45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 3
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Atomic12C said:
At least Trump tells it like it is. He doesn't really hide behind a shroud of clever wording and political spinning. (Obviously arguable in some respects, but is this more so or less than previous presidents?)
No he doesn't he LIES about everything. That isn't telling it like it is.Not-The-Messiah said:
Eddie Strohacker said:
Amazing. Everyone is unfair to Donald because he's no oil painting. 
It was more of a observation on Obama who is still seen has a hero. He was in power for 8 years achieved very little and what he did achieve millions voted for someone who made it clear that he would replace most if it. Obama's legacy was that at the end of his term in power the american people where more divided then ever and decided to vote for Trump rather that his recommended successor and his party. But yeah hes got charm and charisma that came across well so its all good.
In my lifetime I can see some of the blue states (the western seaboard) looking to exit the union if the republicans continue to dominate. The red states rely on the blue states, not the other way round (Texas will end up paying for the red states if that happens).
Atomic12C said:
...his presidency should be measured on effectiveness...
So far it's a big fat zero then. There's some hope he can get some meaningful tax reform, GOP must be desperate to achieve something but whether that will feed through to jobs and growth remains to be seen. Before we know it the election circus will start again.Atomic12C said:
He doesn't really hide behind a shroud of clever wording...
I think we can all agree on that.Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 11th November 18:26
Not-The-Messiah said:
It was more of a observation on Obama who is still seen has a hero. He was in power for 8 years achieved very little ..
Yeah what did the romans ever do for us...Passed Health Care Reform, covering 32 million uninsured Americans
Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth amid greatest recession since the Great Depression. Weeks after stimulus went into effect, unemployment claims began to subside. Twelve months later, the private sector began producing more jobs than it was losing, and it has continued to do so for twenty-three straight months, creating a total of nearly 3.7 million new private-sector jobs, of which the donald is still claiming as his work.
He cut the unemployment rate from 10% to 4.7% over six years
in fact so much - https://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/marchapril-...
But yup - you keep believing that
Still - MAGA - Molesting Adolescent Girls Again...
Edited by Byker28i on Saturday 11th November 18:27
Atomic12C said:
I think many people (not pointing the finger at anyone), usually assume a person has to be nice to be effective.
Trump may not be a nice person, but his presidency should be measured on effectiveness. Will he deliver what his people voted for?
I guess it doesn't really matter if he's a bell-slap or if he's a charming polite individual. In the world of politics I think its more about just getting things done and doing them effectively with efficient cost to the taxpayer. (I do think he could handle international diplomacy a lot better though).
People were getting tired of the 'political class' saying one thing, blatantly lying through their smiling teeth and either nothing happening or the opposite what they were saying was happening.
At least Trump tells it like it is. He doesn't really hide behind a shroud of clever wording and political spinning. (Obviously arguable in some respects, but is this more so or less than previous presidents?)
He hasn’t met a single promise, hasn’t the integrity to take responsibility for his nor his subordinates actions, has the oratory skills of a 5 year old (and that’s a disservice to them), he has all the charm of a sea-mine.Trump may not be a nice person, but his presidency should be measured on effectiveness. Will he deliver what his people voted for?
I guess it doesn't really matter if he's a bell-slap or if he's a charming polite individual. In the world of politics I think its more about just getting things done and doing them effectively with efficient cost to the taxpayer. (I do think he could handle international diplomacy a lot better though).
People were getting tired of the 'political class' saying one thing, blatantly lying through their smiling teeth and either nothing happening or the opposite what they were saying was happening.
At least Trump tells it like it is. He doesn't really hide behind a shroud of clever wording and political spinning. (Obviously arguable in some respects, but is this more so or less than previous presidents?)
To suggest Trump / the family business are anything short of an elite within the elite is cretinous, there are less than 2000 billionaires in the world; he is exactly the type of person the whole campaign aimed to rid the US of; you have the crazies who call it the ‘deep’ state, etc and can’t see the blinding truth he is one of them; I mean the man still manages his business whilst directing IS foreign policy and has them stay in his hotels? If that isn’t a self-service?
He is a disposable individual who has manipulated the law to his advantage to destroy SMEs by threatening them into submission or oblivion, he is a bully who has spent his life surrounded by ‘yes-men’ whilst he masquerades as a ‘sucessful’ businessman.
If he, as you say, says it like it is, why all of the lies?
The inefficiency in appointing government jobs?
Why the continuous deflection, misinformation and denial?
O yeah, all fake news isn’t it...
Not-The-Messiah said:
It was more of a observation on Obama who is still seen has a hero. He was in power for 8 years achieved very little and what he did achieve millions voted for someone who made it clear that he would replace most if it.
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What he actually said that he was going to replace it with something "much much better"..
And then, a few months and several failed attempts later he said "Who knew healthcare was so complicated?"
If that alone doesn't show you what an ignorant moron he is, don't worry. There are hundreds of other examples out there, like the "See Through Wall", and Mexicans paying for it...
Countdown said:
Not-The-Messiah said:
It was more of a observation on Obama who is still seen has a hero. He was in power for 8 years achieved very little and what he did achieve millions voted for someone who made it clear that he would replace most if it.
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What he actually said that he was going to replace it with something "much much better"..
And then, a few months and several failed attempts later he said "Who knew healthcare was so complicated?"
If that alone doesn't show you what an ignorant moron he is, don't worry. There are hundreds of other examples out there, like the "See Through Wall", and Mexicans paying for it...
But the trumpettes think that they can follow their glorious leader by just keeping repeating lies over and over until someone might believe it...
Byker28i said:
Countdown said:
Not-The-Messiah said:
It was more of a observation on Obama who is still seen has a hero. He was in power for 8 years achieved very little and what he did achieve millions voted for someone who made it clear that he would replace most if it.
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What he actually said that he was going to replace it with something "much much better"..
And then, a few months and several failed attempts later he said "Who knew healthcare was so complicated?"
If that alone doesn't show you what an ignorant moron he is, don't worry. There are hundreds of other examples out there, like the "See Through Wall", and Mexicans paying for it...
But the trumpettes think that they can follow their glorious leader by just keeping repeating lies over and over until someone might believe it...
Trump promises poor white america that its going to get better just in the same way Obama was a promise to black america. Trump is highly unlikely to achieve it just as Obama didn't help black america and we ended up with things like Black lives matter.
Obama wasn't a bad president just I think Trump isn't as bad as all his haters make out, they are just both typical politicians with their own biased gullible fan clubs.
Not-The-Messiah said:
I'm just as open to the criticism to Trump as i am to someone like Obama. I see Trump is just like every other politician promising the world to gullible people who hope or think they can achieve it.
Trump promises poor white america that its going to get better just in the same way Obama was a promise to black america. Trump is highly unlikely to achieve it just as Obama didn't help black america and we ended up with things like Black lives matter.
Obama wasn't a bad president just I think Trump isn't as bad as all his haters make out, they are just both typical politicians with their own biased gullible fan clubs.
No he’s not as bad as all the haters make out, he’s worse.Trump promises poor white america that its going to get better just in the same way Obama was a promise to black america. Trump is highly unlikely to achieve it just as Obama didn't help black america and we ended up with things like Black lives matter.
Obama wasn't a bad president just I think Trump isn't as bad as all his haters make out, they are just both typical politicians with their own biased gullible fan clubs.
Not-The-Messiah said:
Byker28i said:
Countdown said:
Not-The-Messiah said:
It was more of a observation on Obama who is still seen has a hero. He was in power for 8 years achieved very little and what he did achieve millions voted for someone who made it clear that he would replace most if it.
.
What he actually said that he was going to replace it with something "much much better"..
And then, a few months and several failed attempts later he said "Who knew healthcare was so complicated?"
If that alone doesn't show you what an ignorant moron he is, don't worry. There are hundreds of other examples out there, like the "See Through Wall", and Mexicans paying for it...
But the trumpettes think that they can follow their glorious leader by just keeping repeating lies over and over until someone might believe it...
Trump promises poor white america that its going to get better just in the same way Obama was a promise to black america. Trump is highly unlikely to achieve it just as Obama didn't help black america and we ended up with things like Black lives matter.
Obama wasn't a bad president just I think Trump isn't as bad as all his haters make out, they are just both typical politicians with their own biased gullible fan clubs.
Trump is by every measure terrible..
Just look at how he's missed the boat on the department of energy..
Not only has he not achieved anything even with both other government branches under his party control, entire departments are evaporating...
It'll take several administrations to put it back into order.
Most of this doesn't affect the rest of the world. Climate change yes, economically it'll hurt USA more. Hopefully no crazy wars.
But for Americans it's more bad s
t to deal with in a country that's very very broken. Yet they won't admit that because patriotism...
Just look at how he's missed the boat on the department of energy..
Not only has he not achieved anything even with both other government branches under his party control, entire departments are evaporating...
It'll take several administrations to put it back into order.
Most of this doesn't affect the rest of the world. Climate change yes, economically it'll hurt USA more. Hopefully no crazy wars.
But for Americans it's more bad s
t to deal with in a country that's very very broken. Yet they won't admit that because patriotism... RobDickinson said:
Trump is by every measure terrible..
Just look at how he's missed the boat on the department of energy..
Not only has he not achieved anything even with both other government branches under his party control, entire departments are evaporating...
It'll take several administrations to put it back into order.
Most of this doesn't affect the rest of the world. Climate change yes, economically it'll hurt USA more. Hopefully no crazy wars.
But for Americans it's more bad st to deal with in a country that's very very broken. Yet they won't admit that because patriotism...
OK you have convinced me Trump is a total inept failure in every way. An inept failure that somehow managed to become the president of the most powerful nation on earth with all the odds against him. A media that was massively biased against him, almost the entire political establishment against him, with a far smaller publicity budget but this total inept failure still won, strange. Just look at how he's missed the boat on the department of energy..
Not only has he not achieved anything even with both other government branches under his party control, entire departments are evaporating...
It'll take several administrations to put it back into order.
Most of this doesn't affect the rest of the world. Climate change yes, economically it'll hurt USA more. Hopefully no crazy wars.
But for Americans it's more bad s
t to deal with in a country that's very very broken. Yet they won't admit that because patriotism... Not-The-Messiah said:
RobDickinson said:
Trump is by every measure terrible..
Just look at how he's missed the boat on the department of energy..
Not only has he not achieved anything even with both other government branches under his party control, entire departments are evaporating...
It'll take several administrations to put it back into order.
Most of this doesn't affect the rest of the world. Climate change yes, economically it'll hurt USA more. Hopefully no crazy wars.
But for Americans it's more bad st to deal with in a country that's very very broken. Yet they won't admit that because patriotism...
OK you have convinced me Trump is a total inept failure in every way. An inept failure that somehow managed to become the president of the most powerful nation on earth with all the odds against him. A media that was massively biased against him, almost the entire political establishment against him, with a far smaller publicity budget but this total inept failure still won, strange. Just look at how he's missed the boat on the department of energy..
Not only has he not achieved anything even with both other government branches under his party control, entire departments are evaporating...
It'll take several administrations to put it back into order.
Most of this doesn't affect the rest of the world. Climate change yes, economically it'll hurt USA more. Hopefully no crazy wars.
But for Americans it's more bad s
t to deal with in a country that's very very broken. Yet they won't admit that because patriotism... But we’re talking about the period since the election. He has largely defined himself in negative terms, by which I mean he has set his core goal as being to dismantle Obama’s legacy rather than build something of his own. Thus far, he has failed, and (Gorsuch aside) his precious little in his “plus” column (I discount his “booming” stock market as (a) so far AIUI what we are seeing is mostly riding of the waves of the last budget year of Obama, (b) naked economic nationalism will inevitably boost confidence in US domestic companies; and (c) booms have a nasty habit of “correcting” - ie going pop at some point).
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