Nigel Farage - pay docked for cheating on his Euro expenses
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I see that the fog lies dense in Brexitland, as usual.
The Dangerous Elk said:
Self-interested corrupt political organisation condemns and reclaims money from a person who is a pain in the arse to said self-interested corrupt political organisation.
Yep, quality Eu political based justice system in action. Our legal eagles here would sell their souls to support the Eu it seems. If that system operated in the Uk they would be screaming blue murder about the very same system being unjust.
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Full investigation? LOL
As you say this has not been judged under any law but just by a self-interested committee (not even an independent one) with an "out to get him" attitude.
There is ZERO Due process.
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The only information that is available is what you have read in the press on the announcement from a possibly biased organisation/committee (and certainly not an independent one), this as you know is NOT evidence is it
It remains to be seen if his rejection of the Eu action is taken to court to establish the clarity of judgment required to hang the man.
I refer you to the Eu "system" as noted above by another poster, pathetic and enlightening in its failure of accountability and control of taxpayers money.
Yep, quality Eu political based justice system in action. Our legal eagles here would sell their souls to support the Eu it seems. If that system operated in the Uk they would be screaming blue murder about the very same system being unjust.
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Full investigation? LOL
As you say this has not been judged under any law but just by a self-interested committee (not even an independent one) with an "out to get him" attitude.
There is ZERO Due process.
...
The only information that is available is what you have read in the press on the announcement from a possibly biased organisation/committee (and certainly not an independent one), this as you know is NOT evidence is it
It remains to be seen if his rejection of the Eu action is taken to court to establish the clarity of judgment required to hang the man.
I refer you to the Eu "system" as noted above by another poster, pathetic and enlightening in its failure of accountability and control of taxpayers money.
You denied that you had assumed the decision to be unfair. I posted your comments in which you did that. The issue was not whether the decision is unfair but your false denial of your own position.
On the decision itself, you believe the decision to be unfaìr "because EU" That is an irrational position born of prejudice. Which is more likely? That a politician with a track record of dishonesty is the innocent victim of a frame up, or that a bunch of corporate investigators have boringly crunched the numbers and found that Farage was misusing funds?
On the decision itself, you believe the decision to be unfaìr "because EU" That is an irrational position born of prejudice. Which is more likely? That a politician with a track record of dishonesty is the innocent victim of a frame up, or that a bunch of corporate investigators have boringly crunched the numbers and found that Farage was misusing funds?
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 14th January 10:19
stitched said:
So I guess you're a lawyer?
Are you not mandated to protect your client from the law? if defending them.
If prosecuting are you not bound to win even knowing they are innocent?
Does not the job description lawyer not imply liar?
I think you've got the wrong end of the stick.Are you not mandated to protect your client from the law? if defending them.
If prosecuting are you not bound to win even knowing they are innocent?
Does not the job description lawyer not imply liar?
BV doesn't practice criminal law.
In order to discredit and investigation the actual investigation needs to be discredited. Although it may be hard to do if the investigation isn't public.
Farage can appeal to the CJEU if he thinks he's wronged - BV, why don't you represent him pro bono?
In order to discredit and investigation the actual investigation needs to be discredited. Although it may be hard to do if the investigation isn't public.
Farage can appeal to the CJEU if he thinks he's wronged - BV, why don't you represent him pro bono?
The primary job for criminal defence is top put forward their client's defence and test the prosecution evidence. Without doing so, how do we ensure the state gathers sufficient evidence to ensure safe and just convictions with a high standard of evidence gathering?
What are people expecting? A defendant to have to not only battle against the CPS but their own counsel?
What are people expecting? A defendant to have to not only battle against the CPS but their own counsel?
stitched said:
Nanook said:
stitched said:
Sorry. didn't mean to imply lawyers were corrupt.
Just that their job was to lie.
What they each choose to do is one thing. Just that their job was to lie.
What the actual job definition is, is the complete opposite of your description.
Barristers have ten Core Duties that they are required to follow at all times. These are contained in the BSB Handbook. They are:
1. To observe their duty to the court in the administration of justice
- This is the most important duty of a barrister in that it overrides all of the others. It means that a barrister must not mislead or lie to the court, must not abuse their role, must not waste the court's time and must try to make sure that the court has all the relevant information it needs. A barrister's duty to the court does not require them to breach the duty of confidentiality that they have to their client (see Core Duty 6 below).
2. To act in the best interests of each client
- A barrister that is working for you must always be thinking about what is best for you, and do his job in a way that reflects that. This does not mean that a barrister can lie on your behalf, or that they must do everything you tell them. Their duty to the court comes above even their duty to you as their client. This means that they cannot do anything for you that would go against their duty to the court.
3. To act with honesty and integrity
- The duty to act with honesty and integrity includes not misleading or lying to anyone, not encouraging other people to mislead or be untruthful, not paying witnesses for their help, and only accepting money and fees that they are legally allowed to.
The Dangerous Elk said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
Have you stopped taking the pills again?
no need, unlike you I am not suffering mental blindness to who and what the Eu is about.Your dislike (I use that word as less emotive than prejudice) of the EU does appear to be clouding your judgement though. Farage has been investigated and found to have misappropriated/misused EU funds. His salary is being docked to repay this. How is this any different to me (or you) being investigated at work for misconduct? If I (or you) are found guilty then we can expect some sort of sanction. Our employers don't have to take us to court to make this decision or apply the sanction. We may feel our employer is prejudiced against (or dislike) us as you appear to believe with Farage and the EU. It is up to us to demonstrate this prejudice/dislike during the investigation. If we believe we are right but the decision goes against us we have recourse to take the matter to a court/tribunal. Same applies to Farage. Just because he hasn't taken it 'all the way' doesn't mean he isn't guilty. Would you suggest that someone found guilty of nicking from Tesco is innocent because he doesn't take the case to the House of Lords?
Shifty bloke has been investigated and found to have done wrong. MY belief is that the investigation is sound. I may be wrong. In any event, Farage has the opportunity to take the case further and prove his innocence. Can't see the problem with it I'm afraid.
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