CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 19)

[Hants PHer]

Roderick Spode said:

I remember the lunatics on social media who took great delight & pride in showing off their pre-teen kids, whom the parents had offered up for medical experimentation to receive these jabs without official approval. It went something like "So proud of (name) and (name), they have been asking for weeks when they could have the vaccines (sic) so they can go visit their sick grandmother. Well, today was the day! We're so happy..." (insert sycophantic picture).

Ah well. What's a bit of teenage myocarditis between friends?

I have always thought that there was no need for those outside of high risk groups - the elderly and those with certain health conditions - to have the vaccines. The risk to, for example, healthy under-25's was negligible, hence no need for a vaccine - especially if a link between the vaccine and myocarditis was known.

However, so much of what happened during the pandemic was driven by irrational behaviour by (inter alia) those on social media, by employers and by various levels of government. My own perfectly heathy 21 year old daughter told me she was getting vaccinated. "Why?" I said, "You don't need it, you're at no significant risk from Covid." "Yeah I know" she said, "But work are insisting that everyone gets it". She worked as a restaurant manager at the time and the bosses were, apparently, keen to ensure customers were as protected as possible. Not that the vaccine prevented infection, but never mind that.

So millions of healthy young people were 'persuaded' to have a vaccine they didn't need, that wouldn't stop them getting the Covid virus anyway and that might expose them to side effects. Presumably at great financial cost to us all, judging by Pfizer's profits. You couldn't make it up, really.

[andyA700]

Ari said:

Talking to a chap recently who's (then) 15 year old son developed POTS (Postural tachycardia syndrome (PoTS) is when your heart rate increases very quickly after getting up from sitting or lying down. It's also known as postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome) within two weeks of getting jabbed. But he's been assured by the doctor dealing with the case (two years on, son is still on medication) that it's just a coincidence...

There seem to be an awful lot of this kind of coincidence. But perhaps that's just a coincidence...

I thought in March 2021, just 3 weeks after having my first AZ jab, that I had Long Covid. After having an ECG in late 2022 (which was "abnormal" and had the words Myocardial Infarction), then did some investigating. In the last 6 weeks I have found the ADR's (Adverse Drug Reaction) for the worst Astra Zeneca batches. My one, batch PV46664 is at the very top.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/641...

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/641...

https://findothers.com/campaign/families-fighting-...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_6Z8DLvJw0

[Unreal]

Hants PHer said:

Roderick Spode said:

I remember the lunatics on social media who took great delight & pride in showing off their pre-teen kids, whom the parents had offered up for medical experimentation to receive these jabs without official approval. It went something like "So proud of (name) and (name), they have been asking for weeks when they could have the vaccines (sic) so they can go visit their sick grandmother. Well, today was the day! We're so happy..." (insert sycophantic picture).

Ah well. What's a bit of teenage myocarditis between friends?

I have always thought that there was no need for those outside of high risk groups - the elderly and those with certain health conditions - to have the vaccines. The risk to, for example, healthy under-25's was negligible, hence no need for a vaccine - especially if a link between the vaccine and myocarditis was known.

However, so much of what happened during the pandemic was driven by irrational behaviour by (inter alia) those on social media, by employers and by various levels of government. My own perfectly heathy 21 year old daughter told me she was getting vaccinated. "Why?" I said, "You don't need it, you're at no significant risk from Covid." "Yeah I know" she said, "But work are insisting that everyone gets it". She worked as a restaurant manager at the time and the bosses were, apparently, keen to ensure customers were as protected as possible. Not that the vaccine prevented infection, but never mind that.

So millions of healthy young people were 'persuaded' to have a vaccine they didn't need, that wouldn't stop them getting the Covid virus anyway and that might expose them to side effects. Presumably at great financial cost to us all, judging by Pfizer's profits. You couldn't make it up, really.

Large numbers of young people got it done because of the travel restrictions being widely imposed. Just as many were coerced into it in work situations. Absolutely bonkers and unforgiveable that the charade was maintained for as long as it was.

[RSTurboPaul]

andyA700 said:

Ari said:

Talking to a chap recently who's (then) 15 year old son developed POTS (Postural tachycardia syndrome (PoTS) is when your heart rate increases very quickly after getting up from sitting or lying down. It's also known as postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome) within two weeks of getting jabbed. But he's been assured by the doctor dealing with the case (two years on, son is still on medication) that it's just a coincidence...

There seem to be an awful lot of this kind of coincidence. But perhaps that's just a coincidence...

I thought in March 2021, just 3 weeks after having my first AZ jab, that I had Long Covid. After having an ECG in late 2022 (which was "abnormal" and had the words Myocardial Infarction), then did some investigating. In the last 6 weeks I have found the ADR's (Adverse Drug Reaction) for the worst Astra Zeneca batches. My one, batch PV46664 is at the very top.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/641...

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/641...

https://findothers.com/campaign/families-fighting-...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_6Z8DLvJw0

I'm sorry to hear that.

Statistician Norman Fenton's wife had that same batch and also did not fair very well:

https://wherearethenumbers.substack.com/p/astrazen...

Somewhere there is a graph showing adverse reactions by batch / time of production but I'm not sure where is it now. IIRC the assertion was that it appeared the products were being 'tweaked' as they went along.

[RemarkLima]

RSTurboPaul said:

Somewhere there is a graph showing adverse reactions by batch / time of production but I'm not sure where is it now. IIRC the assertion was that it appeared the products were being 'tweaked' as they went along.

Which is what you'd want - you'd want tweaks and improvements, process improvements and better QA / QC etc... As you would with any "product". Any faults and defects dealt with, and updates added.

The issue stems from that there was no real informed consent. If "bob" had a brain tumour and had 4 weeks to live, but could try drug A which would be a 10% of life, vs instant and painful death, it'd probably be a yes. If "bob" may get a cold for his age and risk factor, but could take drug B to avoid it, but it may cause heart issues, even if it was 0.000001%, it'd probably be a no.

And before the "no one had to" argument is thrown out there, the pressure to conform was enormous, and our social contract is to conform. This being spurred on by those making fortunes off the back of everything, it's not surprising that greed trumped prudence.

[RSTurboPaul]

Just found these comments on that 'under-vaccinated' study that was in the Lancet the other week:

https://wherearethenumbers.substack.com/p/lancet-p...

https://nakedemperor.substack.com/p/lancet-study-c...

I especially like this bit lol

Naked Emperor substack said:

...

Searching through the supplemental data, they have not separated the unvaccinated data from the under-vaccinated data anywhere.

How can they possibly claim that vaccines have saved lives and hospitalisations when they aren’t comparing the vaccinated against a control group (the unvaccinated).

But they obviously did separate out the data somewhere, it’s just that they won’t tell us. Tucked away at the end of the paragraph in the ‘Discussion’ section is this little snippet:

lancet article said:

Our estimates for the 16–74 years and 75 years and older age groups show that being unvaccinated (strictly maximum dose deficit) was associated with similar or lower hazard ratio for severe COVID-19 outcomes compared with being vaccinated but having a vaccine deficit of at least one dose. This association could be due to vaccine waning and the fact that the most recent dose for those with a vaccine deficit frequently occurred many months before the study start date. The association could also be due to an uncontrolled selection effect for healthier individuals being more likely to be unvaccinated.

Their hidden data shows that being unvaccinated (not under-vaccinated) was associated with a LOWER hazard ratio for severe COVID-19 outcomes compared with the vaccinated (with a vaccine deficit of at least one dose).

[mko9]

Unreal said:

Hants PHer said:

Roderick Spode said:

I remember the lunatics on social media who took great delight & pride in showing off their pre-teen kids, whom the parents had offered up for medical experimentation to receive these jabs without official approval. It went something like "So proud of (name) and (name), they have been asking for weeks when they could have the vaccines (sic) so they can go visit their sick grandmother. Well, today was the day! We're so happy..." (insert sycophantic picture).

Ah well. What's a bit of teenage myocarditis between friends?

I have always thought that there was no need for those outside of high risk groups - the elderly and those with certain health conditions - to have the vaccines. The risk to, for example, healthy under-25's was negligible, hence no need for a vaccine - especially if a link between the vaccine and myocarditis was known.

However, so much of what happened during the pandemic was driven by irrational behaviour by (inter alia) those on social media, by employers and by various levels of government. My own perfectly heathy 21 year old daughter told me she was getting vaccinated. "Why?" I said, "You don't need it, you're at no significant risk from Covid." "Yeah I know" she said, "But work are insisting that everyone gets it". She worked as a restaurant manager at the time and the bosses were, apparently, keen to ensure customers were as protected as possible. Not that the vaccine prevented infection, but never mind that.

So millions of healthy young people were 'persuaded' to have a vaccine they didn't need, that wouldn't stop them getting the Covid virus anyway and that might expose them to side effects. Presumably at great financial cost to us all, judging by Pfizer's profits. You couldn't make it up, really.

Large numbers of young people got it done because of the travel restrictions being widely imposed. Just as many were coerced into it in work situations. Absolutely bonkers and unforgiveable that the charade was maintained for as long as it was.

We actually threw people out of the military who refused to get vaccinated. Now on the one hand there is the whole following orders bit. But on the other hand, you are talking about a group who are in their late teens and twenties, who are generally healthier than their equivalent civilian counterpart, and who we have invested untold amounts of time and money training. But we should just flush that away because they won't take a vaccine that neither prevents them from catching Covid nor from spreading Covid.

[Boringvolvodriver]

mko9 said:

We actually threw people out of the military who refused to get vaccinated. Now on the one hand there is the whole following orders bit. But on the other hand, you are talking about a group who are in their late teens and twenties, who are generally healthier than their equivalent civilian counterpart, and who we have invested untold amounts of time and money training. But we should just flush that away because they won't take a vaccine that neither prevents them from catching Covid nor from spreading Covid.

When you put it like that, it should be pretty clear to all that the vaccine mandates were absolute stupidity. One can’t help but wonder what was going through the minds of those who decided to impose such things……

[r3g]

Boringvolvodriver said:

mko9 said:

We actually threw people out of the military who refused to get vaccinated. Now on the one hand there is the whole following orders bit. But on the other hand, you are talking about a group who are in their late teens and twenties, who are generally healthier than their equivalent civilian counterpart, and who we have invested untold amounts of time and money training. But we should just flush that away because they won't take a vaccine that neither prevents them from catching Covid nor from spreading Covid.

When you put it like that, it should be pretty clear to all that the vaccine mandates were absolute stupidity. One can’t help but wonder what was going through the minds of those who decided to impose such things……

The answer is staring everyone right in the face but few refuse to believe that their government overlords and those who control them can be so evil. It's all just a "coincidence" and "mere incompetence", because that's far more comforting for the plebs who live in a perpetual state of cognitive dissonance. But (very) slowly the plebs are waking up to the realisation that everything they thought was true was actually all lies, that they've been had. Most of the plebs are still in the denial phase on the Kübler-Ross chart.

[alangla]

Unreal said:

Large numbers of young people got it done because of the travel restrictions being widely imposed. Just as many were coerced into it in work situations. Absolutely bonkers and unforgiveable that the charade was maintained for as long as it was.

Bear in mind that in Scotland, if you wanted to go to a concert, football match or nightclub then you had to have had the vaccine, regardless of risk and with no alternative of showing a negative test result. Basically young people here were forced to have it if they wanted to do the sorts of things young people tend to like doing and the SNP were pretty upfront about it being about coercion rather than public health.

Swinney said:

The core purpose of applying the vaccination certification scheme in the first place was to increase take-up of the vaccine.

https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus/covid-passport-schemes-core-purpose-to-increase-vaccination-rate-says-swinney-3452252

[21st Century Man]

I've noticed the return of face coverings whilst out and about, after an absence for a couple of years. None of my business of course, any more than if they were carrying an orange bucket. Several seen each day in Norwich and along the Norfolk coast this week, the strangest was some kids playing on the beach at Southwold, the parents had them masked up.

[jameswills]

Hants PHer said:

I have always thought that there was no need for those outside of high risk groups - the elderly and those with certain health conditions - to have the vaccines. The risk to, for example, healthy under-25's was negligible, hence no need for a vaccine - especially if a link between the vaccine and myocarditis was known.

However, so much of what happened during the pandemic was driven by irrational behaviour by (inter alia) those on social media, by employers and by various levels of government. My own perfectly heathy 21 year old daughter told me she was getting vaccinated. "Why?" I said, "You don't need it, you're at no significant risk from Covid." "Yeah I know" she said, "But work are insisting that everyone gets it". She worked as a restaurant manager at the time and the bosses were, apparently, keen to ensure customers were as protected as possible. Not that the vaccine prevented infection, but never mind that.

So millions of healthy young people were 'persuaded' to have a vaccine they didn't need, that wouldn't stop them getting the Covid virus anyway and that might expose them to side effects. Presumably at great financial cost to us all, judging by Pfizer's profits. You couldn't make it up, really.

I think if they simply looked at the ingredients of any vaccine they’d never ingest it let alone inject it. We’ve just bred a nation of simple sheep for the last 100 years based on absolutely nothing.

[g3org3y]

Skin cancer diagnosis delays caused by lockdowns led to 12,000 years of life lost

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/16/covid-...

[Boringvolvodriver]

g3org3y said:

Skin cancer diagnosis delays caused by lockdowns led to 12,000 years of life lost

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/16/covid-...

Now remind me what that catchy phrase was that was used rather a lot to justify it all………….

O yes “if it saves one life”

[Ari]

Roderick Spode said:

Bigger question is - why was an otherwise (presumably) perfectly healthy 15 year old getting jabbed in the first place?

Because the parent I was talking to advised him to (because he was strongly given to believe at the time that it was the right thing to do). Something he's now having to live with...

But also, for many, it was to protect Granny. Getting the jab would stop them from giving Covid to her, they were told.

Plus all the other reasons above.

[119]

21st Century Man said:

I've noticed the return of face coverings whilst out and about, after an absence for a couple of years.

I haven't seen any at all.

[Hants PHer]

jameswills said:

I think if they simply looked at the ingredients of any vaccine they’d never ingest it let alone inject it. We’ve just bred a nation of simple sheep for the last 100 years based on absolutely nothing.

Do you mean any Covid vaccine, or any vaccine at all? Surely you're not suggesting that, say, MMR vaccines should be avoided?

As for "simple sheep", that's rather harsh I think. I looked up the ingredients of the Pfizer Covid vaccine: the active ingredient is something called Tozinameran. Err, OK, that means nothing to me. Neither does (4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate), otherwise known as ALC-0315.

In reality, we place our trust in doctors and organisations like the MHRA to judge the safety of medicines on our behalf. That system may not be perfect, but relying on it does not make us a "nation of simple sheep" in my opinion.

[zarjaz1991]

Hants PHer said:

Do you mean any Covid vaccine, or any vaccine at all? Surely you're not suggesting that, say, MMR vaccines should be avoided?

As for "simple sheep", that's rather harsh I think. I looked up the ingredients of the Pfizer Covid vaccine: the active ingredient is something called Tozinameran. Err, OK, that means nothing to me. Neither does (4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate), otherwise known as ALC-0315.

In reality, we place our trust in doctors and organisations like the MHRA to judge the safety of medicines on our behalf. That system may not be perfect, but relying on it does not make us a "nation of simple sheep" in my opinion.

Agreed but some of that trust has been severely damaged by all the lies told during Covid, which the medical profession cheerfully went along with.

[jameswills]

Hants PHer said:

Do you mean any Covid vaccine, or any vaccine at all? Surely you're not suggesting that, say, MMR vaccines should be avoided?

As for "simple sheep", that's rather harsh I think. I looked up the ingredients of the Pfizer Covid vaccine: the active ingredient is something called Tozinameran. Err, OK, that means nothing to me. Neither does (4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate), otherwise known as ALC-0315.

In reality, we place our trust in doctors and organisations like the MHRA to judge the safety of medicines on our behalf. That system may not be perfect, but relying on it does not make us a "nation of simple sheep" in my opinion.

Any. Look up HEK 293, that’s an interesting ingredient, there are loads that are not just one ingredient, but many in themselves so you can’t actually tell what you’re getting injected with. At your next vaccination, ask your nurse/doctor what is exactly in it, and can they confirm that none of what is in there will cause you harm?

I think if you haven’t learned how absolutely corrupt and pretty evil this industry is from the past 4 years and you’re still relying on doctors and organisations such as you mention, then nothing I will say will make you think otherwise. I don’t think sheep is harsh at all, I count myself one of them for the last 40 odd years, it’s taken me a long while to “wake up”. And it’s a process, there’s no switch.

[zarjaz1991]

jameswills said:

I think if they simply looked at the ingredients of any vaccine they’d never ingest it

True of many foods as well.

With vaccines though, the theory is that the benefits outweigh the risks.