Will you continue to wear a mask in public after Jan 27th?
Poll: Will you continue to wear a mask in public after Jan 27th?
Total Members Polled: 684
Discussion
Boringvolvodriver said:
S600BSB said:
You shouldn't assume either my answer to your question or that I haven't worn a mask previously based on my assessment of risk.
Anyway, not interested in a rant about the benefits of mask wearing or not. Life is too short and because I take sensible precaution to protect both my health, and that of others who come into contact with me, I live mine to the full!
Agree with your last paragraph- I too am living my life to the full and also take sensible precautions to protect my health and that of others.Anyway, not interested in a rant about the benefits of mask wearing or not. Life is too short and because I take sensible precaution to protect both my health, and that of others who come into contact with me, I live mine to the full!
Anyway back out into the sun for me now!
But mask wearing has never and will never be part of my arsenal.
And it's absolutely pissing down, blowing a gale and freezing here. So I'll drive home from Costco (where I didn't wear a mask) and put the kettle on.
Ari said:
S600BSB said:
Respect your right to your own opinion mate, but I think that is rubbish - particularly in the case of Omicron which seems to transmit more via aerosol than droplet.
Anyway, I am happy to do my bit to protect people from the risk I might be positive and hope others will do the same for me. My experience is that most people are sensible and will think about others when in crowded indoor spaces. Obviously different outside etc.
I have managed to avoid Covid so far and won't change until I consider the risk to be low enough to do so. Let's hope that is soon as I actually hate wearing the things!
It's not 'an opinion'.Anyway, I am happy to do my bit to protect people from the risk I might be positive and hope others will do the same for me. My experience is that most people are sensible and will think about others when in crowded indoor spaces. Obviously different outside etc.
I have managed to avoid Covid so far and won't change until I consider the risk to be low enough to do so. Let's hope that is soon as I actually hate wearing the things!
We brought in a mask mandate for 65 million people in the UK and it made no difference!
A year later we dropped the mandate for 50 million of them and kept it for the others. The 50 million went on to have a lower infection rate per 100,000 than the 65 million!
That's what happened! Those are facts, not opinions.
Even a government study set up specifically to justify forcing face masks on school children failed to do so. And you know what? They carried on making kids wear them in school anyway, which just proves that this was never about whether they work or not, it was all just all theatre.
If you hate wearing the things, just stop. It will make no difference.
So yeah.... totally agree.
dave_s13 said:
Boringvolvodriver said:
S600BSB said:
You shouldn't assume either my answer to your question or that I haven't worn a mask previously based on my assessment of risk.
Anyway, not interested in a rant about the benefits of mask wearing or not. Life is too short and because I take sensible precaution to protect both my health, and that of others who come into contact with me, I live mine to the full!
Agree with your last paragraph- I too am living my life to the full and also take sensible precautions to protect my health and that of others.Anyway, not interested in a rant about the benefits of mask wearing or not. Life is too short and because I take sensible precaution to protect both my health, and that of others who come into contact with me, I live mine to the full!
Anyway back out into the sun for me now!
But mask wearing has never and will never be part of my arsenal.
And it's absolutely pissing down, blowing a gale and freezing here. So I'll drive home from Costco (where I didn't wear a mask) and put the kettle on.
Never been in a Costco mate, but pretty much 100% mask wearing in Waitrose
dave_s13 said:
Ari said:
S600BSB said:
Respect your right to your own opinion mate, but I think that is rubbish - particularly in the case of Omicron which seems to transmit more via aerosol than droplet.
Anyway, I am happy to do my bit to protect people from the risk I might be positive and hope others will do the same for me. My experience is that most people are sensible and will think about others when in crowded indoor spaces. Obviously different outside etc.
I have managed to avoid Covid so far and won't change until I consider the risk to be low enough to do so. Let's hope that is soon as I actually hate wearing the things!
It's not 'an opinion'.Anyway, I am happy to do my bit to protect people from the risk I might be positive and hope others will do the same for me. My experience is that most people are sensible and will think about others when in crowded indoor spaces. Obviously different outside etc.
I have managed to avoid Covid so far and won't change until I consider the risk to be low enough to do so. Let's hope that is soon as I actually hate wearing the things!
We brought in a mask mandate for 65 million people in the UK and it made no difference!
A year later we dropped the mandate for 50 million of them and kept it for the others. The 50 million went on to have a lower infection rate per 100,000 than the 65 million!
That's what happened! Those are facts, not opinions.
Even a government study set up specifically to justify forcing face masks on school children failed to do so. And you know what? They carried on making kids wear them in school anyway, which just proves that this was never about whether they work or not, it was all just all theatre.
If you hate wearing the things, just stop. It will make no difference.
So yeah.... totally agree.
So plenty of evidence that it doesn't work, none at all in the real world that it does, but plenty of 'belief'.
Ah well, I guess it's how religion has continued for so long in the absence of any real evidence.
I wonder whether they'll ever stop..?
21TonyK said:
Debate what? I asked a queston follwed by a factual statement. All I got then was the normal abusive comments based on unrelated assumptions that fit the posters views.
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The only abusive comments in this most recent exchange came from you. All that was being asked was that why the 'vulnerable' as you specified would have been at much more risk than in previous years from other respiratory viruses little different to covid now and also that they were not exactly under 'house arrest' as you had stated. .
You then chose to go on off a rant about ill informed overly vocal people daring to post something that you didn't agree with.
S600BSB said:
Respect your right to your own opinion mate, but I think that is rubbish - particularly in the case of Omicron which seems to transmit more via aerosol than droplet.
Anyway, I am happy to do my bit to protect people from the risk I might be positive and hope others will do the same for me. My experience is that most people are sensible and will think about others when in crowded indoor spaces. Obviously different outside etc.
I have managed to avoid Covid so far and won't change until I consider the risk to be low enough to do so. Let's hope that is soon as I actually hate wearing the things!
No wonder you are still wearing a mask if you think that it is like being transported back to 2020...FFS... Anyway, I am happy to do my bit to protect people from the risk I might be positive and hope others will do the same for me. My experience is that most people are sensible and will think about others when in crowded indoor spaces. Obviously different outside etc.
I have managed to avoid Covid so far and won't change until I consider the risk to be low enough to do so. Let's hope that is soon as I actually hate wearing the things!
isaldiri said:
21TonyK said:
Debate what? I asked a queston follwed by a factual statement. All I got then was the normal abusive comments based on unrelated assumptions that fit the posters views.
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The only abusive comments in this most recent exchange came from you. All that was being asked was that why the 'vulnerable' as you specified would have been at much more risk than in previous years from other respiratory viruses little different to covid now and also that they were not exactly under 'house arrest' as you had stated. .
You then chose to go on off a rant about ill informed overly vocal people daring to post something that you didn't agree with.
I likened following the latest guidance to being under house arrest, here it is:
ensure you have had all of the vaccines you are eligible to receive, including your booster
continue to follow any condition-specific advice you may have been given by your specialist
work from home if you can. If you cannot work from home, speak to your employer about what temporary arrangements they can make to reduce your risk
wait until 14 days after another person’s most recent dose of a COVID-19 vaccine before being in close contact with them
avoid enclosed crowded spaces
practice social distancing if that feels right for you and your friends
ventilate your home by opening windows and doors to let fresh air in
ask friends and family to take a rapid lateral flow antigen test before visiting you
ask home visitors to wear face coverings
wash your hands regularly and avoid touching your face.
NHS Volunteer Responders are available to help with things like collecting shopping, medication, or other essential supplies, and with transport to medical appointments.
So basically don't mix with people, don't go to work and if you need anything a volunteer will get it for you so you don;t have to go out.
Imagine that as a single person, being called by your primary clinician on Chritmas Eve and told you need to follow it. Sounds pretty miserable and similar to being under "house arrest" if you ask me. YMMV
I'd poretty much guarantee everyone receiving this advice has had flu and pneumonia jabs in previous years, prior to covid. The reason they are now receiving this advice is because they were immunospressed at the time of their covid vaccinations. Despite them having had 4 jabs the efficacy of the vacine for them is low and they have little protection against serious illness should they become infected. Hence prioity testing and antiviral treatments within 5 days of the onset of symptoms.
Add in the fact the reason they are immunospressed because they have serious underlying conditons and its a bit of a double whammy.
The point I was making was that when people say "Pop a mask on the vulnerable, everyone else back to bloody normal please." and "But it’s endemic, it’s everywhere and everyone has it and the deaths are lower and lower. It’s done isn’t it?"
My answer is.
21TonyK said:
For the majority yes, it probably is but for about 1% of the population no, not yet. But... of that 1% a siginicant proportion are in homes, hospital, cared for at home etc. They are at little risk of exposure.
There is however a number at risk who are still working, etc etc
Give then N99 on prescription, furlough and leave them in the garden with NHS volunteers to support... oh, yeah, thats nearly whats happening.
But some posters just want to argue about everything so they have the opportunity to post more of the ususal crap they come out with and try to undermine anyone who doesn't agree with them to make themselves feel better. Free thinkers and all that.There is however a number at risk who are still working, etc etc
Give then N99 on prescription, furlough and leave them in the garden with NHS volunteers to support... oh, yeah, thats nearly whats happening.
S600BSB said:
dave_s13 said:
Boringvolvodriver said:
S600BSB said:
You shouldn't assume either my answer to your question or that I haven't worn a mask previously based on my assessment of risk.
Anyway, not interested in a rant about the benefits of mask wearing or not. Life is too short and because I take sensible precaution to protect both my health, and that of others who come into contact with me, I live mine to the full!
Agree with your last paragraph- I too am living my life to the full and also take sensible precautions to protect my health and that of others.Anyway, not interested in a rant about the benefits of mask wearing or not. Life is too short and because I take sensible precaution to protect both my health, and that of others who come into contact with me, I live mine to the full!
Anyway back out into the sun for me now!
But mask wearing has never and will never be part of my arsenal.
And it's absolutely pissing down, blowing a gale and freezing here. So I'll drive home from Costco (where I didn't wear a mask) and put the kettle on.
Never been in a Costco mate, but pretty much 100% mask wearing in Waitrose
The only valid reason, in my belief system, is that you feel safer personally, and that's fair enough.
S600BSB said:
Vanden Saab said:
No wonder you are still wearing a mask if you think that it is like being transported back to 2020...FFS...
Bizarre comment mate, but I really can't be arsed to argue with you! I could post up some of the many studies that confirm that but I doubt it would make any difference to your fixed view and I really cannot be bothered to do it again. Enjoy your mask
dave_s13 said:
Doing it to protect others, by definition, suggests those that don't are uncaring.
That was all part of the (very successful, it has to be said) 'nudge' propaganda. A little like labelling anyone with doubts about the new vaccine an 'anti vaxxer', or anyone questioning the lockdowns a 'covid denier', it made it very easy to label anyone questioning the face coverings as selfish. It all works to twist public sentiment in the direction required by The Narrative.
So many people really have been remarkably compliant about all of this, must have been quite an eye opener for the government.
If you breath while wearing the mask, SARS cov2 will remain transmissible with or without the mask. Still people wearing a mask outdoors and there's been zero evidence throughout the pandemic of covid being able to transmit outdoors.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33923935/
Unfavorable mask effects as components of Mask-Induced Exhaustion Syndrome (MIES). The chemical, physical and biological effects, as well as the organ system consequences mentioned, are all documented with statistically significant results in the scientific literature found.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33923935/
Unfavorable mask effects as components of Mask-Induced Exhaustion Syndrome (MIES). The chemical, physical and biological effects, as well as the organ system consequences mentioned, are all documented with statistically significant results in the scientific literature found.
davey83 said:
If you breath while wearing the mask, SARS cov2 will remain transmissible with or without the mask. Still people wearing a mask outdoors and there's been zero evidence throughout the pandemic of covid being able to transmit outdoors.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33923935/
Unfavorable mask effects as components of Mask-Induced Exhaustion Syndrome (MIES). The chemical, physical and biological effects, as well as the organ system consequences mentioned, are all documented with statistically significant results in the scientific literature found.
"We objectified evaluation evidenced changes in respiratory physiology of mask wearers with significant correlation of O2 drop and fatigue (p < 0.05), a clustered co-occurrence of respiratory impairment and O2 drop (67%), N95 mask and CO2 rise (82%), N95 mask and O2 drop (72%), N95 mask and headache (60%), respiratory impairment and temperature rise (88%), but also temperature rise and moisture (100%) under the masks. Extended mask-wearing by the general population could lead to relevant effects and consequences in many medical fields."https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33923935/
Unfavorable mask effects as components of Mask-Induced Exhaustion Syndrome (MIES). The chemical, physical and biological effects, as well as the organ system consequences mentioned, are all documented with statistically significant results in the scientific literature found.
I think most would agree that regularly wearing an N95 for extended periods is not going to do you any good and if you have existing conditions it could make the symptoms worse which is what this report says.
The fact I've only ever seen N95/99 used a few times in public in two years tells me this study is hypothetical.
Ari said:
dave_s13 said:
Doing it to protect others, by definition, suggests those that don't are uncaring.
That was all part of the (very successful, it has to be said) 'nudge' propaganda. A little like labelling anyone with doubts about the new vaccine an 'anti vaxxer', or anyone questioning the lockdowns a 'covid denier', it made it very easy to label anyone questioning the face coverings as selfish. It all works to twist public sentiment in the direction required by The Narrative.
So many people really have been remarkably compliant about all of this, must have been quite an eye opener for the government.
Vanden Saab said:
S600BSB said:
Vanden Saab said:
No wonder you are still wearing a mask if you think that it is like being transported back to 2020...FFS...
Bizarre comment mate, but I really can't be arsed to argue with you! I could post up some of the many studies that confirm that but I doubt it would make any difference to your fixed view and I really cannot be bothered to do it again. Enjoy your mask
S600BSB said:
Vanden Saab said:
S600BSB said:
Vanden Saab said:
No wonder you are still wearing a mask if you think that it is like being transported back to 2020...FFS...
Bizarre comment mate, but I really can't be arsed to argue with you! I could post up some of the many studies that confirm that but I doubt it would make any difference to your fixed view and I really cannot be bothered to do it again. Enjoy your mask
Yet I'm the one whos "scared", "hiding behind the sofa" and "following the narative".
Odd, very odd.
21TonyK said:
S600BSB said:
Vanden Saab said:
S600BSB said:
Vanden Saab said:
No wonder you are still wearing a mask if you think that it is like being transported back to 2020...FFS...
Bizarre comment mate, but I really can't be arsed to argue with you! I could post up some of the many studies that confirm that but I doubt it would make any difference to your fixed view and I really cannot be bothered to do it again. Enjoy your mask
Yet I'm the one whos "scared", "hiding behind the sofa" and "following the narative".
Odd, very odd.
21TonyK said:
davey83 said:
If you breath while wearing the mask, SARS cov2 will remain transmissible with or without the mask. Still people wearing a mask outdoors and there's been zero evidence throughout the pandemic of covid being able to transmit outdoors.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33923935/
Unfavorable mask effects as components of Mask-Induced Exhaustion Syndrome (MIES). The chemical, physical and biological effects, as well as the organ system consequences mentioned, are all documented with statistically significant results in the scientific literature found.
"We objectified evaluation evidenced changes in respiratory physiology of mask wearers with significant correlation of O2 drop and fatigue (p < 0.05), a clustered co-occurrence of respiratory impairment and O2 drop (67%), N95 mask and CO2 rise (82%), N95 mask and O2 drop (72%), N95 mask and headache (60%), respiratory impairment and temperature rise (88%), but also temperature rise and moisture (100%) under the masks. Extended mask-wearing by the general population could lead to relevant effects and consequences in many medical fields."https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33923935/
Unfavorable mask effects as components of Mask-Induced Exhaustion Syndrome (MIES). The chemical, physical and biological effects, as well as the organ system consequences mentioned, are all documented with statistically significant results in the scientific literature found.
I think most would agree that regularly wearing an N95 for extended periods is not going to do you any good and if you have existing conditions it could make the symptoms worse which is what this report says.
The fact I've only ever seen N95/99 used a few times in public in two years tells me this study is hypothetical.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57636360
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