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zygalski said:
Where did I accuse him of being one?
I'm just a bit surprised about the whole BLM being a front for the Communist Party theory. It's not a view held by the majority of people I would think & sounds like another alt-right conspiracy theory.
Anyway, can we get back to discussing about how oppressed us white middle class men are.
I'm just a bit surprised about the whole BLM being a front for the Communist Party theory. It's not a view held by the majority of people I would think & sounds like another alt-right conspiracy theory.
Anyway, can we get back to discussing about how oppressed us white middle class men are.
zygalski said:
GroundZero said:
zygalski said:
Would you say you're a teensy-weensy bit right wing?
I'm just getting that vibe.
Is that a problem for you?I'm just getting that vibe.
Would you like me to be 'shut down', "deplatformed", "silenced" for not holding a far left view?
zygalski said:
Bit patronising to dismiss the global black population as being part of a commie conspiracy, but hey - this is PH. So boxes ticked, job jobbed, move on etc...
Just out of curiosity, why do you do that?How many, (to use that dreadful phrase), PoC do you think actually support many of the aims of BLM?
Abolish the Police?
Abolish the Courts?
Abolish the Prison Estate?
Trans-rights?
Abolish capitalism?
It seems to me that many of these ‘demands’ of BLM go against what the Caribbean, Asian, African, Persian, Arab and Oriental communities traditionally stand for.
And that’s before we get into the predominantly white BLM
The way you describe things, one could be forgiven for thinking that every single non-white person in the world gives their full support to BLM. I suspect that the opposite is true.
Now, what you’ve done there, (and I suspect that you already know what you’ve done), is use the well worn tactic of accusing, or at least strongly suggesting, that anyone who voices even the slightest critique of BLM polices or tactics is instantly a racist in order to try and shame them into not questioning ever again. Such attempts to shame don’t work with me.
Is that the sort of world that you want to live in? A world where you simply must show your unwavering support of those who shout the loudest without being able to disagree or even question their aims?
If that makes me a racist, then so be it. I’m a racist. So is my Wife, our mixed race daughter and all but one of our non-white friends. Non of them support BLM, ergo, they are all racist, right?
Frankly I’m stunned at how much support BLM has managed to garner without the majority of people scratching ever so slightly below the surface to see what BLM is really about. Racial inequality has simply been a tool, a blunt instrument to be used to help further a far more sinister ideology which won’t benefit 99% of us.
So, let me ask you, do you support the demands of BLM? All that question requires from you is a simply “yes” or “no” reply.
105.4 said:
zygalski said:
Bit patronising to dismiss the global black population as being part of a commie conspiracy, but hey - this is PH. So boxes ticked, job jobbed, move on etc...
Just out of curiosity, why do you do that?How many, (to use that dreadful phrase), PoC do you think actually support many of the aims of BLM?
Abolish the Police?
Abolish the Courts?
Abolish the Prison Estate?
Trans-rights?
Abolish capitalism?
It seems to me that many of these ‘demands’ of BLM go against what the Caribbean, Asian, African, Persian, Arab and Oriental communities traditionally stand for.
And that’s before we get into the predominantly white BLM
The way you describe things, one could be forgiven for thinking that every single non-white person in the world gives their full support to BLM. I suspect that the opposite is true.
Now, what you’ve done there, (and I suspect that you already know what you’ve done), is use the well worn tactic of accusing, or at least strongly suggesting, that anyone who voices even the slightest critique of BLM polices or tactics is instantly a racist in order to try and shame them into not questioning ever again. Such attempts to shame don’t work with me.
Is that the sort of world that you want to live in? A world where you simply must show your unwavering support of those who shout the loudest without being able to disagree or even question their aims?
If that makes me a racist, then so be it. I’m a racist. So is my Wife, our mixed race daughter and all but one of our non-white friends. Non of them support BLM, ergo, they are all racist, right?
Frankly I’m stunned at how much support BLM has managed to garner without the majority of people scratching ever so slightly below the surface to see what BLM is really about. Racial inequality has simply been a tool, a blunt instrument to be used to help further a far more sinister ideology which won’t benefit 99% of us.
So, let me ask you, do you support the demands of BLM? All that question requires from you is a simply “yes” or “no” reply.
Please note, I am not in favour of the above, but I can understand why it may seem like a favourable aim when you are a second class citizen in a 'civilised ' world and you are looking for a broad strokes easy fix (something that won't happen)
So, in answer to your points...
In America,
Abolish and rebuild institutionally racist police, courts and prisons? If those allegatuons are true, yes I'm happy with that.
Trans rights? Yes, I'm happy with that,
Abolish capitalism as it in America? Yes, but not to replace it with a creaky ideology that relies on violence to gain control, but a top down shake up that ensures better conditions, health care, housing, jobs, education etc.. for ALL rather than the divisive system foisted upon the American public. Yup, I can roll with that.
Jesus, I must be some sort of freakin communist!!
zygalski said:
GroundZero said:
zygalski said:
Would you say you're a teensy-weensy bit right wing?
I'm just getting that vibe.
Is that a problem for you?I'm just getting that vibe.
Would you like me to be 'shut down', "deplatformed", "silenced" for not holding a far left view?
biggbn said:
Jesus, I must be some sort of freakin communist!!
As there's a very vocal minority who want to go full-tilt on these concepts they effectively poison those concepts. There would be people who would like to see the USA go through the Russian revolution. They'd love to see plutocrats and the capitalist establishment destroyed and their goodies "redistributed" to "those who deserve it". Historic says that this usually doesn't turn out well except for those who are close to and are no threat to "power". Every ideology has it's dirty little secrets. Do you stick with the one you know or go for the unknown?jimPH said:
BLM is very unique in that it has a massive support base, by people who appear to be unaware of who they actually are.
If you asked most people whether they supported a Marxist organisation intent on destroying Western capitalism, they would say no. But all support BLM.
Very odd.
Trojan Horse.If you asked most people whether they supported a Marxist organisation intent on destroying Western capitalism, they would say no. But all support BLM.
Very odd.
The same with the Climate Clan (a.k.a. Extinction Rebellion); you hijack or attack to a very worthy cause and move it, from within, to suit your own goals.
Racism is disgusting and abhorrent, a change is needed, but there is a reason BLM are not the panacea. When even the BBC acknowledge this hijacking, it is fair to say the fact is established.
rodericb said:
zygalski said:
GroundZero said:
zygalski said:
Would you say you're a teensy-weensy bit right wing?
I'm just getting that vibe.
Is that a problem for you?I'm just getting that vibe.
Would you like me to be 'shut down', "deplatformed", "silenced" for not holding a far left view?
All gone a bit quite in here today. Quelle surprise.
rodericb said:
biggbn said:
Jesus, I must be some sort of freakin communist!!
As there's a very vocal minority who want to go full-tilt on these concepts they effectively poison those concepts. There would be people who would like to see the USA go through the Russian revolution. They'd love to see plutocrats and the capitalist establishment destroyed and their goodies "redistributed" to "those who deserve it". Historic says that this usually doesn't turn out well except for those who are close to and are no threat to "power". Every ideology has it's dirty little secrets. Do you stick with the one you know or go for the unknown?https://www.nationalreview.com/news/black-leaders-...
“Right now, bad guys are saying if you don’t see a blue and white you can do whatever you want.”
Tony Herbert, an activist in New York’s black community, agreed and lamented the rise in violence, criticizing New York officials for their failure to address the situation.
“The guns keep going off and now we have a 1-year-old and the blood is on the hands of the mayor and the state Legislature,” Herbert said.
“Anti-Crime’s mission was to protect New Yorkers by proactively preventing crime, especially gun violence,” Lynch said in a statement. “Shooting and murders are both climbing steadily upward, but our city leaders have decided that proactive policing isn’t a priority anymore. They chose this strategy. They will have to reckon with the consequences.”
The city’s murder rate for the month ending June 7 has more than doubled from the same period last year, and shooting victims have increased by 45 percent. Meanwhile, arrests for illegal gun possession have dropped dramatically, with only 29 people arrested during the week that ended July 5, down from 70 during the same week last year, according to NYPD data.
In recent weeks, the NYPD has experienced a surge of over 400 percent in retirement applications from officers amid tensions with city officials and after the city’s police budget was slashed by $1 billion.
“Right now, bad guys are saying if you don’t see a blue and white you can do whatever you want.”
Tony Herbert, an activist in New York’s black community, agreed and lamented the rise in violence, criticizing New York officials for their failure to address the situation.
“The guns keep going off and now we have a 1-year-old and the blood is on the hands of the mayor and the state Legislature,” Herbert said.
“Anti-Crime’s mission was to protect New Yorkers by proactively preventing crime, especially gun violence,” Lynch said in a statement. “Shooting and murders are both climbing steadily upward, but our city leaders have decided that proactive policing isn’t a priority anymore. They chose this strategy. They will have to reckon with the consequences.”
The city’s murder rate for the month ending June 7 has more than doubled from the same period last year, and shooting victims have increased by 45 percent. Meanwhile, arrests for illegal gun possession have dropped dramatically, with only 29 people arrested during the week that ended July 5, down from 70 during the same week last year, according to NYPD data.
In recent weeks, the NYPD has experienced a surge of over 400 percent in retirement applications from officers amid tensions with city officials and after the city’s police budget was slashed by $1 billion.
Earthdweller said:
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/black-leaders-...
“Right now, bad guys are saying if you don’t see a blue and white you can do whatever you want.”
Tony Herbert, an activist in New York’s black community, agreed and lamented the rise in violence, criticizing New York officials for their failure to address the situation.
“The guns keep going off and now we have a 1-year-old and the blood is on the hands of the mayor and the state Legislature,” Herbert said.
“Anti-Crime’s mission was to protect New Yorkers by proactively preventing crime, especially gun violence,” Lynch said in a statement. “Shooting and murders are both climbing steadily upward, but our city leaders have decided that proactive policing isn’t a priority anymore. They chose this strategy. They will have to reckon with the consequences.”
The city’s murder rate for the month ending June 7 has more than doubled from the same period last year, and shooting victims have increased by 45 percent. Meanwhile, arrests for illegal gun possession have dropped dramatically, with only 29 people arrested during the week that ended July 5, down from 70 during the same week last year, according to NYPD data.
In recent weeks, the NYPD has experienced a surge of over 400 percent in retirement applications from officers amid tensions with city officials and after the city’s police budget was slashed by $1 billion.
Yep like no one could have foreseen those consequences. Madness.“Right now, bad guys are saying if you don’t see a blue and white you can do whatever you want.”
Tony Herbert, an activist in New York’s black community, agreed and lamented the rise in violence, criticizing New York officials for their failure to address the situation.
“The guns keep going off and now we have a 1-year-old and the blood is on the hands of the mayor and the state Legislature,” Herbert said.
“Anti-Crime’s mission was to protect New Yorkers by proactively preventing crime, especially gun violence,” Lynch said in a statement. “Shooting and murders are both climbing steadily upward, but our city leaders have decided that proactive policing isn’t a priority anymore. They chose this strategy. They will have to reckon with the consequences.”
The city’s murder rate for the month ending June 7 has more than doubled from the same period last year, and shooting victims have increased by 45 percent. Meanwhile, arrests for illegal gun possession have dropped dramatically, with only 29 people arrested during the week that ended July 5, down from 70 during the same week last year, according to NYPD data.
In recent weeks, the NYPD has experienced a surge of over 400 percent in retirement applications from officers amid tensions with city officials and after the city’s police budget was slashed by $1 billion.
I don't really understand how people can use America to highlight race issues, and extend that to the UK but then simultaneously distance themselves from any political form of BLM while still blaming the police in the exact same way and ignoring the madness going on in the States which isn't a result of police actions, rather a lack of.
Here is a brand new, two hour video discussion with six American academics on how they feel about what’s going on in the U.S.
https://youtu.be/pHGt733yw3g
It’s well worth a watch to hear their opinions, even if you can only watch it in chunks.
https://youtu.be/pHGt733yw3g
It’s well worth a watch to hear their opinions, even if you can only watch it in chunks.
Dont Panic said:
Anyone want to make an educated guess as to the racial makeup of the perpetrators of this spike in crime?
Better yet does anyone want to make an educated guess as to the reason for the racial makeup of the perpetrators of this spike in crime....or does their colour predetermine their actions?Gadgetmac said:
Dont Panic said:
Anyone want to make an educated guess as to the racial makeup of the perpetrators of this spike in crime?
Better yet does anyone want to make an educated guess as to the reason for the racial makeup of the perpetrators of this spike in crime....or does their colour predetermine their actions?Gadgetmac said:
Dont Panic said:
Anyone want to make an educated guess as to the racial makeup of the perpetrators of this spike in crime?
Better yet does anyone want to make an educated guess as to the reason for the racial makeup of the perpetrators of this spike in crime....or does their colour predetermine their actions?That is either because of;
Genetics
Socio Economic factors
The whole world being racist
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