Snap General Election Tomorrow
Poll: Snap General Election Tomorrow
Total Members Polled: 698
Discussion
Amen. SmoothCriminal said:
I contemplated ukip but a protest vote helps no one apart from labour as all the benefit scrounges will still vote for them useless 
s and no doubt they'll sneak in to fk this country once and for all.
And that's exactly what Cameron, Moonpig and Cleggy are banking on, a vote for anyone else is a wasted vote, well no, not if enough people do it it's nots and no doubt they'll sneak in to fk this country once and for all. eharding said:
...and that, ladies and gentlemen, is the considered opinion of your average 'kiptard.
In essence, "let's let Labour back in and burn the country down because we can't get what we want now"
UKIP is about the politics of stamping your foot, pouting, and claiming you can scream and scream and scream until you're sick..because you can - hugely entertaining, but absolutely no good whatsoever when it comes to achieving actual political power.
So, 'kippers, keep on screaming and stamping. Keep a bucket handy if you feel a bit queasy though.
No, UKIP is about the possibility of a different approach.In essence, "let's let Labour back in and burn the country down because we can't get what we want now"
UKIP is about the politics of stamping your foot, pouting, and claiming you can scream and scream and scream until you're sick..because you can - hugely entertaining, but absolutely no good whatsoever when it comes to achieving actual political power.
So, 'kippers, keep on screaming and stamping. Keep a bucket handy if you feel a bit queasy though.
The current "Tory" coalition is not providing that, witness the stuff about Murdoch, little different in terms of influence from the previous lot.
UKIP are speaking sense on many issues at the moment and did gain over 900,000 votes in 2010. The electoral system meant the Greens got one seat despite UKIP getting 3.5 times more votes.
My fear about UKIP is the same as with the Liberal Democrats. For years the Lib Dems were able to essentially pledge whatever they wanted to in the knowledge they'd never win. Nick Clegg ran on an anti-establishment ticket in 2010, advertising himself as an alternative to the old tired back-and-forth politics of the main two parties - which was a hard sell, considering he's a Cambridge graduate who once lobbied for Libya therefore is very much the establishment. Upon entering office the Lib Dems have discovered they cannot do what they want to do. Even if they were in Downing Street on their own most of their policies would've been shot down due to the lack of practicality and you have to wonder if UKIP ever got in there would it be the same for them? If by some massive shock they were to win it wouldnt take long for the EU hush money to put an end to some of their plans.
My fear about UKIP is the same as with the Liberal Democrats. For years the Lib Dems were able to essentially pledge whatever they wanted to in the knowledge they'd never win. Nick Clegg ran on an anti-establishment ticket in 2010, advertising himself as an alternative to the old tired back-and-forth politics of the main two parties - which was a hard sell, considering he's a Cambridge graduate who once lobbied for Libya therefore is very much the establishment. Upon entering office the Lib Dems have discovered they cannot do what they want to do. Even if they were in Downing Street on their own most of their policies would've been shot down due to the lack of practicality and you have to wonder if UKIP ever got in there would it be the same for them? If by some massive shock they were to win it wouldnt take long for the EU hush money to put an end to some of their plans.
spud989 said:
If, through some bizarre national aneurysm, he got into power, the country would collapse.
There's always this fear amongst EUphiles. What do you mean "the country would collapse"? eharding said:
...and that, ladies and gentlemen, is the considered opinion of your average 'kiptard.
In essence, "let's let Labour back in and burn the country down because we can't get what we want now"
UKIP is about the politics of stamping your foot, pouting, and claiming you can scream and scream and scream until you're sick..because you can - hugely entertaining, but absolutely no good whatsoever when it comes to achieving actual political power.
So, 'kippers, keep on screaming and stamping. Keep a bucket handy if you feel a bit queasy though.
Not so much "what I want now" as I don't really give a toss if Labour get back in because since 1990, which covers my entire adult life and a few years before, there hasn't been any real difference between the two. Both think Britain ought to be a part of the EU, and a lot of wrongness flows from that. Basically it means both support big government, both support over regulation and technocratic government behind losed doors, both believe in global warming and a nanny state. In essence, "let's let Labour back in and burn the country down because we can't get what we want now"
UKIP is about the politics of stamping your foot, pouting, and claiming you can scream and scream and scream until you're sick..because you can - hugely entertaining, but absolutely no good whatsoever when it comes to achieving actual political power.
So, 'kippers, keep on screaming and stamping. Keep a bucket handy if you feel a bit queasy though.
The Tories might make some sympathetic noises, and a fair few might even privately think differently, but so long as they stick to the party line then nothing will change, because nothing can change.
Collapse and renewal is the answer, and if another term of Labour is the quickest route to that then so be it.
UKIP have some very great attractions; sadly that'll only let Labour in for further overspending Greece-style disaster. Move all UKIP votes to Conservative and do the job properly. Let's learn from history - Labour has NEVER done this country any favours, they are always trying to rebrand themselves with a new face at the front, but they're the same economy-destroying Trotskyites they have always been no matter whose cheesy face they have in 'charge'.
Would people really vote for a one premise party?
If the libdems do collapse the majority of voters will drift towards labour. Milliband is presenting a middle of the road image and that will attract them. UKIP comes mainly from the tories as it is seen as an ultra right party, although it is not.
Anyone giving the matter a little thought at the time of the election will consider this and probably revert to old habits because it is easy to do so.
My politics are more liberal than most parties, including the libdems. I've voted for all of them in the past, some indies as well. If the ticking of the UKIP box is nothing more than empty posturing, which is a possibility, then I would think that it will be a close run thing at the next election due to the libdem migration. Whether labour get in will depend on the likes of me, the floating voter. At the moment I have absolutely no idea which way I will jump. It won't be UKIP. At the moment it won't be Cameron, and I think that is a very long moment, and any party with Harman in it doesn't get a look in.
So I have no idea. That said, I normally make my mind up which way to vote in the weeks running up to the election.
I voted for Thatcher's first term because of the in-fighting in the labour party and its lurch to the left. I voted against Major, a man I admired, because of the pathetic infighting in the tories at the time - and so frequently as well. So much will depend on how pathetically behaved members of the parties are so it will be a close run thing.
All I can say for sure is that UKIP is a one policy party. If they achieve a significant number of votes then the other parties will take note. They will move that way in their own policies. They bend with the wind. The tories will go to the right, labour will go to the right and the libdems will emphasise their right wing views. Nothing will change though.
If the libdems do collapse the majority of voters will drift towards labour. Milliband is presenting a middle of the road image and that will attract them. UKIP comes mainly from the tories as it is seen as an ultra right party, although it is not.
Anyone giving the matter a little thought at the time of the election will consider this and probably revert to old habits because it is easy to do so.
My politics are more liberal than most parties, including the libdems. I've voted for all of them in the past, some indies as well. If the ticking of the UKIP box is nothing more than empty posturing, which is a possibility, then I would think that it will be a close run thing at the next election due to the libdem migration. Whether labour get in will depend on the likes of me, the floating voter. At the moment I have absolutely no idea which way I will jump. It won't be UKIP. At the moment it won't be Cameron, and I think that is a very long moment, and any party with Harman in it doesn't get a look in.
So I have no idea. That said, I normally make my mind up which way to vote in the weeks running up to the election.
I voted for Thatcher's first term because of the in-fighting in the labour party and its lurch to the left. I voted against Major, a man I admired, because of the pathetic infighting in the tories at the time - and so frequently as well. So much will depend on how pathetically behaved members of the parties are so it will be a close run thing.
All I can say for sure is that UKIP is a one policy party. If they achieve a significant number of votes then the other parties will take note. They will move that way in their own policies. They bend with the wind. The tories will go to the right, labour will go to the right and the libdems will emphasise their right wing views. Nothing will change though.
Labour did the country a favour when they condemned themselves to obscurity for 18 years. The Tories threw that away when they replaced Thatcher with Major, abandoned probably the most successful doctrine in 20th century British politics and chose the ideological wasteland of the middle ground, which brought them nothing but disaster.
Guybrush said:
UKIP have some very great attractions; sadly that'll only let Labour in for further overspending Greece-style disaster. Move all UKIP votes to Conservative and do the job properly. Let's learn from history - Labour has NEVER done this country any favours, they are always trying to rebrand themselves with a new face at the front, but they're the same economy-destroying Trotskyites they have always been no matter whose cheesy face they have in 'charge'.
So i should vote party X because they are useless but less useless then party YWibble
I have 1 cross in a box every 5 years and not a chance in hell am i voting for a party i hate because i hate them less then another lot.
Derek Smith said:
All I can say for sure is that UKIP is a one policy party.
If they are a one policy party, then it is worthy of note that the once policy you are referring to is responsible for the vast majority of our laws.But, as they are not (and yet again here is the link to their manifesto) - the argument is moot.
UKIP offer a different way of thinking. What is painfully clear is that the current way of thinking, which is certainly shared by the red and blue ties, is not working. We need change.
Puggit said:
If they are a one policy party, then it is worthy of note that the once policy you are referring to is responsible for the vast majority of our laws.
But, as they are not (and yet again here is the link to their manifesto) - the argument is moot.
UKIP offer a different way of thinking. What is painfully clear is that the current way of thinking, which is certainly shared by the red and blue ties, is not working. We need change.
That's all well and good, unfortunately the system we have in place doesn't offer much in the way of change. A vote that isnt for one of the main two parties is effectively a proxy vote for one of them. Whilst this may irk some, its the system we have, and we've just had a referendum regarding the mechanics of it.But, as they are not (and yet again here is the link to their manifesto) - the argument is moot.
UKIP offer a different way of thinking. What is painfully clear is that the current way of thinking, which is certainly shared by the red and blue ties, is not working. We need change.
I guess its more the case of which of the lesser of two evils do you want running the shop?
eharding said:
powerstroke said:
very sad point of view
typical british attitude lets have ukip votes show the torys we dont want bliar mk2 and blue labour we want consrvative policys, not the stupidest goverment sorry I mean greenest.... and if labour get in so what great let them FUBAR the economy and then a IMF bailout and a clean sheet is surely better than the current death spiral.....
...and that, ladies and gentlemen, is the considered opinion of your average 'kiptard.typical british attitude lets have ukip votes show the torys we dont want bliar mk2 and blue labour we want consrvative policys, not the stupidest goverment sorry I mean greenest.... and if labour get in so what great let them FUBAR the economy and then a IMF bailout and a clean sheet is surely better than the current death spiral.....
In essence, "let's let Labour back in and burn the country down because we can't get what we want now"
UKIP is about the politics of stamping your foot, pouting, and claiming you can scream and scream and scream until you're sick..because you can - hugely entertaining, but absolutely no good whatsoever when it comes to achieving actual political power.
So, 'kippers, keep on screaming and stamping. Keep a bucket handy if you feel a bit queasy though.
ukwill said:
Puggit said:
If they are a one policy party, then it is worthy of note that the once policy you are referring to is responsible for the vast majority of our laws.
But, as they are not (and yet again here is the link to their manifesto) - the argument is moot.
UKIP offer a different way of thinking. What is painfully clear is that the current way of thinking, which is certainly shared by the red and blue ties, is not working. We need change.
That's all well and good, unfortunately the system we have in place doesn't offer much in the way of change. A vote that isnt for one of the main two parties is effectively a proxy vote for one of them. Whilst this may irk some, its the system we have, and we've just had a referendum regarding the mechanics of it.But, as they are not (and yet again here is the link to their manifesto) - the argument is moot.
UKIP offer a different way of thinking. What is painfully clear is that the current way of thinking, which is certainly shared by the red and blue ties, is not working. We need change.
I guess its more the case of which of the lesser of two evils do you want running the shop?
AJS- said:
Labour did the country a favour when they condemned themselves to obscurity for 18 years. The Tories threw that away when they replaced Thatcher with Major, abandoned probably the most successful doctrine in 20th century British politics and chose the ideological wasteland of the middle ground, which brought them nothing but disaster.
Very true they seemed to lurch to the left and elected Cameron just when the tide was turning against that sort of thing ..... Guybrush said:
UKIP have some very great attractions; sadly that'll only let Labour in for further overspending Greece-style disaster. Move all UKIP votes to Conservative and do the job properly. Let's learn from history - Labour has NEVER done this country any favours, they are always trying to rebrand themselves with a new face at the front, but they're the same economy-destroying Trotskyites they have always been no matter whose cheesy face they have in 'charge'.
Trotsky? The thing about the current labout party is that there are so few who believe in anything. They are identical in most ways to the tories: they are in it for what they can get out of it. They change their beliefs according to what they think will get them elected. Any Trotsky followers would have been ejectyed from the party years ago.Labour, like the tories, have no beliefs.
Derek Smith said:
Trotsky? The thing about the current labout party is that there are so few who believe in anything. They are identical in most ways to the tories: they are in it for what they can get out of it. They change their beliefs according to what they think will get them elected. Any Trotsky followers would have been ejectyed from the party years ago.
Labour, like the tories, have no beliefs.
Yes and that's why I find UKIP so refeshing tell it like it is, howeverLabour, like the tories, have no beliefs.
the sheeple dont like change they would prefer to shuffle round moaning
about the state of the county and votting for what their mum and dad always
voted for..
powerstroke said:
Yes and that's why I find UKIP so refeshing tell it like it is, however
the sheeple dont like change they would prefer to shuffle round moaning
about the state of the county and votting for what their mum and dad always
voted for..
UKIP are like all the rest. They tell people what they want to hear, what they think will get them voted in. It is nice to think that they are crusaders fighting for justice, truth and the rule of law. But they are not.the sheeple dont like change they would prefer to shuffle round moaning
about the state of the county and votting for what their mum and dad always
voted for..
I too raise my eyes when people suggest that they've voted for one party or the other for all their life but people do. If we had a more critical view of who we vote for then there might be some improvement. At the moment we have a two-party system and, after the failure of the AV referendem, that is what people seem to want.
Derek Smith said:
UKIP are like all the rest. They tell people what they want to hear, what they think will get them voted in. It is nice to think that they are crusaders fighting for justice, truth and the rule of law. But they are not..
Sadly there isn't an option on the ballot paper that is "Slowly feed all of them into a woodchipper"So until we get the woodchipper option i'll go with UKIP
Derek Smith said:
UKIP are like all the rest. They tell people what they want to hear, what they think will get them voted in. It is nice to think that they are crusaders fighting for justice, truth and the rule of law. But they are not.
I too raise my eyes when people suggest that they've voted for one party or the other for all their life but people do. If we had a more critical view of who we vote for then there might be some improvement. At the moment we have a two-party system and, after the failure of the AV referendem, that is what people seem to want.
Im begining to feel like I want a civil war !!!I too raise my eyes when people suggest that they've voted for one party or the other for all their life but people do. If we had a more critical view of who we vote for then there might be some improvement. At the moment we have a two-party system and, after the failure of the AV referendem, that is what people seem to want.
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