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Biker's Nemesis

38,905 posts

210 months

Saturday 14th July 2012
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Pothole said:
BN, WTF has any of that got to do with getting a job you're not qualified for?
Well, I spent 6 months in hospital after having my right leg torn off and the left leg - thigh, lower leg, foot all knackered with spiral compound fracture and crush injuries not to mention punchered artires and a whole load of other st.

I was a gas fitter but had to get off my arse and re train.

Is that enough for you!

Pothole

34,367 posts

284 months

Saturday 14th July 2012
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Biker's Nemesis said:
Pothole said:
BN, WTF has any of that got to do with getting a job you're not qualified for?
Well, I spent 6 months in hospital after having my right leg torn off and the left leg - thigh, lower leg, foot all knackered with spiral compound fracture and crush injuries not to mention punchered artires and a whole load of other st.

I was a gas fitter but had to get off my arse and re train.

Is that enough for you!
None of that could really be gleaned from the pictures, could it?

Biker's Nemesis

38,905 posts

210 months

Saturday 14th July 2012
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Pothole said:
one of that could really be gleaned from the pictures, could it?
If you had looked at what I posted then maybe you would have seen instead you jumped in as you usually do.

MX7

7,902 posts

176 months

Sunday 15th July 2012
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Biker's Nemesis said:
Indeed.

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That's you afterwards? Way to go.
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Pothole

34,367 posts

284 months

Sunday 15th July 2012
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Biker's Nemesis said:
Pothole said:
one of that could really be gleaned from the pictures, could it?
If you had looked at what I posted then maybe you would have seen instead you jumped in as you usually do.
I'm so sorry I must have missed the paragraph where you explained about retraining.

Derek Smith

45,878 posts

250 months

Sunday 15th July 2012
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Jasandjules said:
If he can find someone who will employ a disabled person that is. Let's face, we are not awash with jobs in the UK right now let alone job where a company will have to make changes to accomodate him!?!?
My old police force employed disabled people, via Remploy, in the CCTV control room. The costs of modification and chairs and such were paid for by Remploy.

In the main they were great. All were extremely grateful for the job which should tell you a think or two about the way they are normally treated on interviews.

One chap was very good: imaginative, hardworking, intelligent and clever as well - not the same thing of course. In the annual assessment interview I suggested that whilst he'd been a real asset to my department, "his skills could be used to a greater degree to the benefit both on him and the police" in another department. Jargon used to get rid of a dolt but in this case I really meant it.

He replied that he would like to spend another year to repay the police. When I said that we paid under basic wages for him with the Remploy subsidy he said that what he meant was the interview. After years of trying for job after job, getting interviews, going to the companies and being rejected - literally years - his interview for the CCTV post was the first time he felt that he'd been invited for something other than trying to prove the company was not using him for something other than equality.

He was paralysed from the waist down. He walked on crutches but with a great deal of difficulty and had to have a special chair.

That was then, when jobs were easier to come by. A recruitment panal seeing a bloke in a wheelchair will be thinking of oncosts. It's a shame but a fact of life. Mind you, this bloke seems to have given up trying. No one would employ someone like that even if they were able-bodied.

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

200 months

Sunday 15th July 2012
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this "victim" in the paper..

he's not only just been diagnosed with cancer.. he's not only JUST lost his leg..

he's had years and years to get some qualifications, from a local college FREE as he's on benefits.. to the OU free(ish) until you earn over £xx,000k ..

he would be somebody now. instead he just sat on his arse for years claiming "poor me poor me"

Lunablack

3,494 posts

164 months

Sunday 15th July 2012
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Derek Smith said:
My old police force employed disabled people, via Remploy, in the CCTV control room. The costs of modification and chairs and such were paid for by Remploy.

In the main they were great. All were extremely grateful for the job which should tell you a think or two about the way they are normally treated on interviews.

One chap was very good: imaginative, hardworking, intelligent and clever as well - not the same thing of course. In the annual assessment interview I suggested that whilst he'd been a real asset to my department, "his skills could be used to a greater degree to the benefit both on him and the police" in another department. Jargon used to get rid of a dolt but in this case I really meant it.

He replied that he would like to spend another year to repay the police. When I said that we paid under basic wages for him with the Remploy subsidy he said that what he meant was the interview. After years of trying for job after job, getting interviews, going to the companies and being rejected - literally years - his interview for the CCTV post was the first time he felt that he'd been invited for something other than trying to prove the company was not using him for something other than equality.

He was paralysed from the waist down. He walked on crutches but with a great deal of difficulty and had to have a special chair.

That was then, when jobs were easier to come by. A recruitment panal seeing a bloke in a wheelchair will be thinking of oncosts. It's a shame but a fact of life. Mind you, this bloke seems to have given up trying. No one would employ someone like that even if they were able-bodied.
I worked for Remploy for 27 years, and they were a great company for someone with serious health issues or disability...

There were 250 greatful employees in my factory when I started, many with excellent welding and wood working skills...I and many of my collegues had attended hundreds of interviews and never got the job until Remploy took us on...There are 30 there now, and the place will be closing down as soon as they can get rid of the remaining employeesfrown....
Yes we got a subsidy for employing disabled folk, but those folk all paid somthing back, in the form of taxes, NI etc, and also made top notch products for schools, libraries and offices... Now they'll probably end up on benefits, and the factory will be knocked down...

rich1231

17,331 posts

262 months

Sunday 15th July 2012
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Luna, if you had a business in the same marketplace competing with a Remploy factory but without benefit of subsidy how would you feel?

Lunablack

3,494 posts

164 months

Sunday 15th July 2012
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rich1231 said:
Luna, if you had a business in the same marketplace competing with a Remploy factory but without benefit of subsidy how would you feel?
The subsidy was supposed to be calculated to make up the difference between the productivity level of a disabled person, and a non disabled person....

There is little doubt that the costs of running a Remploy factory would be higher than an equivalent non Remploy factory, so without the subsidy they couldn't operate...

I can't answer your question as I'm not in that position, all I can say is that without Remploy, I and many of my collegues would not have spent much time in full time meaningful employment...

Derek Smith

45,878 posts

250 months

Sunday 15th July 2012
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Lunablack said:
I worked for Remploy for 27 years, and they were a great company for someone with serious health issues or disability...

There were 250 greatful employees in my factory when I started, many with excellent welding and wood working skills...I and many of my collegues had attended hundreds of interviews and never got the job until Remploy took us on...There are 30 there now, and the place will be closing down as soon as they can get rid of the remaining employeesfrown....
Yes we got a subsidy for employing disabled folk, but those folk all paid somthing back, in the form of taxes, NI etc, and also made top notch products for schools, libraries and offices... Now they'll probably end up on benefits, and the factory will be knocked down...
I'm really sorry to hear that. My guys were great. As you suggest there were minor costs associated with employing serverly disabled people, including risk according to insurance companies, but I have to say their gratitude made them very keen to do well.

I've got to say I'd employ a severely disabled person.

After years of problems with assaults and robberies on foreign students in Brighton my guys came up with an operation that put a stop to it to a great extent. I have to admit that my enthusiasm for their plan was largely that it would be a good exercise for them, sort of team buidling. After tyhree weeks the DCI came into my office complaining that the crime reports for robberies had more than doubles. (Not criticising the DCI, he was a good bloke but had his problems with targets.)

Best of luck in the current situation.