive.ph/E1GRV
I hope you're all grateful.
RSTurboPaul said:
pork911 said:
jameswills said:
zarjaz1991 said:
True of many foods as well.
With vaccines though, the theory is that the benefits outweigh the risks.
That’s the message sold yes, when you deep dive into it, it’s at best nonsense, at worst it’s the opposite and has cause untold deaths and long term health problems. I’ve been looking into this now for ages, it’s not off the back of some Russell Brand 5 min YouTube video, before that gets thrown at me.With vaccines though, the theory is that the benefits outweigh the risks.
And yes foods is a bit of a nightmare too, I try not to think hard about that one, else I think I’d go a bit mad
Genuinely though do you think your life is better or worse for spending time researching vaccines?
pork911 said:
jameswills said:
zarjaz1991 said:
True of many foods as well.
With vaccines though, the theory is that the benefits outweigh the risks.
That’s the message sold yes, when you deep dive into it, it’s at best nonsense, at worst it’s the opposite and has cause untold deaths and long term health problems. I’ve been looking into this now for ages, it’s not off the back of some Russell Brand 5 min YouTube video, before that gets thrown at me.With vaccines though, the theory is that the benefits outweigh the risks.
And yes foods is a bit of a nightmare too, I try not to think hard about that one, else I think I’d go a bit mad
Genuinely though do you think your life is better or worse for spending time researching vaccines?
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