A story from my local paper....
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he might be able to get a bit of "jail hooch" but he wont be down the pub all day.
im honestly struggling to understand the people against jailing him.
how many more people are going to get hurt/killed before the courts take it seriously.
if it was a first offence, i would say give him a chance but he's had way to many chances to turn himself round and has ignored every one.
courts should think about protecting innocent citizens from people like this instead of worrying about the rights of lawbreakers.
im willing to bet £50 that he's arrested for violence at least once more before the year is out!!!
any takers???
im honestly struggling to understand the people against jailing him.
how many more people are going to get hurt/killed before the courts take it seriously.
if it was a first offence, i would say give him a chance but he's had way to many chances to turn himself round and has ignored every one.
courts should think about protecting innocent citizens from people like this instead of worrying about the rights of lawbreakers.
im willing to bet £50 that he's arrested for violence at least once more before the year is out!!!
any takers???
I don't really care what he does in prison, so long as he's there he isn't assaulting members of the public.
Also think of it in these terms. Police solve, give or take, 10% of crimes reported, and not all crimes are reported. The article describes Black as having 22 convictions over 7 years for drinking and violence. Let's conservatively say that 3 of his previous convictions are for violence and the rest for drunken yobbery. That would make, as a rule of thumb, 30 people he has assaulted discounting those who didn't report it and a further 190 instances of drunken yobbery. If you try to factor in incidents that were never reported then the numbers are mind blowing, and create a very clear picture of someone with no regard for others and no fear of the law.
Going on his average of 3.5 convictions per year then each year spent in prison should reduce crime by around 35 reported incidents per year and quite possibly more if you care to guess at what isn't reported.
And this is the story of British crime, I am quite convinced. There are tiny numbers of total scumbags who roam around with impunity creating a poisonous atmosphere and dragging impressionable fools along with them.
Remove them from the streets and lock them up for a really long time. 20 years would not be excessive for someone like him. Make an example of him, remove his one man crime wave and make his followers who now no doubt think he's some kind of a hero, see that this sort of behaviour does have consequences and that our justice system does have teeth . Unfortunately this incident has shown them the exact opposite, that neither is true.
Also think of it in these terms. Police solve, give or take, 10% of crimes reported, and not all crimes are reported. The article describes Black as having 22 convictions over 7 years for drinking and violence. Let's conservatively say that 3 of his previous convictions are for violence and the rest for drunken yobbery. That would make, as a rule of thumb, 30 people he has assaulted discounting those who didn't report it and a further 190 instances of drunken yobbery. If you try to factor in incidents that were never reported then the numbers are mind blowing, and create a very clear picture of someone with no regard for others and no fear of the law.
Going on his average of 3.5 convictions per year then each year spent in prison should reduce crime by around 35 reported incidents per year and quite possibly more if you care to guess at what isn't reported.
And this is the story of British crime, I am quite convinced. There are tiny numbers of total scumbags who roam around with impunity creating a poisonous atmosphere and dragging impressionable fools along with them.
Remove them from the streets and lock them up for a really long time. 20 years would not be excessive for someone like him. Make an example of him, remove his one man crime wave and make his followers who now no doubt think he's some kind of a hero, see that this sort of behaviour does have consequences and that our justice system does have teeth . Unfortunately this incident has shown them the exact opposite, that neither is true.
AJS- said:
I read this and was wondering what do you actually have to do to go to prison in the UK? It seems speeding, TV licence evasion will do it, and of course saying the wrong thing on Twitter or Facebook can too. So why not a savage beating that causes someone to die? It's a f
king joke.
This continually happening is what starts vigilante groups to start up.king joke.This lady murdered her mother in 2005 was treated and let out in the community
in 2011 she attacked two people in an unprovoked attack.
1 person is dead because somebody thought treatment works well enough to risk all our lives. Instead of keeping somebody who is troubled away from us.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-209463...
20 or so years ago I still remember the Dr doing an interview on TV justifying why he declared a woman safe to be let out who subsequently murdered a young girl in the old arndale center. He was totally unrepentant and said he would do it again.
That same woman earlier in the week jumped on the woman stood in front of my partner in a queue. She was well known to the police and attacked people regularly.
in 2011 she attacked two people in an unprovoked attack.
1 person is dead because somebody thought treatment works well enough to risk all our lives. Instead of keeping somebody who is troubled away from us.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-209463...
20 or so years ago I still remember the Dr doing an interview on TV justifying why he declared a woman safe to be let out who subsequently murdered a young girl in the old arndale center. He was totally unrepentant and said he would do it again.
That same woman earlier in the week jumped on the woman stood in front of my partner in a queue. She was well known to the police and attacked people regularly.
Pesty said:
This lady murdered her mother in 2005 was treated and let out in the community
in 2011 she attacked two people in an unprovoked attack.
1 person is dead because somebody thought treatment works well enough to risk all our lives. Instead of keeping somebody who is troubled away from us.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-209463...
20 or so years ago I still remember the Dr doing an interview on TV justifying why he declared a woman safe to be let out who subsequently murdered a young girl in the old arndale center. He was totally unrepentant and said he would do it again.
That same woman earlier in the week jumped on the woman stood in front of my partner in a queue. She was well known to the police and attacked people regularly.
Good grief.in 2011 she attacked two people in an unprovoked attack.
1 person is dead because somebody thought treatment works well enough to risk all our lives. Instead of keeping somebody who is troubled away from us.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-209463...
20 or so years ago I still remember the Dr doing an interview on TV justifying why he declared a woman safe to be let out who subsequently murdered a young girl in the old arndale center. He was totally unrepentant and said he would do it again.
That same woman earlier in the week jumped on the woman stood in front of my partner in a queue. She was well known to the police and attacked people regularly.
40 killings a year by care in the community patients according to this.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-342494/Car...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-342494/Car...
AJS- said:
Worst by what measure?
According to this the US is significantly less crime ridden than the UK in several important ways, and has been falling for many years.
Well, the important things I see there are that the US has 25 times more prisoners and 58 times more youth murders (it doesn't have overall murders). They probably have less muggings because everyone's in fAccording to this the US is significantly less crime ridden than the UK in several important ways, and has been falling for many years.
king prison already.BJG1 said:
Well, the important things I see there are that the US has 25 times more prisoners and 58 times more youth murders (it doesn't have overall murders). They probably have less muggings because everyone's in fking prison already.
Well that is the idea of putting muggers and potential muggers in prison. king prison already.America's astronomical murder rate is a complex thing which in my view owes more to it's history and demographics than any criminal justice policies.
On another thread where it had drifted off topic into sentencing I raised an example of similar situation to that in OP, in that case a serial burglar convicted of aggravated burglary with a weapon ( a handgun btw) which should have meant an automatic custodial being given a community sentence, despite an armful of previous, suspended sentences outstanding and various community orders not attended.
In response I got
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ignoring ye olde burglars receiving community orders cliche,...
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Some people just have not got a clue.
In response I got
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ignoring ye olde burglars receiving community orders cliche,...
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Some people just have not got a clue.
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